Mike Reilly, free agent coming out of college (Signing in Minnesota)

[Ron*]

You do understand there is a difference between being handed a roster spot and being expected to win one right?

Like when Toffoli was expected to be on the opening day roster 2 years ago, and had a "poor" camp and had to start in Manch...

I think I just said exactly that. Did you not read the entire post?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I think I just said exactly that. Did you not read the entire post?

You suggested Doughty was handed a spot. I provided evidence that suggested he had to battle for it just like everyone else. We can disagree over that if you want, because it seems like you're saying the open spot was lip service, i.e. were we REALLY going to send him back?

I'd also say it's a little different scenario in terms of open spots when a #2 overall draft pick walks onto a crappy roster vs. a UFA comes onto a two-time champion roster, as well.

Edit: from the article you quoted: "For his part, Lombardi was asked if he expected the dynamic Doughty would be in the Kings' season-opening lineup in October. "Expect? No," Lombardi said. "Does he have a chance? Yes."" Are we arguing semantics?

 

[Ron*]

You suggested Doughty was handed a spot. I provided evidence that suggested he had to battle for it just like everyone else. We can disagree over that if you want, because it seems like you're saying the open spot was lip service, i.e. were we REALLY going to send him back?

Yup.

I'd also say it's a little different scenario in terms of open spots when a #2 overall draft pick walks onto a crappy roster vs. a UFA comes onto a two-time champion roster, as well.

Edit: from the article you quoted: "For his part, Lombardi was asked if he expected the dynamic Doughty would be in the Kings' season-opening lineup in October. "Expect? No," Lombardi said. "Does he have a chance? Yes."" Are we arguing semantics?

Yup.

More lip service. Read between the lines, he was NEVER going to be sent down. Never. Ever.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Of course he wasn't. Most realized he would become a generational player that would single-handedly change a franchise.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Of course he wasn't. Most realized he would become a generational player that would single-handedly change a franchise.

Well absolutely. I'd be foolish to argue against that at all.

Even if I concede that Doughty was handed a spot, do we not see a difference between a generational defenseman walking onto a ****** team and Mike Reilly walking on to a two-time champion team? Or are we just splitting hairs because Ron wants to bust my balls for saying DL doesn't hand people spots?

 

[kingsfan]

You get real.

All of what you just wrote is bull ****. Of course he offered him a roster spot. Just like all the other teams did. That's the only reason why the Kings are only one of four (probably just two) teams left on Reilly's radar.

: You just somehow know LA offered him a roster spot? What if no team offered him a roster spot? Chicago and LA built their teams for success, bribing some kid out of college with a roster spot seems like something a team like Edmonton would do, not cup champs. Who says any team offered him a roster spot? But you just KNOW he was offered one. Show us a link Ron, you call for links from everyone else. Prove he got offered a roster spot.

Reilly is at best barely any better than Forbort and no one would consider guaranteeing him a roster spot, and he's actually been in the Kings system for years. But let's just pave the way for Reilly.

I also love how the only reply you got for someone getting a guaranteed roster spot is Doughty, a 2nd overall pick who is a Norris candidate and made Team Canada at 20. Yeah, really comparable to the Reilly situation.

The Kings did promise Piskula some NHL games.

Yep, which is quite frequent at the end of the year, and tends to only be from non-playoff bound teams that are just giving a kid a look. Much different from guaranteeing a guy a roster spot out of camp.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Well absolutely. I'd be foolish to argue against that at all.

Even if I concede that Doughty was handed a spot, do we not see a difference between a generational defenseman walking onto a ****** team and Mike Reilly walking on to a two-time champion team? Or are we just splitting hairs because Ron wants to bust my balls for saying DL doesn't hand people spots?

The latter.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The latter.

I figured!

Reilly is at best barely any better than Forbort and no one would consider guaranteeing him a roster spot, and he's actually been in the Kings system for years. But let's just pave the way for Reilly.

Yep, which is quite frequent at the end of the year, and tends to only be from non-playoff bound teams that are just giving a kid a look. Much different from guaranteeing a guy a roster spot out of camp.

I agree, but he's very different from Forbort, and not sure we have another guy like that in the system (maybe Miller).

And agreed on the games. I could see us promising to give him a look, as it's a one way contract anyway IIRC, but to just hand him a permanent spot, there's no friggin way.

 

[King'sPawn]

You get real.

