Player Discussion Mike Matheson

[26Mats]

Got to have quality veterans though. They good influence on youth. Takes a mix. If blown away I would trade Matheson or Savard.

Matheson I ask for 2 first. No retention. If they want to send bad contract back will take more. According to how big contract is.

A first and solid prospect I would ask for Savard. Toffoli type return. No retention. If they want retention I would ask for a future 2nd.

Personally, I'd take a first or a really solid prospect for Savard. But I'd want that prospect to be better than Barron, Heineman, etc... i.e. any of the prospects Hughes has traded a vet for so far. Hughes' track record, has been better getting 1sts than with trading for prospects. Dach, Newhook, etc... that he got in trades for picks are better than Barron, Heineman, etc... that he got in trades for vets.

For Matheson, I'd want a D prospect like Bowen Byram when he was going through concussion issues that a team is ready to throw in the towel on for some reason and ready to trade because they're in win now mode. I'd wait to see if a Nieuwendyk for Iginla type of deal ever came along.

 

[HuGort]

Personally, I'd take a first or a really solid prospect for Savard. But I'd want that prospect to be better than Barron, Heineman, etc... i.e. any of the prospects Hughes has traded a vet for so far. Hughes' track record, has been better getting 1sts than with trading for prospects. Dach, Newhook, etc... that he got in trades for picks are better than Barron, Heineman, etc... that he got in trades for vets.

For Matheson, I'd want a D prospect like Bowen Byram when he was going through concussion issues that a team is ready to throw in the towel on for some reason and ready to trade because they're in win now mode. I'd wait to see if a Nieuwendyk for Iginla type of deal ever came along.

No, I pass on those deals. Savard is good for our young players plus he's solid player. Along with another year of control

 

[26Mats]

No, I pass on those deals. Savard is good for our young players plus he's solid player. Along with another year of control

I don't think either Savard or Matheson will be traded this year.
I think 1 or 2 of Kovacevic, Harris, and Barron will be traded by next training camp.
I think Savard will be traded at next year's TDL.

 

[calder candidate]

The team trading for Matheson is getting him for 3 playoff on a great deal, they are saving around 2.5m$ or more vs. a similar D. Also MTL is losing a mentor for their young D core.
good Rental D (Savard/chiarot/ Gagrikov) go for 1st+ very good or younger rental D go for 1st +2x 2nd
How do you value Matheson he isn’t a rental, is cap hit is great, and very helpful to our young D. If you’re getting a 1st + in 2 years how much more do we need to right now to give that mentorship and depth and we are pushing for the playoff in 2 years they might even be looking to buy to make a playoff push…

 

[habbubba]

Really don't get the hate for Matheson, none of the goals against the rangers were on him. If I had to guess, the same crowd would hate PK. Nobody on Montreal can do what Mike brings, until you do, you keep him, and what a bargain when making cap comparisons.

 

[salbutera]

IMO Matheson only moves if HuGo receive an offer they simply can’t refuse (re: overpay), and that doesn’t happen at trade deadline

Really don't get the hate for Matheson, none of the goals against the rangers were on him. If I had to guess, the same crowd would hate PK. Nobody on Montreal can do what Mike brings, until you do, you keep him, and what a bargain when making cap comparisons.

Classic Habs fandom 101, player plays out of position and expectations are he’s supposed to be performing to the position he’s playing

There’s a reason Matheson doesn’t make $8M+… he isn’t a 25TOI 1D

 

[habbubba]

IMO Matheson only moves if HuGo receive an offer they simply can’t refuse (re: overpay), and that doesn’t happen at trade deadline


Classic Habs fandom 101, player plays out of position and expectations are he’s supposed to be performing to the position he’s playing

There’s a reason Matheson doesn’t make $8M+… he isn’t a 25TOI 1D

Nice to see some get that.

 

[26Mats]

No, I pass on those deals. Savard is good for our young players plus he's solid player. Along with another year of control

What a trade the Wild made trading Fiala for a 1st and Brock Faber, who at 21 is receiving Norris trophy consideration. That trade was Pacioretty for Suzuki + esque. That is the type of prospect (whether a forward or a dman) I would love to get for each of Savard and Matheson. But those deals come along once in a blue moon. I would also like to see Hughes use the WPG and CGY 1sts in trades for those types of prospects/young players, especially if they're late 1sts.

Nice to see some get that.

Please, enlighten us: what would Matheson's trade value be if he finishes the year with 60 points (which he's currently on pace to do).

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

It doesnt matter whos the #7. It also doesnt matter if theyre not part of the future, Matheson isnt part of the future either. Leap in logic.

Theres 30 games left to the season and everyone healthy, no reason to believe well have 40-60 games of injuries to cover.

Next year they can sign a cheap vet UFA like Demelo or spend the money on an actual good vet like Pesce, Walker or Roy.

By playing a lot the D core will just be further along at the same time. Xhekaj and Struble need to see reps on the PK if theyre going to be NHL regular, better early than late.

Gostisbehere was coming off a very bad stretch of ~100 games when he got traded and hes a smurf. Matheson for all his faults, is still 6'2 and skates like the wind and has had the best production of his career.

Matter of fact, Gostisbehere is exactly a counter example of why keeping Matheson is a bad idea. When he regresses, hes not gonna be worth a dime. For all the hate I have in my heart for Matheson, hes still a NHL regular, something Gustaffson is not.

Good points but honestly I think his production will take a leap next year as that 1st line really gets cooking. Probably only increasing his value.

