Player Discussion Mike Matheson

BaseballCoach

Registered User
Dec 15, 2006
21,276
9,605
It's a never say no scenario when it comes to trades, provided those trades cover all bases.

Matheson + Anderson for a young, top-pairing RHD, anyday. You address a pressing need and you still have Edmundson and Savard worse comes to worst.

Guhle + young, Top-Pairing RHD is worth more than Matheson on the team.

It's definitely a now for the future trade if a team gives us that for Matheson + Anderson, but I don't see it happening because we're sending over 10M their way and they aren't sending that our way.

I think that Matheson stays at least two of the three remaining years on his contract, but probably all three, being dealt at the deadline in the third year, a pure rental for a1st round pick +.
If we are competitive by 2026, and Matheson plays with equal skill and spunk as now, then it is likely we will extend him. With a better surrounding cast, he might be at 60 points and +40.

You may have heard of the concept. It's called keeping your good players. Unless we are already planning Dach's 2026 deadline deal and Suzuki's 2030 deadline deal. It's like some folks think tanking is forever.
 

BaseballCoach

Registered User
Dec 15, 2006
21,276
9,605
He's never put up this kind of production in his career.

Hopefully he's in the process of reaching new levels offensively amd defensively.
Pïttsburgh moved him from the right side where Florida played him, to the left, and his defence got instantly better. This year is his third consecutive plus season.

His offence was always latent. He was a first round pick for a reason. Letang mentioned several times how good Mike was last year. His play is no surprise to me, I loved the trade from the start.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: ChesterNimitz

Mrb1p

PRICERSTOPDAPUCK
Dec 10, 2011
91,967
59,049
Citizen of the world
What is wrong with this post?

Keep Wideman, who can't play at an NHL level, and dump the guy playing like a 1st pairing defenceman (pacing 54 points and +22) for a 3/4D cap hit of $4.9M??????????????????????

What the serious phuq!!

Matheson is not just "a vet". He is one of our 3 best players. Jeezus Price.
Guhle, Suzuki, Montambeault, Caufield, Dach? Thats our 5 best


Also no one said to dump him. It would be wise to capitalize on his current value though, instead of letting him falter like they did with Edmundson.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MilesNewton

JoelWarlord

Registered User
May 7, 2012
6,454
10,188
Halifax
The other thing to keep in mind RE: Matheson's production beyond just whether or not he's a late bloomer is that he's getting way more ice time and a PP1 role with Montreal. It's not inherently a fluke to have a guy who put up a career-high of 31P playing as a #5 and getting very limited PP2 time increase his production when he's deployed as a #1 and used as the main PP1 QB.

He was getting 18 minutes a night on the PP and about 50 seconds a game on the PP, and now he's getting 24 minutes a night and 3:30 per game on the PP in Montreal.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Canadienna

Canadienna

Registered User
Jan 27, 2015
13,040
18,440
The other thing to keep in mind RE: Matheson's production beyond just whether or not he's a late bloomer is that he's getting way more ice time and a PP1 role with Montreal. It's not inherently a fluke to have a guy who put up a career-high of 31P playing as a #5 and getting very limited PP2 time increase his production when he's deployed as a #1 and used as the main PP1 QB.

He was getting 18 minutes a night on the PP and about 50 seconds a game on the PP, and now he's getting 24 minutes a night and 3:30 per game on the PP in Montreal.

Just listening to the spittin chiclets Tage Thompson interview and he mentions a number of times how he felt he needed to get the opportunity before he could really break out.

Not to say Matheson is Thompson lol, but sometimes guys just need an extended opportunity. Let's hope it keeps up because whether we keep him or trade him, him playing well helps.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JoelWarlord

HabbyGuy

Registered User
Apr 10, 2003
7,887
13,221
Hamilton Ontario
Visit site
The other thing to keep in mind RE: Matheson's production beyond just whether or not he's a late bloomer is that he's getting way more ice time and a PP1 role with Montreal. It's not inherently a fluke to have a guy who put up a career-high of 31P playing as a #5 and getting very limited PP2 time increase his production when he's deployed as a #1 and used as the main PP1 QB.

He was getting 18 minutes a night on the PP and about 50 seconds a game on the PP, and now he's getting 24 minutes a night and 3:30 per game on the PP in Montreal.