All of what you just wrote is bull ****. Of course he offered him a roster spot. Just like all the other teams did. That's the only reason why the Kings are only one of four (probably just two) teams left on Reilly's radar.

The Kings may not have offered him a roster spot. Maybe they offered him a signing bonus for a ridiculously easy to attain bonus. It's how the Kings were able to lure Joe Piskula over other teams. They paid him a bonus for just playing 5 NHL games.

Reilly could very well just be offered a nice bonus for playing a game, then gets sent to the AHL.

 

[Ron*]

Well absolutely. I'd be foolish to argue against that at all.

Even if I concede that Doughty was handed a spot, do we not see a difference between a generational defenseman walking onto a ****** team and Mike Reilly walking on to a two-time champion team? Or are we just splitting hairs because Ron wants to bust my balls for saying DL doesn't hand people spots?

The latter.

 

[Ron*]

: You just somehow know LA offered him a roster spot? What if no team offered him a roster spot? Chicago and LA built their teams for success, bribing some kid out of college with a roster spot seems like something a team like Edmonton would do, not cup champs. Who says any team offered him a roster spot? But you just KNOW he was offered one. Show us a link Ron, you call for links from everyone else. Prove he got offered a roster spot.

Reilly is at best barely any better than Forbort and no one would consider guaranteeing him a roster spot, and he's actually been in the Kings system for years. But let's just pave the way for Reilly.

I also love how the only reply you got for someone getting a guaranteed roster spot is Doughty, a 2nd overall pick who is a Norris candidate and made Team Canada at 20. Yeah, really comparable to the Reilly situation.

Relax, man. You are always so wound up. What's the matter with you?

It's my opinion, delivered forcefully. Of course there is no link. These are private conversations, how in the **** would I know what was said in them? No one knows right now, but I believe as things play out, you will see him in a starting lineup on CHI or LAK to begin the season.

Remember, it isn't just Cup winners (reportedly) in on the mix. We know how MIN operates, and so does DL. He can figure out how hare he needs to go to compete with crazy MIN and don't forget, crazy PIT was (reportedly) in the mix too.

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[Ron*]

The Kings may not have offered him a roster spot. Maybe they offered him a signing bonus for a ridiculously easy to attain bonus. It's how the Kings were able to lure Joe Piskula over other teams. They paid him a bonus for just playing 5 NHL games.

Reilly could very well just be offered a nice bonus for playing a game, then gets sent to the AHL.

Maybe, but remember this guy has Pat Brisson as his agent. Brisson is going to wink and nod with the GMs his client favors, and is going to also let them know what it's going to take to be in the running.

So I am just deducing that if crazy MIN is involved, then they upped the ante with this prospect by offering him a roster spot. Which means all the other teams had to in order to compete.

Anyway, we shall see in just a few months if my prediction came true. But I agree with the SI article below that we could very well be seeing him in an opening day lineup come October.

http://www.si.com/nhl/2015/06/18/ch...es-to-sign-college-free-mike-reilly-minnesota

 

[LAKings88]

Midnight Run is one of my all time favorite movies.

 

[Ron*]

Midnight Run is one of my all time favorite movies.

Mine too. A little Sunday morning levity:

 

[bob77]

So because the Kings are interested in a free prospect he's suddenly worth more than Forbort/Miller or he's automatically NHL ready?

Get real. The Kings have signed a bunch of these guys over the years, from Moulson and Muzzin to Purcell and O'Neill and Piskula. How many were ever promised a spot on the roster the next year? None. DL isn't going to say you've got the spot. Not one thing that's happened suggests that either. All we know is the Kings like the kid and have likely made him an offer. That's it.

Take HF's rankings. Reilly is a 7.0 C, Forbort is a 7.0 D and Miller is a 6.5 C. For the Hockey News, Reilly was the Blue Jackets 7th ranked prospect, Forbort was the Kings 4th ranked and Miller was 6th. Obviously, Reilly isn't necessarily better than Forbort or Miller and if he is it isn't by much.

The best DL is going to offer him is a shot to compete for a roster spot in camp. He isn't giving him ****.

Exactly!!!!

 

[Herby]

Maybe being handed a roster spot is a poor choice of words. What I took exception to was the thought that he wouldn't make the team over Forbort and Miller because those guys have somehow paid their dues and he hasn't. This is the NHL, the best players play, whether you have been with the team six days or six years.

