Player Discussion Mike Matheson

[SlafySZN]

One would think that this team would have had its fill of shooting itself in the foot.

The habs are in a rebuild and Matheson is 29 years old. A team could give a lot for him.

 

[salbutera]

The habs are in a rebuild and Matheson is 29 years old. A team could give a lot for him.

Always ready to listen to offers..

 

[ChesterNimitz]

The habs are in a rebuild and Matheson is 29 years old. A team could give a lot for him.

I think we will all enjoy and be entertained watching Allard and his ilk playing top minutes over the next few years as we continue the never ending re-build.

 

[MasterD]

I think we will all enjoy and be entertained watching Allard and his ilk playing top minutes over the next few years as we continue the never ending re-build.

Neverending? It's been what, 12 months?

Don't give the garbage that it's been 25 years. Yes, we've sucked for as long as I can remember, but a proper rebuild has barely started.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Neverending? It's been what, 12 months?

Don't give the garbage that it's been 25 years. Yes, we've sucked for as long as I can remember, but a proper rebuild has barely started.

Just getting started baby , buckle up (I hope)

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Neverending? It's been what, 12 months?

Don't give the garbage that it's been 25 years. Yes, we've sucked for as long as I can remember, but a proper rebuild has barely started.

With no Cups in 30 years and only two over the past half century I guess we have witnessed and experienced an improper rebuild. I am among the dwindling few who remember when this franchise was synonymous with excellence. We have evolved into the Cleveland Browns of hockey. Trading Matheson, who is clearly our best defenceman, will only perpetuate our legacy of mediocrity.

 

[Scriptor]

With no Cups in 30 years and only two over the past half century I guess we have witnessed and experienced an improper rebuild. I am among the dwindling few who remember when this franchise was synonymous with excellence. We have evolved into the Cleveland Browns of hockey. Trading Matheson, who is clearly our best defenceman, will only perpetuate our legacy of mediocrity.

Agree that Matheson is more valuable to the Habs as a Hab right now. It doesn't mean we shouldn't trade him at the end of his contract, though. the progression of our young Ds, by then, will dictate what is the proper course of action.

Matheson just tuned 29 on February 27th and will be 29 at the beginning of next season into 2/3 of next season.

I think he should play through next season in MON as, mostly, a 29 yr-old and , the following season all, mostly, a 30 yr-old. That season should, IMO, be Mailloux's first season in the NHL, but it might also be his 2nd, if Cube is right about him making it to the NHL as early as next season.

The third season, the last one on Matheson's contract, one he will play mostly as a 31 year old, should, IMO, be Hutson's first season in Montreal, after another year in the NCAA or two, but possibly one in the NCAA and one in Laval.

That would be, given the depth on the left side of D, the right time for Matheson to no longer be paying for the Habs. Therefore, I expect him to play two more seasons in MON and be traded at the trade deadline in the second season, as a quality veteran D for a playoff push who is also signed for an extra year at a decent Cap hit. Montreal could also hold back some salary to increase the return, depending on its own Cap situation at that point...

At least two more seasons for Matheson with MON, IMHO.

 

[Belial]

The habs are in a rebuild and Matheson is 29 years old. A team could give a lot for him.

There's no reason to trade this guy he's part of our rebuild!

 

[PeteWorrell]

You need guys like Matheson and Savard on the team to help guide younger players. If you don't have that, you end up like the Oilers before McDavid where young talented players were just going through the motions.

 

[Wats]

I think we will all enjoy and be entertained watching Allard and his ilk playing top minutes over the next few years as we continue the never ending re-build.

It's neverending because the previous GM couldn't be bothered to do one when it was clearly needed.

I rather keep Matheson but if we can hypothetically package Matheson+Anderson for an quality player, I'd take it.

 

[Scriptor]

It's neverending because the previous GM couldn't be bothered to do one when it was clearly needed.

I rather keep Matheson but if we can hypothetically package Matheson+Anderson for an quality player, I'd take it.

It's a never say no scenario when it comes to trades, provided those trades cover all bases.

Matheson + Anderson for a young, top-pairing RHD, anyday. You address a pressing need and you still have Edmundson and Savard worse comes to worst.

Guhle + young, Top-Pairing RHD is worth more than Matheson on the team.

It's definitely a now for the future trade if a team gives us that for Matheson + Anderson, but I don't see it happening because we're sending over 10M their way and they aren't sending that our way.

I think that Matheson stays at least two of the three remaining years on his contract, but probably all three, being dealt at the deadline in the third year, a pure rental for a1st round pick +.

 

[salbutera]

I think we will all enjoy and be entertained watching Allard and his ilk playing top minutes over the next few years as we continue the never ending re-build.

This “rebuild” will weigh heavily on the upcoming draft IMO - a Bedard lottery win, and rebuild is over, it’ll be fast track to adding pieces for playoff contention

 

[ChesterNimitz]

It's a never say no scenario when it comes to trades, provided those trades cover all bases.

Matheson + Anderson for a young, top-pairing RHD, anyday. You address a pressing need and you still have Edmundson and Savard worse comes to worst.

Guhle + young, Top-Pairing RHD is worth more than Matheson on the team.

It's definitely a now for the future trade if a team gives us that for Matheson + Anderson, but I don't see it happening because we're sending over 10M their way and they aren't sending that our way.

I think that Matheson stays at least two of the three remaining years on his contract, but probably all three, being dealt at the deadline in the third year, a pure rental for a1st round pick +.