Yeah but it's more than just his production that has been great. It's what the eyes are showing us when watching him play. Points or not his play has been both excellent and entertaining.
 

Tyson

Registered User
Mar 1, 2007
50,378
73,244
Texas
Just listening to the spittin chiclets Tage Thompson interview and he mentions a number of times how he felt he needed to get the opportunity before he could really break out.

Not to say Matheson is Thompson lol, but sometimes guys just need an extended opportunity. Let's hope it keeps up because whether we keep him or trade him, him playing well helps.
He has been really good. This is turning out to be a nice trade. He is entering his prime with barely over 400 NHL games.
 

Sterling Archer

Registered User
Sep 26, 2006
23,358
14,126
Where's the guy who laughed at me a couple weeks ago and said Habs got fleeced in the Petry trade and how terrible Matheson is, now?

I imagine he's probably a homeless crack smoker now becuase he clearly isn't capable of making good life decisions.


 
  • Like
Reactions: HabbyGuy

BaseballCoach

Registered User
Dec 15, 2006
21,276
9,605
Guhle, Suzuki, Montambeault, Caufield, Dach? Thats our 5 best


Also no one said to dump him. It would be wise to capitalize on his current value though, instead of letting him falter like they did with Edmundson.
LOL, Dach is not better than Matheson, they have the same ppg and one is a defenceman and is pacing +22 versus -6!!

Guhle is not better yet.

A backup goalie is not more important than a first-pair D.
 
Last edited:

BaseballCoach

Registered User
Dec 15, 2006
21,276
9,605
Guhle, Suzuki, Montambeault, Caufield, Dach? Thats our 5 best


Also no one said to dump him. It would be wise to capitalize on his current value though, instead of letting him falter like they did with Edmundson.
Edmundson has had chronic back issues since before Gorton arrived. How did Hugo falter?

Okay.

I guess the result on the ice don't matter.
Please explain?
 

salbutera

Registered User
Sep 10, 2019
15,334
17,142
For the longest time this org believed in the square peg / round hole philosophy. It’s very early but it’s refreshing to see management & head coach are completely aligned on hockey philosophy - management is acquiring players who’re positioned to succeed under MSLs playing philosophy.

Time will tell if some of these performances are outliers but I suspect they are not - what we’re witnessing is just a manifestation of strategic alignment of player vs concept. Bottom line: Matheson seems to be an ideal fit for MSLs strong focus on Dman moving the puck vs his time in Fla which was more traditional dump & chase game

What I’m really curious about is Chris Boucher’s influence in all this - I can’t help but think it’s substantial but I’ve got no way to prove it
 
Last edited:

BaseballCoach

Registered User
Dec 15, 2006
21,276
9,605
Please explain ? Matheson has had like 5 good games to a good season from all those players. It isnt close.
Matheson has played 29 games. About 25-27 were good. Heck, even in pre-season Matheson was hands down our best D by a mile.

How many games has Monty played?

And if Matheson finishes the season with more games than Caufield, will you take Cole off the best player list?

This is ridiculous. Guhle has worse stats in every metric than Matheson. It's nice that he has potential but holy misjudgment!!
 

SlafySZN

Registered User
May 21, 2022
7,597
16,481
Matheson has played 29 games. About 25-27 were good. Heck, even in pre-season Matheson was hands down our best D by a mile.

How many games has Monty played?

And if Matheson finishes the season with more games than Caufield, will you take Cole off the best player list?

This is ridiculous. Guhle has worse stats in every metric than Matheson. It's nice that he has potential but holy misjudgment!!
Yes? Cole was on pace for 48 goals, just because Matheson plays more games than him doesn't mean he'd have a better season overall.

Plus there's 19 games left, Matheson will have played the same amount as Cole.
 

Rapala

Registered User
Mar 29, 2013
42,759
40,053
Montreal
The other thing to keep in mind RE: Matheson's production beyond just whether or not he's a late bloomer is that he's getting way more ice time and a PP1 role with Montreal. It's not inherently a fluke to have a guy who put up a career-high of 31P playing as a #5 and getting very limited PP2 time increase his production when he's deployed as a #1 and used as the main PP1 QB.

