2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[LetsGoBooze]

Chances that Army asks Buch to waive his NTC before his new deal kicks in is very, very, very low. Chances he asks him to do it for a Ratanen deal this year is zero. Carolina just gave up major assets for Rat, theyre not gonna move him before the offseason, and thats only if he refuses to sign there.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

32 thoughts.

Friedman mentioned that the blues are willing to listen, make them an offer.

They have supposedly told teams interested in Schenn that they don't have what they would want. That's only to some.

 

[StlBigFly]

Blues get a ton of time on 32 thoughts at the 30 min mark.

Vegas is his guess for Schenn. I’m going to stare at their prospects and cap structure instead of working for a bit.

 

[Beauterham]

They have supposedly told teams interested in Schenn that they don't have what they would want. That's only to some.

I don't understand. Army told teams interested in Schenn they don't have assets that interest the Blues? And what do you mean with 'that's only to some'?

 

[bleedblue1223]

Blues get a ton of time on 32 thoughts at the 30 min mark.

Vegas is his guess for Schenn. I’m going to stare at their prospects and cap structure instead of working for a bit.

I'd want Korczak.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

I don't understand. Army told teams interested in Schenn they don't have assets that interest the Blues? And what do you mean with 'that's only to some'?

i took it as: The teams the have inquired thus far, didnt have the assets that we covet. And then him alluding to other buyers would be better matches for us.

 

[A Real Barn Burner]

Chances that Army asks Buch to waive his NTC before his new deal kicks in is very, very, very low. Chances he asks him to do it for a Ratanen deal this year is zero. Carolina just gave up major assets for Rat, theyre not gonna move him before the offseason, and thats only if he refuses to sign there.

I said I don’t believe Army would ask Buch to waive and I agree with you it is an extremely low chance but if there ever was a reason to trade Buch and possibly anger him over asking him to waive his NTC it would be for Rantanen. The haul in futures would be worth it.

Why he wasn’t a sign and trade to begin with is crazy, and until he signs with Carolina speculation on what they will do if he doesn’t is warranted. If you are Carolina and he isn’t signed by the deadline are you really gonna let him walk in FA come July?

As for trading his rights before the offseason, you might get a third-round pick in exchange. This would allow whatever team he signs with to sign him to an 8-year contract. Guentzel walked, and once bitten twice shy is how the saying goes. If you don’t have him signed by the trade deadline, it’s a significant risk with a bunch of assets going in to one playoff run.

 

[Majorityof1]

i took it as: The teams the have inquired thus far, didnt have the assets that we covet. And then him alluding to other buyers would be better matches for us.

I read that the same. That to me means we are looking at near-ready prospects/NHL players. A draft pick is a draft pick. They are different value based on where in the draft they fall, but a later draft pick is not a fit issue.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

I read that the same. That to me means we are looking at near-ready prospects/NHL players. A draft pick is a draft pick. They are different value based on where in the draft they fall, but a later draft pick is not a fit issue.

I think this is very smart for our re-tool. On top of the fact that the late 2025 1st draft pool doesn't look great, it makes a ton of sense to get a prospect that is a year or two closer to the NHL. Could help get this team back to competitive hockey a bit faster.

 

[Spektre]

I'd want Korczak.

Why?

 

[TheOrganist]

When Friedman reported that I thought "how in the hell can Vegas afford Schenn" but they will have roughly $18 mil in Cap space next year...though they have two pending UFA goalies and will need to budget for Eichel's raise coming the following year. Seems like the Schenn would be a luxury for Vegas and not a necessity by any means. Nick Hauge is a guy I always liked and would add some snarl to the blueline if Armstrong wants to make a "hockey trade" but he'll be a UFA year after next. Not to mention Vegas has a mediocre farm system and not many premium picks. I don't see it at all.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Why?

He's young, good size, skates pretty well, he fits on the right-side, has good underlying numbers. He'd immediately upgrade our 2nd PK unit and would compliment most of our LD that tend to be slightly more offensive and puck-movers.

 

[kimzey59]

Blues get a ton of time on 32 thoughts at the 30 min mark.

Vegas is his guess for Schenn. I’m going to stare at their prospects and cap structure instead of working for a bit.

Don't bother.
Their prospect pool is empty and they're short on draft picks. Even if they could make the Cap work(theoretically they could), they don't have what it would take to put a worthwhile package together IMO.

LA, on the other hand, could absolutely put a good package together(start with Brandt Clarke); but it would require some Cap gymnastics to make it work.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I'd be shocked, but impressed if Army can pull off an Erat for Forsberg type trade.

 

[Spektre]

He's young, good size, skates pretty well, he fits on the right-side, has good underlying numbers. He'd immediately upgrade our 2nd PK unit and would compliment most of our LD that tend to be slightly more offensive and puck-movers.