No question, if a team is prepared to offer an elite 21 to 24 year old impactful player for Matheson its a trade the team should jump at. But I think its quite counter-productive to rest your ‘re-build ‘ strategy on the hope of other teams’ improvident overpayment. At its essence, professional sport is entertainment. With Matheson in the lineup, and contributing his 26 minutes of playing time, the team is barely competitive. Without him, you would soon see the loyal fans sitting in the stands wearing bags on their heads. Tank or otherwise. Trading an expensive diminishing asset like Petry for Matheson was an excellent example of good asset management. It would take an equally intuitive transaction before I trade away a player who has become a mainstay and leader on this very young and challenged team.

 

[Scriptor]

No question, if a team is prepared to offer an elite 21 to 24 year old impactful player for Matheson its a trade the team should jump at. But I think its quite counter-productive to rest your ‘re-build ‘ strategy on the hope of other teams’ improvident overpayment. At its essence, professional sport is entertainment. With Matheson in the lineup, and contributing his 26 minutes of playing time, the team is barely competitive. Without him, you would soon see the loyal fans sitting in the stands wearing bags on their heads. Tank or otherwise. Trading an expensive diminishing asset like Petry for Matheson was an excellent example of good asset management. It would take an equally intuitive transaction before I trade away a player who has become a mainstay and leader on this very young and challenged team.

I agree about your stance on not relying on fanciful overpayments as a rebuild strategy and I did say such a trade is highly unlikely, if only for the cap implications.

Everything you say works for me, except that I couldn't care less how entertaining Matheson is if he did not help with the younger players' development as a 29-yr-old during a rebuild.

He does help, however, by bringing both leadership and skill to the ice to better surround the kids as they progress in their development.

 

[JianYang]

I hope he can stay healthy and keep it up.

Matheson is just starting to skate now like the way we saw him in training camp.

The first thing that stood out to me after he came back from injury the first time was that he wasn't moving as well.

 

[26Mats]

Matheson is just starting to skate now like the way we saw him in training camp.

The first thing that stood out to me after he came back from injury the first time was that he wasn't moving as well.

He's a great skater.

But another thing holding him back was his ddecision-making It will be interesting to see if that can get to a consistently high level over the long term. I feel like he's just starting to scratch the surface.

The habs are in a rebuild and Matheson is 29 years old. A team could give a lot for him.

His value isn't at its peak yet. He has to do what he's been doing consistently over a large sample size (a season or two). And then he will get the accolades and be highly coveted. And then we'll see if we want to move him or keep him. A good skater like Petry was good until at least 34. So Matheson could have 6 more good years.

 

[JianYang]

He's a great skater.

But another thing holding him back was his ddecision-making It will be interesting to see if that can get to a consistently high level over the long term. I feel like he's just starting to scratch the surface.


His value isn't at its peak yet. He has to do what he's been doing consistently over a large sample size (a season or two). And then he will get the accolades and be highly coveted. And then we'll see if we want to move him or keep him. A good skater like Petry was good until at least 34. So Matheson could have 6 more good years.

It goes hand in hand. If you don't feel like yourself, you're going naturally be tentative.

 

[26Mats]

It goes hand in hand. If you don't feel like yourself, you're going naturally be tentative.

He's never put up this kind of production in his career.

Hopefully he's in the process of reaching new levels offensively amd defensively.

 

[JianYang]

He's never put up this kind of production in his career.

Hopefully he's in the process of reaching new levels offensively amd defensively.

He set a new personal record for goals last year if I remember correctly, so maybe he found something.

But I'm not even looking at the goals and assists. It was very visible to me that his movement was off when he came back the first time. It could be a mental thing too where he was not confident that he could move without getting re-injured.... Which he eventually did anyways

 

[CDN24]

He's never put up this kind of production in his career.

Hopefully he's in the process of reaching new levels offensively amd defensively.

He is a lot like the guy he was traded for. Petry started producing consistently about 10 years post draft at 28 and had his best years from ages 28-33. By that standard MM is just coming into his best years. Trading him now would be a mistake,

 

[JoelWarlord]

Trading Matheson isn't something I'm particularly interested in. Even if we're relatively "deep" on LD (in quotations because Guhle still has some question marks about durability and if he can't stay healthy things aren't so secure for the future) we have nobody else on the blue line with Matheson's raw puck skill and hands. If one or both of Hutson or Mailloux establish themselves as our PP QB over the next few seasons then I'd be more open to considering it but at the moment I don't have any interest in trading Matheson for anything less than a desperate overpay from another team.

 

[Mrb1p]

You need guys like Matheson and Savard on the team to help guide younger players. If you don't have that, you end up like the Oilers before McDavid where young talented players were just going through the motions.

Okay you may need vets, but you don't need multiple of them.

Matheson, Edmundson, Savard, Kovacevic, Wideman. Keep Savard and Wideman, trade the two others.

Same with forwards, theres no need for 29 vets, if they have value assocaited to them, trade them....

 

[FerrisRox]

With no Cups in 30 years and only two over the past half century

I think you might want to check your math on that.

 

[JT3]

At minimum I think we keep him through next season. After that, you can evaluate where we are and we can either move him at the 2024 draft or wait till the 24-25 deadline when a team can get him for two playoff runs. If we are somehow competitive already by that time then we can just keep him too.

Assuming he keeps playing like he is over that time frame, he will be super attractive for playoff teams given his contract and will net us some nice assets as we prepare to compete.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Okay you may need vets, but you don't need multiple of them.

Matheson, Edmundson, Savard, Kovacevic, Wideman. Keep Savard and Wideman, trade the two others.

Same with forwards, theres no need for 29 vets, if they have value assocaited to them, trade them....

What is wrong with this post?

Keep Wideman, who can't play at an NHL level, and dump the guy playing like a 1st pairing defenceman (pacing 54 points and +22) for a 3/4D cap hit of $4.9M??????????????????????

What the serious phuq!!

Matheson is not just "a vet". He is one of our 3 best players. Jeezus Price.