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Mike Richards III (Cleared waivers 1/27/15)

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CandianKingsFan14 said:
If Calgary has interest in Richards would this deal work?

To Calgary
Richards
King

To LA
D. Jones
Smid

Jones contract is 4mil for one more season.
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Jones has been playing with some fire lately and he's the only power forward we have right now. He's not going anywhere.

From Calgarypuck seems like this is where people are at;

Richards + a first for Mason Raymond or Stajan.

Possibly with 20% retained as well. That is just a horrendous contract that Richards has.
 
DJJones said:
Jones has been playing with some fire lately and he's the only power forward we have right now. He's not going anywhere.

From Calgarypuck seems like this is where people are at;

Richards + a first for Mason Raymond or Stajan.

Possibly with 20% retained as well. That is just a horrendous contract that Richards has.
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I don't think I'd do it but it's probably fair. I think the Kings at this point are better off praying Richards recovers some value by the offseason...but I doubt they'll find much better than what you've proposed at this time. I just can't see DL eating a first AND salary AND taking on two reclamation projects, pick two--a high pick, salary eaten, bad contract in return--and that's what we'll probably be shopping for if it's at this time. Just my two cents...I think that's why we waived him.
 
Weird question--COULD the Kings buy Richards out then re-sign him for league minimum?

Not advocating this just a thought I had when reading spector re: buyout
 
Brad Doty said:
Weird question--COULD the Kings buy Richards out then re-sign him for league minimum?

Not advocating this just a thought I had when reading spector re: buyout
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No,

The CBA has rules against that. The Kings would have to wait an entire calender year, to resign Richards.
 
damacles1156 said:
No,

The CBA has rules against that. The Kings would have to wait an entire calender year, to resign Richards.
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Ok yeah that's what I thought, re: the BRAD Richards situation.

Never mind the fact that it's a huge lump sum, I don't see the Kings paying Richards that much to play for someone else.
 
Jason Lewis said:
I posed this question on twitter and on Hockeybuzz.

Take contracts out of the equation, rate the following players in order:

Richards, Stoll, King, Clifford, Andreoff, Nolan, Lewis (not my order just listing them)
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Richards, Lewis/Stoll, King, Andreoff, Clifford and Nolan about 20 lengths back. Which is why (I'm a Richards fan) I'm so baffled by this. To save what, about a million dollars in cap space, Mike Richards is so bad that he can be instantly replaced by a farm hand or one of the guys listed above? Hell, there's many games where I'd put Richards ahead of Williams, Gaborik and Brown. But, as I've said many times, Sutter has his favorites (Stoll and King come to mind) and his not favorites (Richards) and MR was continually put in position to fail, not succeed. He could have been placed at wing occasionally, gotten more power play time and increased his TOI simply to build confidence, if nothing else. But frankly, Sutter hung him out to dry and we see the result.
Hopefully, MR will find a good place on a contending team and the Kings better hope so. Because this contract is going to hang on them as long as Mike Richards plays, even if its another 5 years in the AHL.
 
Jason Lewis said:
I posed this question on twitter and on Hockeybuzz.

Take contracts out of the equation, rate the following players in order:

Richards, Stoll, King, Clifford, Andreoff, Nolan, Lewis (not my order just listing them)
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Easy.

Lewis
King

Stoll

Clifford Richards


Nolan Andreoff

DJJones said:
Jones has been playing with some fire lately and he's the only power forward we have right now. He's not going anywhere.

From Calgarypuck seems like this is where people are at;

Richards + a first for Mason Raymond or Stajan.

Possibly with 20% retained as well. That is just a horrendous contract that Richards has.
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I'd do Richards and one of Prohorkin, Kempe or Zykov for Raymond or Smid or Stajan.
 
Jason Lewis said:
I posed this question on twitter and on Hockeybuzz.

