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Goalfield22 said:
Bro, we can't just trade everyone over 26 on the team. 27 may not be young, but it isn't old. he still has plenty of hockey left and is far more reliable than Harris and Barron currently. We kinda need that to win hockey games, which the team is going to be expected to do soon.
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My guy, Harris grades as more "reliable" than Kovacevic and Barron has much higher upside. The idea that anyone would not trade a soon to be 27 year old D-man, who will be UFA at the end of next season over young D that have had a greater net impact on the team is kind of mind boggling.

Kovacevic's main value is he's cheap, big and not on an expiring deal. That value isn't going to be there forever.

And I'm not saying trade everyone over 26. But you could easily replace Kovacevic by spending more cap in the short-term, without risking on upside. Especially since Montreal's not going to be in a position to pay him in two years anyways.
 
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Captain Mountain said:
My guy, Harris grades as more "reliable" than Kovacevic and Barron has much higher upside. The idea that anyone would not trade a soon to be 27 year old D-man, who will be UFA at the end of next season over young D that have had a greater net impact on the team is kind of mind boggling.

Kovacevic's main value is he's cheap, big and not on an expiring deal. That value isn't going to be there forever.

And I'm not saying trade everyone over 26. But you could easily replace Kovacevic by spending more cap in the short-term, without risking on upside. Especially since Montreal's not going to be in a position to pay him in two years anyways.
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Imo, it's not out of the realm of possibiity that Kovacevic ends up the better dman than Harris.

Yes, Kovacevic makes mistakes with his puck handling and collecting that lead to turnovers. But his size allows him to win battles that Harris can't. So while Harris is better with the puck, he loses more battles and covers less of passing lanes as compared to Kovacevic and his long reach. Just looking at one dimension and saying one player is better than another player doesn't make them a better overall player. I like Harris. But he still has to prove he can overcome being undersized and defend well.
 
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Captain Mountain said:
My guy, Harris grades as more "reliable" than Kovacevic and Barron has much higher upside. The idea that anyone would not trade a soon to be 27 year old D-man, who will be UFA at the end of next season over young D that have had a greater net impact on the team is kind of mind boggling.

Kovacevic's main value is he's cheap, big and not on an expiring deal. That value isn't going to be there forever.

And I'm not saying trade everyone over 26. But you could easily replace Kovacevic by spending more cap in the short-term, without risking on upside. Especially since Montreal's not going to be in a position to pay him in two years anyways.
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Harris is in no way more reliable than Kova LOL. This player is way underrated on here. He has been getting better every year, and we can likely sign him for super cheap if need be.
 
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Matheson is fine. He just play too many minutes per game. MSL should spread the minutes more and give some more to Xhekaj and Kovy or Harris on the 3rd pairing.
 
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The Matheson TOI issue will be resolved as early as next season. We simply have too many Dmen coming into the fold AND the young ones will just continue to increase their own TOI. It should allow for less ES+SH TOI for him, and will let him stick to his strengths on the PP and with soft offensive minutes.

Guhle needs to be challenged to take the reins and go. If Guhle can takes steps forward and be better next season, then the issue will be addressed.
 
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Habssince89 said:
The Matheson TOI issue will be resolved as early as next season. We simply have too many Dmen coming into the fold AND the young ones will just continue to increase their own TOI. It should allow for less ES+SH TOI for him, and will let him stick to his strengths on the PP and with soft offensive minutes.

Guhle needs to be challenged to take the reins and go. If Guhle can takes steps forward and be better next season, then the issue will be addressed.
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Guhle is the key for sure
 
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Ah, the heated discussions about Jonathan frigging Kovacevic. Will we, or will we not get that extra 4th round pick?

Only on Habs forum.

He is a depth defenceman. Inconsequential at this stage of this team's development. Likely more useful on the roster than any return we could get for him.
 
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Habssince89 said:
The Matheson TOI issue will be resolved as early as next season. We simply have too many Dmen coming into the fold AND the young ones will just continue to increase their own TOI. It should allow for less ES+SH TOI for him, and will let him stick to his strengths on the PP and with soft offensive minutes.

Guhle needs to be challenged to take the reins and go. If Guhle can takes steps forward and be better next season, then the issue will be addressed.
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I would agree with you if only he was given the chance to do it, we barely see him playing PP minutes
 
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The hate has tapered off as his play has improved. He's not the same player with Guhle on his Right Side.
As much as I hate Guhle playing his weak side we just don't have top pairing talent on RD.
We are still a minimum of two years away from filling that role internally.
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Yes some of the over the toppers have paused but will without a doubt resurface the instant there are glaring blemishes. A good player can play any side and with either side, there are advantages and disadvantages.
 
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Bumping this to remind everyone that this guy is just as bad as Gustafsson and shame on anyone thst tries to defend his usage.

Watch the Nyquist goal and tell me hes not a joke
 
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Matheson is fine. He just play too many minutes per game. MSL should spread the minutes more and give some more to Xhekaj and Kovy or Harris on the 3rd pairing.
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Which likely will happen organically more & more over next 1-2 years as Guhle, Xhekaj & Struble gain more NHL experience
 
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Mrb1p said:
Bumping this to remind everyone that this guy is just as bad as Gustafsson and shame on anyone thst tries to defend his usage.

Watch the Nyquist goal and tell me hes not a joke
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Your post is the joke. We all know Matheson is mistake prone. He’s also playing so much, of course he’ll make mistake. He’s the perfect stop gap, paid only 4,8m$ and we got to dump Petry by acquiring him.

He is 3 times the player Gustafson is. Its tough to take your opinion seriously
 
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Mrb1p said:
Bumping this to remind everyone that this guy is just as bad as Gustafsson and shame on anyone thst tries to defend his usage.

Watch the Nyquist goal and tell me hes not a joke
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Why you dumping on Slafkovsky's woes on the backchecking in a Matheson thread?

CAUFIELD said:
Your post is the joke. We all know Matheson is mistake prone. He’s also playing so much, of course he’ll make mistake. He’s the perfect stop gap, paid only 4,8m$ and we got to dump Petry by acquiring him.

He is 3 times the player Gustafson is. Its tough to take your opinion seriously
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He has to be joking and making things up. Matheson wasn't on the ice for the Nyquest goal.
 
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CAUFIELD said:
Your post is the joke. We all know Matheson is mistake prone. He’s also playing so much, of course he’ll make mistake. He’s the perfect stop gap, paid only 4,8m$ and we got to dump Petry by acquiring him.

He is 3 times the player Gustafson is. Its tough to take your opinion seriously
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He's not the perfect stop gap, the team needs to stiffle their 21 YO top pair D, displace him on his offside and play him in heavy defensive minutes because the "stop gap" can't do his job.

The play-time excuse needs to stop. Good players are good despite the time they spend on the ice. Connor McDavid wouldn't play worse if he played less, he would look just as amazing.

Limiting Mathesons PP time could be a decent way to stop seeing his sorry ass for 28 minutes a game, but MSL loves his vets like no other.
 
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The Gr8 Dane said:
yeah he chased in the corner , screwed up everybody's assignment.

I have no problem with Matheson on the team while we are tanking/rebuilding , I'd move on this offseason if anybody wants him though
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Thats the funny part, he didn't even chase, he held the low red line. An hilarious mistake.


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