Player Discussion Mike Matheson

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It's a never say no scenario when it comes to trades, provided those trades cover all bases.

Matheson + Anderson for a young, top-pairing RHD, anyday. You address a pressing need and you still have Edmundson and Savard worse comes to worst.

Guhle + young, Top-Pairing RHD is worth more than Matheson on the team.

It's definitely a now for the future trade if a team gives us that for Matheson + Anderson, but I don't see it happening because we're sending over 10M their way and they aren't sending that our way.

I think that Matheson stays at least two of the three remaining years on his contract, but probably all three, being dealt at the deadline in the third year, a pure rental for a1st round pick +.
If we are competitive by 2026, and Matheson plays with equal skill and spunk as now, then it is likely we will extend him. With a better surrounding cast, he might be at 60 points and +40.

You may have heard of the concept. It's called keeping your good players. Unless we are already planning Dach's 2026 deadline deal and Suzuki's 2030 deadline deal. It's like some folks think tanking is forever.
 
He's never put up this kind of production in his career.

Hopefully he's in the process of reaching new levels offensively amd defensively.
Pïttsburgh moved him from the right side where Florida played him, to the left, and his defence got instantly better. This year is his third consecutive plus season.

His offence was always latent. He was a first round pick for a reason. Letang mentioned several times how good Mike was last year. His play is no surprise to me, I loved the trade from the start.
 
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What is wrong with this post?

Keep Wideman, who can't play at an NHL level, and dump the guy playing like a 1st pairing defenceman (pacing 54 points and +22) for a 3/4D cap hit of $4.9M??????????????????????

What the serious phuq!!

Matheson is not just "a vet". He is one of our 3 best players. Jeezus Price.
Guhle, Suzuki, Montambeault, Caufield, Dach? Thats our 5 best


Also no one said to dump him. It would be wise to capitalize on his current value though, instead of letting him falter like they did with Edmundson.
 
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The other thing to keep in mind RE: Matheson's production beyond just whether or not he's a late bloomer is that he's getting way more ice time and a PP1 role with Montreal. It's not inherently a fluke to have a guy who put up a career-high of 31P playing as a #5 and getting very limited PP2 time increase his production when he's deployed as a #1 and used as the main PP1 QB.

He was getting 18 minutes a night on the PP and about 50 seconds a game on the PP, and now he's getting 24 minutes a night and 3:30 per game on the PP in Montreal.
 
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The other thing to keep in mind RE: Matheson's production beyond just whether or not he's a late bloomer is that he's getting way more ice time and a PP1 role with Montreal. It's not inherently a fluke to have a guy who put up a career-high of 31P playing as a #5 and getting very limited PP2 time increase his production when he's deployed as a #1 and used as the main PP1 QB.

He was getting 18 minutes a night on the PP and about 50 seconds a game on the PP, and now he's getting 24 minutes a night and 3:30 per game on the PP in Montreal.

Just listening to the spittin chiclets Tage Thompson interview and he mentions a number of times how he felt he needed to get the opportunity before he could really break out.

Not to say Matheson is Thompson lol, but sometimes guys just need an extended opportunity. Let's hope it keeps up because whether we keep him or trade him, him playing well helps.
 
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The other thing to keep in mind RE: Matheson's production beyond just whether or not he's a late bloomer is that he's getting way more ice time and a PP1 role with Montreal. It's not inherently a fluke to have a guy who put up a career-high of 31P playing as a #5 and getting very limited PP2 time increase his production when he's deployed as a #1 and used as the main PP1 QB.

He was getting 18 minutes a night on the PP and about 50 seconds a game on the PP, and now he's getting 24 minutes a night and 3:30 per game on the PP in Montreal.

Yeah but it's more than just his production that has been great. It's what the eyes are showing us when watching him play. Points or not his play has been both excellent and entertaining.
 
Just listening to the spittin chiclets Tage Thompson interview and he mentions a number of times how he felt he needed to get the opportunity before he could really break out.

Not to say Matheson is Thompson lol, but sometimes guys just need an extended opportunity. Let's hope it keeps up because whether we keep him or trade him, him playing well helps.
He has been really good. This is turning out to be a nice trade. He is entering his prime with barely over 400 NHL games.
 
Where's the guy who laughed at me a couple weeks ago and said Habs got fleeced in the Petry trade and how terrible Matheson is, now?

I imagine he's probably a homeless crack smoker now becuase he clearly isn't capable of making good life decisions.


 
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Guhle, Suzuki, Montambeault, Caufield, Dach? Thats our 5 best


Also no one said to dump him. It would be wise to capitalize on his current value though, instead of letting him falter like they did with Edmundson.
LOL, Dach is not better than Matheson, they have the same ppg and one is a defenceman and is pacing +22 versus -6!!

Guhle is not better yet.

A backup goalie is not more important than a first-pair D.
 
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Guhle, Suzuki, Montambeault, Caufield, Dach? Thats our 5 best


Also no one said to dump him. It would be wise to capitalize on his current value though, instead of letting him falter like they did with Edmundson.
Edmundson has had chronic back issues since before Gorton arrived. How did Hugo falter?

Okay.

I guess the result on the ice don't matter.
Please explain?
 