Take contracts out of the equation, rate the following players in order:

Richards, Stoll, King, Clifford, Andreoff, Nolan, Lewis (not my order just listing them)
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You can't take contracts out of the equation. It is the equation in a cap era system.

moosehead81 said:
Richards, Lewis/Stoll, King, Andreoff, Clifford and Nolan about 20 lengths back. Which is why (I'm a Richards fan) I'm so baffled by this. To save what, about a million dollars in cap space, Mike Richards is so bad that he can be instantly replaced by a farm hand or one of the guys listed above? Hell, there's many games where I'd put Richards ahead of Williams, Gaborik and Brown. But, as I've said many times, Sutter has his favorites (Stoll and King come to mind) and his not favorites (Richards) and MR was continually put in position to fail, not succeed. He could have been placed at wing occasionally, gotten more power play time and increased his TOI simply to build confidence, if nothing else. But frankly, Sutter hung him out to dry and we see the result.
Hopefully, MR will find a good place on a contending team and the Kings better hope so. Because this contract is going to hang on them as long as Mike Richards plays, even if its another 5 years in the AHL.
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It's not even close to 1M saved. The team gets 925K saved but then you add in the league min of 550K, to be honest haven't looked if we have a player there to bring up, we end up with 375K saved.
But I think it is all about seeing if playing more will actually get his confidence back. I think it is mental right now. If I'm wrong this will be a train wreck. But if it is mental and playing more fixes it. This could be a big win in the long run.
 
tsanuri said:
But I think it is all about seeing if playing more will actually get his confidence back. I think it is mental right now. If I'm wrong this will be a train wreck. But if it is mental and playing more fixes it. This could be a big win in the long run.
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I hope you're right but somehow I don't think you'll see MR in a Kings jersey again.
 
Jason Lewis said:
I posed this question on twitter and on Hockeybuzz.

Take contracts out of the equation, rate the following players in order:

Richards, Stoll, King, Clifford, Andreoff, Nolan, Lewis (not my order just listing them)
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Lewis
Richards
Stoll
Clifford
King

Nolan



Andreoff
 
tsanuri said:
You can't take contracts out of the equation. It is the equation in a cap era system.

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Correct, and I agree with you.

I've seen a lot of people dumping on the guy (not on here really) and my point in it was that Richards is probably not (in my opinion that is) a minor league level player. He's a legit bottom 6 player on most if not ALL of the NHL teams out there.

It wasn't necessarily ALL on his level of play. Decline is a natural part of the game. A lot of it has to do, as you said, him falling victim to the cap era system. There is a large part of it that is definitely still on him for not playing up to standards, or at least close to that of his contract. But as far as him being of below NHL caliber play, not even close. The guy still would cut it on numerous teams. Just not for 5.5 a year.

That's a really tough thing to have to rationalize in many regards. He is good enough to play in the NHL, but the business side and the monetary side are going to keep him from it (Along with his dip in performance).
 
Jason Lewis said:
Correct, and I agree with you.

I've seen a lot of people dumping on the guy (not on here really) and my point in it was that Richards is probably not (in my opinion that is) a minor league level player. He's a legit bottom 6 player on most if not ALL of the NHL teams out there.

It wasn't necessarily ALL on his level of play. Decline is a natural part of the game. A lot of it has to do, as you said, him falling victim to the cap era system. There is a large part of it that is definitely still on him for not playing up to standards, or at least close to that of his contract. But as far as him being of below NHL caliber play, not even close. The guy still would cut it on numerous teams. Just not for 5.5 a year.
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Agree with that. Lots of people going LOL he's a minor leaguer which he technically is but the reason he's not in the NHL has more to do with moving his contract.
 
Brad Doty said:
Agree with that. Lots of people going LOL he's a minor leaguer which he technically is but the reason he's not in the NHL has more to do with moving his contract.
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Yea exactly. That's the saddest part about it. If natural decline or injury has anything to do with his downfall, that's exceptionally harsh. Because what is he supposed to do? You play the game best you can but you can't get out from underneath a huge contract that is hemorrhaging your team.