 

[Ron*]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-trade-talk-beginning-to-heat-up/

This little tidbit actually supports BD and kingsfan's positions, and puts a dent in mine (at first blush):

19. College UFA Mike Reilly shortened his list, although the exact teams are uncertain. Most think it’s Chicago, Los Angeles and Minnesota. A couple clubs wondered about Pittsburgh. Reilly does train with Andy O’Brien, and the defenceman talked with another of O’Brien’s clients, Sidney Crosby, when the two crossed paths in California. The Kings may not offer as clear a path to the NHL as the others. One source said Reilly’s history with Edmonton CEO Bob Nicholson (and the defensive issues there) kept them in it longer than expected, but the odds were not in their favour.

So, let's say DL didn't offer him a roster spot, just kind of hinted at it? Why are the Kings still in the running? Is it because Reilly really wants to play here? Despite the non-guarantee?

Interesting point to ponder.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-trade-talk-beginning-to-heat-up/

This little tidbit actually supports BD and kingsfan's positions, and puts a dent in mine (at first blush):



So, let's say DL didn't offer him a roster spot, just kind of hinted at it? Why are the Kings still in the running? Is it because Reilly really wants to play here? Despite the non-guarantee?

Interesting point to ponder.

I think it's clear that he wants to play for a contender's organization, and with LA/Chicago at least, a team with a great development team in case he DOESNT make the NHL this season. Location can play a part, and crossing paths with a bunch of players spending the summer in California makes life seem good, I'm sure! I've said before I don't see what we can offer him that Chicago can't and he has no ties here like he does Minny and Chicago (other than Brisson to Luc and Blake et. a.), so I too am curious what the holdup is...unless this is ALL leverage by Brisson for Chicago all along and all his buddies in LA decided to try to up the price in any way possible

 

[LAKings88]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-trade-talk-beginning-to-heat-up/

This little tidbit actually supports BD and kingsfan's positions, and puts a dent in mine (at first blush):



So, let's say DL didn't offer him a roster spot, just kind of hinted at it? Why are the Kings still in the running? Is it because Reilly really wants to play here? Despite the non-guarantee?

Interesting point to ponder.

I stand corrected. Still hope they can sign him but I think it is highly unlikely.

 

[BigBrown]

Just let everybody know you'll be signing with Chicago already, I can't think of a single good reason why he shouldn't go there. Best team in the league wants you on their opening night roster, what's there to think about?

 

[bob77]

You get real.

All of what you just wrote is bull ****. Of course he offered him a roster spot. Just like all the other teams did. That's the only reason why the Kings are only one of four (probably just two) teams left on Reilly's radar.

I'm telling you it ain't offered in his contract!! It's the wink, nod, gentlemen's agreement, handshake, etc. but it ain't in writing!!

 

[Mattias]

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

If the 2015 Stanley cup champion team is promising an immediate spot on the team, I take that 7 days a week over a 'potential' spot on a team that missed the playoffs.

 

[bob77]

Tell me you are not serious.

According to the wiki article below, Doughty was one of eight 18-year-olds to make the opening day roster that season. He was picked second overall.

Seriously? The Kings are going to send Doughty down to the OHL to start the season, in which he was drafted 2nd overall, and 7 other 18-year-olds are going to start above him in the league, including 6 of those guys being drafted below him?

Right. Unless he absolutely bombed in training camp, no way that happens. Come on now. Bring it better than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Doughty

I agree with what you've said, but his tryout if you want to call it that extended 9 games into the season, at which point a team has to decide whether to send the kid back to juniors!! He passes his tryout!!

 

[bob77]

I think it's clear that he wants to play for a contender's organization, and with LA/Chicago at least, a team with a great development team in case he DOESNT make the NHL this season. Location can play a part, and crossing paths with a bunch of players spending the summer in California makes life seem good, I'm sure! I've said before I don't see what we can offer him that Chicago can't and he has no ties here like he does Minny and Chicago (other than Brisson to Luc and Blake et. a.), so I too am curious what the holdup is...unless this is ALL leverage by Brisson for Chicago all along and all his buddies in LA decided to try to up the price in any way possible

The no ties thing could be a good thing! Possibly!! Some kids think if the pressure that might be imposed if he were constantly around family and friend playing in MN or Chicago.

 

[Ron*]

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

If the 2015 Stanley cup champion team is promising an immediate spot on the team, I take that 7 days a week over a 'potential' spot on a team that missed the playoffs.

That's my whole point.

What's the holdup? Why not announce it now?

Something fishy is going on. Or the guy is just an attention-*****.