For the longest time this org believed in the square peg / round hole philosophy. It’s very early but it’s refreshing to see management & head coach are completely aligned on hockey philosophy - management is acquiring players who’re positioned to succeed under MSLs playing philosophy.

Time will tell if some of these performances are outliers but I suspect they are not - what we’re witnessing is just a manifestation of strategic alignment of player vs concept. Bottom line: Matheson seems to be an ideal fit for MSLs strong focus on Dman moving the puck vs his time in Fla which was more traditional dump & chase game

What I’m really curious about is Chris Boucher’s influence in all this - I can’t help but think it’s substantial but I’ve got no way to prove it
 
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Please explain ? Matheson has had like 5 good games to a good season from all those players. It isnt close.
Matheson has played 29 games. About 25-27 were good. Heck, even in pre-season Matheson was hands down our best D by a mile.

How many games has Monty played?

And if Matheson finishes the season with more games than Caufield, will you take Cole off the best player list?

This is ridiculous. Guhle has worse stats in every metric than Matheson. It's nice that he has potential but holy misjudgment!!
 
Matheson has played 29 games. About 25-27 were good. Heck, even in pre-season Matheson was hands down our best D by a mile.

How many games has Monty played?

And if Matheson finishes the season with more games than Caufield, will you take Cole off the best player list?

This is ridiculous. Guhle has worse stats in every metric than Matheson. It's nice that he has potential but holy misjudgment!!
Yes? Cole was on pace for 48 goals, just because Matheson plays more games than him doesn't mean he'd have a better season overall.

Plus there's 19 games left, Matheson will have played the same amount as Cole.
 
The other thing to keep in mind RE: Matheson's production beyond just whether or not he's a late bloomer is that he's getting way more ice time and a PP1 role with Montreal. It's not inherently a fluke to have a guy who put up a career-high of 31P playing as a #5 and getting very limited PP2 time increase his production when he's deployed as a #1 and used as the main PP1 QB.

He was getting 18 minutes a night on the PP and about 50 seconds a game on the PP, and now he's getting 24 minutes a night and 3:30 per game on the PP in Montreal.
I think there is upside to be had on the PP. Most notably moving the puck from behind our goal line and then shot selection. The first issue is systemic the second however can be worked on within himself. I had to laugh watching the flying V against the Kings in an effort to break the trap. That formation would be ten times better than what we usually try to deploy on our power play.
 
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Yes? Cole was on pace for 48 goals, just because Matheson plays more games than him doesn't mean he'd have a better season overall.

Plus there's 19 games left, Matheson will have played the same amount as Cole.
I never said Matheson was having a better season than Caufield. I said Mike is our third best player right now. Our colleague put 5 guys ahead of Mike, including Dach, Guhle and Monty. For me, it's not even close. The gap after Caufield, Suzuki and Matheson is huge.

Btw, 29+19=48 which is a bit more than 46.
 
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I never said Matheson was having a better season than Caufield. I said Mike is our third best player right now. Our colleague put 5 guys ahead of Mike, including Dach, Guhle and Monty. For me, it's not even close. The gap after Caufield, Suzuki and Matheson is huge.
He was injured the majority of the important games. I am not doubting his upside at all but its a whole lot easier to play when none of these games really matter at this point.
 
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He was injured the majority of the important games. I am not doubting his upside at all but its a whole lot easier to play when none of these games really matter at this point.
Good point. I was talking to my buddy about this exact same thing at the game. There are always two teams on the ice and when one is a dog don't put much faith in any evaluation of the other. Matheson displayed a healthy helping of tunnel vision when seen from up top which is the one thing holding him back in terms of stardom IMO.
 
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Guhle, Suzuki, Montambeault, Caufield, Dach? Thats our 5 best


Also no one said to dump him. It would be wise to capitalize on his current value though, instead of letting him falter like they did with Edmundson.
Montambeault is barely an NHL goalie. Matheson is playing like a first pairing D - he definitely is part of the core.
 
Montambeault is barely an NHL goalie. Matheson is playing like a first pairing D - he definitely is part of the core.
Montambeault is younger and had more success this year than Matheson had.

Matheson isn't a core player, he was drafted at the same time as Galchenyuk for crying out loud. He's been drafted for 11 years now.
 
Montambeault is younger and had more success this year than Matheson had.

Matheson isn't a core player, he was drafted at the same time as Galchenyuk for crying out loud. He's been drafted for 11 years now.
If you haven't noticed - good D's play to their late 30's. Did you notice Brett Burns last night? 37 - still a top NHL D.

As for Monty - take a look at his stats when he loses. Save percentage is in the .860 range I believe. Still not consistent.
 
If you haven't noticed - good D's play to their late 30's. Did you notice Brett Burns last night? 37 - still a top NHL D.

As for Monty - take a look at his stats when he loses. Save percentage is in the .860 range I believe. Still not consistent.
Lol, he's playing behind the worse defensive team in the league, and a lot of that is evidenced by the fact frigging matheson is anchoring the team. He's not Brent Burns, he's not even a solid number 3. He's a slightly better skating Brett Kulak.
 
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It's the same friggin defense when he wins and his save percentage in in the .920+ range. My point is that he is very inconsistent. Allen has been a much better goalie when healthy and his performance is constant.

As for Matheson, we clearly do not see the same game. Not only can he log 25+ minutes every night but he has demonstrated that he can anchor a power play.
 
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