Now, was he playing 100%? I'll let all of you speculate on that one heh
 
If Richards puts up at least a point per game in the AHL then we know he can still play and that Sutter isn't playing him properly. Im hoping he finds his game and comes back to help the team.
 
Brad Doty said:
Agree with that. Lots of people going LOL he's a minor leaguer which he technically is but the reason he's not in the NHL has more to do with moving his contract.
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My question is how do you move his contract by having him play in the AHL where the Kings still essentially eat the cap hit? Does he become more valuable and moveable when he eats up the opposition there (or not)? If it was the Redden situation where the Rangers eliminated the cap hit by demoting him, I could understand the move on MR. But this essentially says "guy, you're no better than what we have on the team currently (including Nolan et al) and a couple of call-ups we can get". Makes no sense to me but what do I know.
 
moosehead81 said:
My question is how do you move his contract by having him play in the AHL where the Kings still essentially eat the cap hit? Does he become more valuable and moveable when he eats up the opposition there (or not)? If it was the Redden situation where the Rangers eliminated the cap hit by demoting him, I could understand the move on MR. But this essentially says "guy, you're no better than what we have on the team currently (including Nolan et al) and a couple of call-ups we can get". Makes no sense to me but what do I know.
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Well, it obviously served the purpose to see if anyone would pick him up as well, but Sutter/DL are obviously sending a distinct message to see if he gets it. It's a calculated gamble. Hell, we and he could end up in a worse position than now if he sucks at the AHL level, but I think they're banking on him regaining some value to either keep or move. If he does worse, we're boned anyway.
 
Jason Lewis said:
Correct, and I agree with you.

I've seen a lot of people dumping on the guy (not on here really) and my point in it was that Richards is probably not (in my opinion that is) a minor league level player. He's a legit bottom 6 player on most if not ALL of the NHL teams out there.

It wasn't necessarily ALL on his level of play. Decline is a natural part of the game. A lot of it has to do, as you said, him falling victim to the cap era system. There is a large part of it that is definitely still on him for not playing up to standards, or at least close to that of his contract. But as far as him being of below NHL caliber play, not even close. The guy still would cut it on numerous teams. Just not for 5.5 a year.

That's a really tough thing to have to rationalize in many regards. He is good enough to play in the NHL, but the business side and the monetary side are going to keep him from it (Along with his dip in performance).
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If he was even making the same money as Stoll, which would drop 2.5M a year off. He would still be overpaid for what he is doing on the ice. But I would almost guarantee a team would take the risk on him. Heck the Kings might not even be worried at that point either.
 
CandianKingsFan14 said:
If Richards puts up at least a point per game in the AHL then we know he can still play and that Sutter isn't playing him properly. Im hoping he finds his game and comes back to help the team.
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Jonathan Cheechoo wasnt far off from being a point per game player in the ahl... It doesn't necessarily translate
 
moosehead81 said:
My question is how do you move his contract by having him play in the AHL where the Kings still essentially eat the cap hit? Does he become more valuable and moveable when he eats up the opposition there (or not)? If it was the Redden situation where the Rangers eliminated the cap hit by demoting him, I could understand the move on MR. But this essentially says "guy, you're no better than what we have on the team currently (including Nolan et al) and a couple of call-ups we can get". Makes no sense to me but what do I know.
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It only works if it was something mental or he was just not in as good of shape as he should have been. If it is one of those and playing more and hopefully scoring more should increase his value. That is if they bring him back up and he starts to put up better numbers at the NHL level.
 
count me among the few that still have faith in Rick. hopefully he gains some confidence in the AHL and comes back to the NHL firing on all cylinders. I cannot for the life of me believe, for one second, that this is all he's got. the dude is only 29 ffs. GET IT TOGETHER MIKE!
 
Perro said:
pretty much how I see it. Could maybe put Stoll and richards on the same line.
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Richards and Stoll have arguably been interchangeable this whole year in my opinion. Level of play, role, and numbers have been similar save for some smaller things like Stoll's faceoffs and such.
 
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