I have hardly seen him play but he's been scratched like 20 games for Vegas.

Just glancing at the Vegas roster I don't see the fit that Friedman sees.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

Why?

I think I’d ask for Alexander Holtz with him.

 

[ToastedRavioli]

I'm curious what people think we could get in value for the following players. Not necessarily specific packages from a specific team but just general value if we traded them this deadline, with or without retention.

Brayden Schenn
Justin Faulk
Radek Faksa
Mathieu Joseph
Ryan Suter
Nick Leddy

I think Joseph is basically valueless atm. I think Suter and Faksa could each get as high as a 3rd if we find a suitable contender (Faksa would likely need 50% retention). I think Leddy is a wildcard with his injury but if he shows he still can play at a high level I could actually see a potential late 2nd if we trade him this year or next. That's a big if though. Schenn is the one who sounds like he could get an actual good return, which is somewhat surprising given his contract. I feel like if we are stubborn on getting a mammoth haul as some insiders have said, retention almost seems unavoidable, which I'm not sure the Blues could stomach given his term. I don't know Faulk's value on the market.

 

[Stealth JD]

Just deal Schenn to the highest bidder. If that’s a late 1st, so be it. If that’s a 5th in 2039, fine. The cliff is coming.

Any guy not in the plans for ‘26-‘27 should be available. Suter, Faulk, Joseph, Faksa, Toropchenko, Leddy, Fowler…the time to sell is NOW.

 

[Spektre]

I wouldn't deal Schenn just to deal him. Ideally, I think he's a good 3c, just overpriced.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Someone like Roy from Vegas would be appealing. Maybe add Sapylov and a 2nd and we might be close. Would be surprised if Army wants just picks.

 

[TruBlueFan1970]

Absolutely love the trade deadline and the discussions, but I just don’t see it. Feels eerily similar to last season, when Army asked for a mammoth return on Buch and then ended up getting stuck with him. We had a huge build up and then did nothing at the deadline. Have a feeling it’s Groundhog Day, with Schenn the new Buch.

Guessing we see a couple minor deals involving Faksa and maybe Suter. Then sit back and see how the summer plays out, which was quite exciting last year.

 

[Majorityof1]

Do you all expect moves to be made during the break? There is no roster freeze so trades are allowed. There is 12 days off for the tourney followed by 13 more days leading up to the deadline. A lot of GMs can head to the tourney and have some face-to-face convos before the TDL.

The only players we have going are Parayko and Binner, who are not likely to be traded, so there is no worry of distracting them during the event. Trading a player during the break would actually give them a bit of time to make arrangements. Unlike Fowler who played the same day as his flight.

 

[SirPaste]

Do you all expect moves to be made during the break? There is no roster freeze so trades are allowed. There is 12 days off for the torney followed by 13 more days leading up to the deadline. A lot of GMs can head to the tourney and have some face-to-face convos before the TDL.

The only players we have going are Parayko and Binner, who are not likely to be traded, so there is no worry of distracting them during the event. Trading a player during the break would actually give them a bit if time to make arrangements. Unlike Fowler who played the same say as hus flight

Nah, there isn't technically an official roster freeze but it sure seems like everyone was treating it that way. Bettman and those in charge aren't gonna want any distractions from their new baby tournament. As you mentioned I bet GM's will be there and discussing things face to face but I would be pretty surprised if they didn't wait till it was over to make anything official.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I do think we see moves, I don't think I expect us to be involved though. I do think Army has probably settled that we are a sell team this year, we also don't have many players to sell hard on like we did with O'Reilly, Tarasenko, and Barbashev. We'll look to move Suter and Faksa, but those are guys we don't really need to move early, they'll get what they get. Maybe guys like Sunny or Toropchenko have some worth if teams like the extra year for their 4th line.

 

[StlBigFly]

Do you all expect moves to be made during the break? There is no roster freeze so trades are allowed. There is 12 days off for the tourney followed by 13 more days leading up to the deadline. A lot of GMs can head to the tourney and have some face-to-face convos before the TDL.

The only players we have going are Parayko and Binner, who are not likely to be traded, so there is no worry of distracting them during the event. Trading a player during the break would actually give them a bit of time to make arrangements. Unlike Fowler who played the same day as his flight.

I think the biggest thing about the situation is that the daily cap is accruing each day regardless of the tournament causing a pause in nhl games.

Due to this; any trade you’d make you’d unnecessarily put on your cap without being able to use the player for however long the break is. Any team that cares about its daily cap would care about this.

I’d guess the deals happen at the end, but sometimes the cap doesn’t matter at all, or if there is a hockey trade then it could be a wash, so who knows.