I doubt his individual play takes a dive in the next year or two, again the team will likely be better making him look better all in all. Plus he’s a bit of a late bloomer and could even POSSIBLY shore up his weaknesses a tiny bit.

 

[habbubba]

Please, enlighten us: what would Matheson's trade value be if he finishes the year with 60 points (which he's currently on pace to do).

You want me to enlighten? what an undesirable and monumental task that sounds like. I can suggest some literature though.

As per the worth, how can I or anyone know what is going on in any of the 32 GM's head. Only they know what price they affix to an individual and every transaction is unique. It's actually silly and a complete waste of time to even consider or propose such transactions if you ask me, but whatever gets you off I guess, have fun.

 

[Andy]

even with his flaws,what a steal of a trade

 

[Rapala]

Really don't get the hate for Matheson, none of the goals against the rangers were on him. If I had to guess, the same crowd would hate PK. Nobody on Montreal can do what Mike brings, until you do, you keep him, and what a bargain when making cap comparisons.

The hate has tapered off as his play has improved. He's not the same player with Guhle on his Right Side.
As much as I hate Guhle playing his weak side we just don't have top pairing talent on RD.
We are still a minimum of two years away from filling that role internally.

 

[Mrb1p]

Good points but honestly I think his production will take a leap next year as that 1st line really gets cooking. Probably only increasing his value.

I doubt his individual play takes a dive in the next year or two, again the team will likely be better making him look better all in all. Plus he’s a bit of a late bloomer and could even POSSIBLY shore up his weaknesses a tiny bit.

He has 9 PP A2. Theres no way he gets more next year. Thats in line with the players going for 100+ points. His PDO normalized a little bit lately but it was very high for the past ~40ish games.

 

[dcyhabs]

Really don't get the hate for Matheson, none of the goals against the rangers were on him. If I had to guess, the same crowd would hate PK. Nobody on Montreal can do what Mike brings, until you do, you keep him, and what a bargain when making cap comparisons.

He'll look better once they have a true top pairing and Matheson can play a few less minutes against weaker opposition.

 

[Goalfield13]

Why are people so ready to trade Kova? He's a young reliable bottom-pairing RD. No way I trade him over Barron or Harris. I'd rather trade Savard too, looking at the team long-term.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

even with his flaws,what a steal of a trade

And which player is flawless?

 

[Captain Mountain]

Why are people so ready to trade Kova? He's a young reliable bottom-pairing RD. No way I trade him over Barron or Harris. I'd rather trade Savard too, looking at the team long-term.

Kovacevic turns 27 in July, he's not young in hockey terms. Especially when compared to Harris and especially Barron.

 

[rik schau]

Why are people so ready to trade Kova? He's a young reliable bottom-pairing RD. No way I trade him over Barron or Harris. I'd rather trade Savard too, looking at the team long-term.

People want,make that demand it that Montreal needs more 4,5,6, round drafts picks.

 

[The Great Weal]

I doubt he goes anywhere until they see how Hutson performs in the NHL. He's not ideal as the PP1 guy but he's vastly better than anyone else at the moment.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I doubt he goes anywhere until they see how Hutson performs in the NHL. He's not ideal as the PP1 guy but he's vastly better than anyone else at the moment.

I don't disagree, but he's also a better PP1 D than anyone else Montreal has had since Markov. Which is why, flaws aside, the only D with more PP points than him this season are Makar, Hughes, Hedman and Bouchard.

 

[Goalfield13]

Kovacevic turns 27 in July, he's not young in hockey terms. Especially when compared to Harris and especially Barron.

27 is still young for a D, and I am not convinced Harris is an NHL D. Barron I am torn on.

 

[Mrb1p]

He'll look better once they have a true top pairing and Matheson can play a few less minutes against weaker opposition.

He won't look better, he is what he is and always was this frankenstein player, thats why Florida and Pens had him as expandable. A bad player is a bad player no matter how many minutes he plays, he just gets to be bad less often if he plays less.

Right now he plays 4 minutes of PP, really easy minutes. In reality, he plays the same as Guhle and yet we see the difference in the quality they both offer.

Why are people so ready to trade Kova? He's a young reliable bottom-pairing RD. No way I trade him over Barron or Harris. I'd rather trade Savard too, looking at the team long-term.

Kovacevic is dime a dozen and cheap, if someone is gonna give us a 2nd + trade him yesterday.

Otherwise, yeah, just keep him.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

You want me to enlighten? what an undesirable and monumental task that sounds like. I can suggest some literature though.

As per the worth, how can I or anyone know what is going on in any of the 32 GM's head. Only they know what price they affix to an individual and every transaction is unique. It's actually silly and a complete waste of time to even consider or propose such transactions if you ask me, but whatever gets you off I guess, have fun.

If that is true why have Habs fans been able to pretty accurately guess what players like Monahan Charoot, Petry etc would return.

 

[Captain Mountain]

27 is still young for a D, and I am not convinced Harris is an NHL D. Barron I am torn on.

27 is not young for D. And frankly if your not convinced Harris (at 23) or Barron (at 22) are NHL D, I don't know why you'd have confidence in Kovacevic.

 

[Goalfield13]

27 is not young for D. And frankly if your not convinced Harris (at 23) or Barron (at 22) are NHL D, I don't know why you'd have confidence in Kovacevic.

Bro, we can't just trade everyone over 26 on the team. 27 may not be young, but it isn't old. he still has plenty of hockey left and is far more reliable than Harris and Barron currently. We kinda need that to win hockey games, which the team is going to be expected to do soon.