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Value of: Mike Matheson to Vancouver
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viceroy
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Kid ain't eligible to waivers until 27-28.
No it won't. BTW aren't you tired of playing the Main Board apologist role?
No they don't, but if they end up having to trade both JT Miller and EP40 this year they may have seen their window close before it even ever opened.
Theodore450
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If you’re telling me, that in the offseason we will get more than two 2nd round picks…. Then I hope you’re right. He won’t get more than that, he’s not a good defender
Nah, no chance then.
Matheson has his limitations, but he's considerably more valuable, bothto the Habs and league-wide, than a late 1st, let alone with retention.
And in reality, with the way the Habs have performed the past ~6 weeks, there's less and less chance they would risk trading him at all.
Through the past 6 weeks, Habs are 9th in the league in the standings... Matheson leads the team in ice time (3min more per game than #2)...
Hey I was being sarcastic after the off season where the habs had by some, albeit a vocal few, the best pipeline for Dmen in all of hockey.
Adam Engstrom is a better prospect than Mailman.
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viceroy
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He may well be. As Bogdan Konyushkov may be as well, in addition the Russian's a Righty like Mailloux.
I don't see Mailloux panning out as there are too many holes in his game for the NHL level.
Habs Halifax
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What do you mean when you say not panning out? Not going to make the NHL or not going to be a top pairing or top 4D?
He's one of many who need time to develop. When this kid is 25+, he's going to be more mature and he will be a NHL defenseman. The problem is the time you have to wait for him to mature. A big mobile RD who skates very well and has a great shot.... Think no further than a Matheson type. Someone who will likely help with puck moving and points/goals but will need to be paired up with a stud. There are a fair amount of these in the NHL today
He is going to play some NHL games but I doubt that he is ever a top 4 Dman in the NHL for any length of time.
Habs have their top 4 right now and maybe Savard gets traded but Reinbacher is better and I venture Engstrom as well.
It sounds like Konyushkov is going to come over as well so there are 5 or 6 guys right now
Sure but his Hockey IQ is his biggest weakness and in the AHL he can get away with his physical skills, speed, shot ect but the next step he isn't going to be a bottom pairing type of guy who plays on the PK and I don't think his skillset will overcome the IQ problems at the NHL level.
Plus while he is trying to figure things out 3 non roster guys project as better all around Dmen for the NHL and the Habs will draft another Dman or 2 as well.
I also think that he and Struble are very similar in terms of NHL projection.
Habs Halifax
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I honestly think it's still too early to know. There is too much there to ignore. A big mobile RD with a great shot but taking a while to learn how to be reliable. Doubt he reaches top pairing but top 4D paired up with a physical stay at home stud might be where he lands. Problem is that is likely age 25+. He's on track to take longer
I actually think the Habs have lots a solid pieces but at the same time, we have many pieces that will take years for them to touch their prime (age 25+ range). Look at where Evans is today at age 28. Same as it was with Lehkonen when we traded him.
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canuckslover10
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IDK if MTL would even trade him at this point considering they might mess around and make the playoffs, although I really liked his game today im surprised people don't think he is a valuable top 4 Dman.
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One of the best skaters in the league. Heavy accurate shot. 6’2 strong. Basically a physical specimen…
However, he makes blunders and unforced errors. 1 in every 4/5 games everything goes off the rails. Tonight he kept things very simple. That’s when he plays well.
Would something around Matheson + Roy + Mailloux + Habs 2025 1st entice you for Petey if you had to ship him away?
It's because he plays for montreal, you're legally not allowed to admit anyone on the roster is worth more than a 5th round pick even though every deadline that gets proven wrong.
But yes, almost zero chance he gets moved this deadline even before they got in a wildcard spot. Maybe there's a conversation this offseason though, currently his veteran presence and leadership is too important on the 2nd youngest team in the league and he is playing some solid hockey.
When he's sitting in the wrong chair is the issue, and sometimes he will make a glaring mistake that makes him look extremely bad. He's a good player with a positive impact on the game, but can be frustrating at time. Insane tools, average toolbox.
You need to give to get, I would assume we'd need to bump Roy to Hage and Mailloux to Reinbacher for the Canucks to consider moving EP. If we were to do that, I'd include Anderson or Gallagher to balance out the cap.
All in all, I don't think I'd pay the assets required to get EP because I don't think his contract is good value (or atleast very risky).
viceroy
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Nope. Petterson's a terrific player but appears weak mentally. I do not believe he's the kind of player who gets you a Cup. JT's got entirely different issues.
So, Matheson + Hage + Reinbacher + Anderson/Gallagher + Habs 2025 1st for EP40? Heck no. Like I said just above the kid's great but we're nearing the "let's figure out what the missing pieces to be a contender" stage of the game. I don't think betting the farm on a soft mentally suspect overpaid forward is our best option.
I do not disagree, I wouldn,t do it either, I'm saying this is what they are going to ask for
Habs Halifax
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Some fans are evaluating Matheson from his game like 2+ years ago. He's actually gradually improving his defensive play but fans remember the past too much. Lots of Habs fans thought it was Gallagher who was carrying Danault and I was auguring it was the other way around. Matheson is working hard at improving his defensive play and he should be allowed to improve without a past dark cloud over his shoulder all the time.
His defensive flaws are being overblown (fans never do this right?). I compared Matheson to Dobson in Turnovers, Giveways, Hits, Blocks, Points, Corsi for, and Zone starts and the numbers are very close. Matheson actually getting more Defensive zone starts than Dobson by a wide margin too.
Not many Habs fans considered the Hutson/Matheson pairing and they have been very good together surprisingly. I think there is a fair chance the Habs retain Matheson for 3 more years if he is open to it. RD's are just not available and the pool is small so having a guy like Matheson who can play both sides is a good asset to have. I think he ages well with his skating from age 30-34. It's the 35+ years that would scare me.
JianYang
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Petry generally did well when asked. Aside for the last season but he picked it again after the coach was fired.
Their middle pair can be better, I think.
Habs Halifax
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Matheson is undervalued. Fans are just overblowing his defensive flaws out of proportion. He's not a stud in his own end but he's been improving in that area over the last 2 seasons as he is becoming a vet with experience. Matheson and Hutson have become a great pairing. Go figure eh. Most would have said Matheson will hold Hutson back because he won't be able to provide stable D for him. We will see how that ages.
Habs are not trading Matheson for a 2nd and an OK youth player. We have loads of B+ and B type prospects on our own. We are after quality so it would have to be a mid to late 1st and B+ prospect at a min... for us to think about it.
Based on the lack of availability at RD in the NHL and with Matheson's ability to play both sides, I think the Habs consider retaining our puck mover. As long as he is OK with a 3 year extension taking him to age 34.
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Habs Halifax
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I'd give the Canucks lottery protection or top 5 protection but not top 10 protection. If the Habs are serious about trading Matheson, there will be several teams interested. A smooth skating D with a great shot and vision and can play both sides while on a value contract for this season and one more? That's worth more than a late 1st.
are you taking habs fan out for dinner before screwing us?
62 pts last year, on pace for 50 this year.
Overplayed as a no 1 or 2 but an excellent 2nd pairing dman
with elite skating, some grit - but sometimes questionable hockey sense...
but he's a hab so obviously he has very little worth to the usual crowd.
Summarized well