He was getting 18 minutes a night on the PP and about 50 seconds a game on the PP, and now he's getting 24 minutes a night and 3:30 per game on the PP in Montreal.
I think there is upside to be had on the PP. Most notably moving the puck from behind our goal line and then shot selection. The first issue is systemic the second however can be worked on within himself. I had to laugh watching the flying V against the Kings in an effort to break the trap. That formation would be ten times better than what we usually try to deploy on our power play.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JoelWarlord

BaseballCoach

Registered User
Dec 15, 2006
21,276
9,605
Yes? Cole was on pace for 48 goals, just because Matheson plays more games than him doesn't mean he'd have a better season overall.

Plus there's 19 games left, Matheson will have played the same amount as Cole.
I never said Matheson was having a better season than Caufield. I said Mike is our third best player right now. Our colleague put 5 guys ahead of Mike, including Dach, Guhle and Monty. For me, it's not even close. The gap after Caufield, Suzuki and Matheson is huge.

Btw, 29+19=48 which is a bit more than 46.
 
  • Like
Reactions: CDN24 and Colezuki

MilesNewton

Registered User
Jul 7, 2019
1,595
441
I never said Matheson was having a better season than Caufield. I said Mike is our third best player right now. Our colleague put 5 guys ahead of Mike, including Dach, Guhle and Monty. For me, it's not even close. The gap after Caufield, Suzuki and Matheson is huge.
He was injured the majority of the important games. I am not doubting his upside at all but its a whole lot easier to play when none of these games really matter at this point.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rapala

Rapala

Registered User
Mar 29, 2013
42,759
40,053
Montreal
He was injured the majority of the important games. I am not doubting his upside at all but its a whole lot easier to play when none of these games really matter at this point.
Good point. I was talking to my buddy about this exact same thing at the game. There are always two teams on the ice and when one is a dog don't put much faith in any evaluation of the other. Matheson displayed a healthy helping of tunnel vision when seen from up top which is the one thing holding him back in terms of stardom IMO.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mrb1p

badfish

Habs fan in ON
Sponsor
Nov 12, 2005
2,881
3,194
ON
He's on the Petry development arch. Good chance he sets career highs this year while playing 30 games less.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Habs Halifax

Habnot

Registered User
Feb 28, 2002
3,424
574
Visit site
Guhle, Suzuki, Montambeault, Caufield, Dach? Thats our 5 best


Also no one said to dump him. It would be wise to capitalize on his current value though, instead of letting him falter like they did with Edmundson.
Montambeault is barely an NHL goalie. Matheson is playing like a first pairing D - he definitely is part of the core.
 

Mrb1p

PRICERSTOPDAPUCK
Dec 10, 2011
91,967
59,049
Citizen of the world
Montambeault is barely an NHL goalie. Matheson is playing like a first pairing D - he definitely is part of the core.
Montambeault is younger and had more success this year than Matheson had.

Matheson isn't a core player, he was drafted at the same time as Galchenyuk for crying out loud. He's been drafted for 11 years now.
 

Habnot

Registered User
Feb 28, 2002
3,424
574
Visit site
Montambeault is younger and had more success this year than Matheson had.

Matheson isn't a core player, he was drafted at the same time as Galchenyuk for crying out loud. He's been drafted for 11 years now.
If you haven't noticed - good D's play to their late 30's. Did you notice Brett Burns last night? 37 - still a top NHL D.

As for Monty - take a look at his stats when he loses. Save percentage is in the .860 range I believe. Still not consistent.
 

Mrb1p

PRICERSTOPDAPUCK
Dec 10, 2011
91,967
59,049
Citizen of the world
If you haven't noticed - good D's play to their late 30's. Did you notice Brett Burns last night? 37 - still a top NHL D.

As for Monty - take a look at his stats when he loses. Save percentage is in the .860 range I believe. Still not consistent.
Lol, he's playing behind the worse defensive team in the league, and a lot of that is evidenced by the fact frigging matheson is anchoring the team. He's not Brent Burns, he's not even a solid number 3. He's a slightly better skating Brett Kulak.
 
  • Like
  • Haha
Reactions: Belial and Habnot

Habnot

Registered User
Feb 28, 2002
3,424
574
Visit site
It's the same friggin defense when he wins and his save percentage in in the .920+ range. My point is that he is very inconsistent. Allen has been a much better goalie when healthy and his performance is constant.

As for Matheson, we clearly do not see the same game. Not only can he log 25+ minutes every night but he has demonstrated that he can anchor a power play.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Durvann

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad