Post-Game Talk: Mickey Mouse @ Rangers

[DudMan28]

I'm not talking about that.

Of course I'm gonna hang onto this because I am right.

I'm talking about people hanging onto single-game eye test highlights.

Trying to understand some fancy stats here so I can follow your thoughts. Am I reading this right?

Schneider-Nemeth both do better when they don't play together
Nemeth performs much worse without Lundkvist
Lundkvist is much better without Nemeth.

It looks to me like he's more of an anchor than the two young guys. Even just looking total xGF% and CF% he ranks below both of them. What am I'm missing here that his advanced stats out perform both of them outside of having a longer track record?

 

[Machinehead]

Trying to understand some fancy stats here so I can follow your thoughts. Am I reading this right?

Schneider-Nemeth both do better when they don't play together
Nemeth performs much worse without Lundkvist
Lundkvist is much better without Nemeth.

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It looks to me like he's more of an anchor than the two young guys. Even just looking total xGF% and CF% he ranks below both of them. What am I'm missing here that his advanced stats out perform both of them outside of having a longer track record?

You make a strong case.

It's a small sample and like I said before, I'm going on years of Nemeth posting strong defensive analytics.

 

[17futurecap]

That 4th line tonight is the line you start playoff game 1 with.

Drury extending The Body when every dollar counts next season was a very nice move.

 

[Machinehead]

That 4th line tonight is the line you start playoff game 1 with.

Drury extending The Body when every dollar counts next season was a very nice move.

That would mean Goodrow being a scratch when Kakko comes back which is pie in the sky.

I agree that I really like the line, and Brodzinski's play.

 

[Grifter3511]

Obviously Scheider didn't like sitting last game. LOL

Damn can this kid drop the gloves. How can you not love that? A huge Hit, his best impression of a rock'em sock'em robot, and setting up his D partner for his first in a Rangers uniform, is a pretty excellent return to action.

You can say the same for Ryan Strome too.

But I think the first star goes to our leader, who did not have a point in the game, Mika Zibanejad. If ever there was an instructional video, in how to play a 200 foot game, all you need to do is watch his game tonight. He was flawless. He has to get some votes this year for the Selke Trophy. It would be criminal if he didn't.

I may be mistaken as I don't get to watch many Rangers games this year and more often than not use this board to gauge player performances, but wasn't Zib being bitched about for the first half of the season for how lazy he was playing and how lost he looked on defense?

 

[EdJovanovski]

Why is Lindgren given interviews for the Wild?

 

[17futurecap]

That would mean Goodrow being a scratch when Kakko comes back which is pie in the sky.

I agree that I really like the line, and Brodzinski's play.

I feel like the playoffs are going to see a lot of alternating, you lose a game, and the change is basically flipping who the 11th and 12th forwards are and who the 6th dman is.

Would I be surprised if Chytil, Laf and Kakko all see time in the press box in a long playoff run? Not really

Agree with you Goodrow is never coming out.

 

[DudMan28]

You make a strong case.

It's a small sample and like I said before, I'm going on years of Nemeth posting strong defensive analytics.

Mostly what these stats told me was that Lundkvist got blamed for Nemeth struggling early in the year and should've gotten more time with the big club. I think fatigue is setting in for Schneider too

 

[PuckLuck3043]

You make a strong case.

It's a small sample and like I said before, I'm going on years of Nemeth posting strong defensive analytics.

But you repeatedly said Nemeth has been carrying 20yo's all year and that is the reason he hasn't looked good this year. You trying to defend his lousy play is just weird.

 

[ohbaby]

I may be mistaken as I don't get to watch many Rangers games this year and more often than not use this board to gauge player performances, but wasn't Zib being bitched about for the first half of the season for how lazy he was playing and how lost he looked on defense?

Lazy? That's one word I never heard mentioned with Zibad here at this board. And for good reason. He flies all over the ice every shift. Maybe last season with his lingering effects from COVID. This year,... he is putting on a clinic in how to play defensively. He's been like the Energizer Bunny. He keeps going and going, moving his feet. giving a 110% every time on the ice. Even when he is not putting up points on the scoreboard, he is still very noticeable breaking up plays left and right.

 

[mike14]

Why is Lindgren given interviews for the Wild?

Pretty sure that's just Tom Hardy from Taboo

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

No problem with the low shots on goal in the last 2 periods for one reason: this team reallllly likes to explore the full range of their gas pedal. Moreso than any other Ranger team I've seen in a while. I believe with 100% certainty that they let off the gas on purpose and this is not the first time they've done it. Don't know if it comes from the coaching staff or not but this is a team that's picking their spots to play not to get hurt and burn themselves out before a playoff run and I'm fine with that honestly. Especially if the results are an ugly 2 points.

For context, PIT threw 50 shots up against COL, still lost, and have to play us on Thursday. Would argue there's definitely value in how you win and lose this time of year

 

[SnowblindNYR]

No problem with the low shots on goal in the last 2 periods for one reason: this team reallllly likes to explore the full range of their gas pedal. Moreso than any other Ranger team I've seen in a while. I believe with 100% certainty that they let off the gas on purpose and this is not the first time they've done it. Don't know if it comes from the coaching staff or not but this is a team that's picking their spots to play not to get hurt and burn themselves out before a playoff run and I'm fine with that honestly. Especially if the results are an ugly 2 points.

For context, PIT threw 50 shots up against COL, still lost, and have to play us on Thursday. Would argue there's definitely value in how you win and lose this time of year

Interesting theory. On the one hand Gallant playing Gergiev every other game lends some credence to it, on the other hand that seems overly optimistic. They're purposely not playing well to save themselves for the postseason?

 

[Mugless]

Schneider is gonna be a problem when he gets his man strength.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Interesting theory. On the one hand Gallant playing Gergiev every other game lends some credence to it, on the other hand that seems overly optimistic. They're purposely not playing well to save themselves for the postseason?

Exactly like you said, it makes sense with Gallant rolling Georgiev more often. Everyone knows he won't see a single start in the playoffs.

You can tell when let off. They stop trying to take the body, stop finishing checks, lighten up on the forecheck. It's actually really obvious in a lot of cases. Look at what happened to Vesey tonight for instance; when you finish a check, jammed up his knee. This strategy is huge in the UFC; the best fighters manage their gas tank at an elite level and pick their spots to exert 100% energy. Not saying the two sports are the same by any stretch but this has been going on in sports for a while now. It also explains the first periods where we come out flying and then throttle back. I don't think they're not trying to play well, I think they're trying to win games smarter. It doesn't always work, see the last game against the Debbies

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Exactly like you said, it makes sense with Gallant rolling Georgiev more often. Everyone knows he won't see a single start in the playoffs.

You can tell when let off. They stop trying to take the body, stop finishing checks, lighten up on the forecheck. It's actually really obvious in a lot of cases. Look at what happened to Vesey tonight for instance; when you finish a check, jammed up his knee. This strategy is huge in the UFC; the best fighters manage their gas tank at an elite level and pick their spots to exert 100% energy. Not saying the two sports are the same by any stretch but this has been going on in sports for a while now. It also explains the first periods where we come out flying and then throttle back. I don't think they're not trying to play well, I think they're trying to win games smarter. It doesn't always work, see the last game against the Debbies

But they didn't not work hard this game. If anything they probably could have worked less hard on the defensive end if they got some forecheck going.

 

[ohbaby]

I normally don't complain after wins, but I'm sorry 4 shots on goal in the last 2 periods isn't getting it done against a non-AHL team.

We had 46 shots on net last game and lost. And so your point is what? You should know by now,... defense is the name of the game. SOG mean diddlysquat.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

But they didn't not work hard this game. If anything they probably could have worked less hard on the defensive end if they got some forecheck going.

I saw a significant drop in intensity the last two periods. I think we're going to see a really good team in the playoffs when they're going 110%.

Or I could be totally wrong and this what they look like going 110% for 60 minutes

 

[ohbaby]

it doesnt matter how bad my day is, seeing henrik will always make me smile with the amazing memories he gave us all.

He is turning out to be a great MSG commentator. So smart about the game. I didn't think anyone could compete with Vally. But now,... I actually look forward more to what Hank has to say.

His insight tonight,... on how when everyone is skating, it's easier for players to know what to do away from the puck is brilliant.

When the forwards are coming back hard (skating),... it allows the D-men to step up like Schneider did laying out that guy in the neutral zone.

 

[ohbaby]

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Man that beatdown by Schneider was brutal. I could swear I heard Sharangovich yelling No Mas, No Mas through the TV screen. He did not return after that.

 

[Unpredictable1]

He should never have been signed to that contract, he was every bit as bad as he is here in Colorado in the playoffs. I haven't minded a lot of the additions Drury has made, this one baffled me, and then doubling down on it by not getting a LD replacement for him at the deadline was mindboggling. I dont know what the answer is amongst what we have but it isn't him. I'm not a fan of Braun on his off side, it seemed like he kept wandering across to the other side and Schneider and him would switch sides at times. Maybe a few more games there and things run smoother? I haven't watched Robertson this year has he been reliable in Hartford?

While I don't have a problem with Nemeth or disliked the signing, I'm probably going to rewatch the game tomorrow because only till the 3rd did it seem very glaring to me how much Schneider adjusted to what Braun was doing when he wandered. (I didn't think it was as noticeable in earlier frames)

I'm not saying this as a knock on Braun, but like you said we have a guy on a new team playing his second or third game and now on the wrong side of what he's done for years... vs the kid whose only NHL experience is this team and for 30ish games making sure he's where he's told he's supposed to be...

I really liked Braun tonight and was glad when we got him.

 

[Unpredictable1]

Not according to Avs fans. They were very happy to see him go and were not very complimentary of his play.

I have to admit I'm still very ok with him, he can play heavy which I really like - but I do recall there was one real bad gaffe in the playoffs with Colorado that fans got on him. Most likely not entirely warranted.

I still think the biggest mistake on Colorado that year is thinking they had enough/proper goaltending.

I'm definitely ok with Nemeth in the mix for a playoff run in a bottom pairing scenario. But to have any situation that involves not having Schneider in the lineup at this point is asinine.

He singlehanded dismantled the Devils roster tonight after we were completely embarrassed by them last game as a bottom feeder, RIVAL team. You reward shit. IMO

@PuckLuck3043 second half of this post is just a general post - cheers man!

 

[Unpredictable1]

I don't want Nils/Schneider out of the lineup because they're young, I want them out of the lineup because they suck right now (and they're great prospects, I'm going to keep repeating that so this doesn't get twisted around).

Jones has been excellent in his limited time. He's better than Nemeth.

I never said Nemeth was great. I think he's currently better than Schneider and Rangers fans have their dogma on Nemeth and that's that. I don't think he's gotten a fair shake from the fans.

This is some serious "out-there" kinda shit for me, but I'm going to respect your opinion on it. We're so far apart I'm going to save us the time and anguish of going back and forth because we'll never see eye to eye on it, and that's, O.K.

And in case you missed it, I like Nemeth being in the mix. I really do.

Cheers man!

EDIT: I 100% agree with you on Jones vs Nemeth. I'd have Schneider/Jones there for a good stretch. (really liked Jones save for the frequent drop pass/between legs to the opposite team Cheers man.

 

[Unpredictable1]

Obviously Schneider didn't like sitting last game. LOL

Damn can this kid drop the gloves. How can you not love that? A huge Hit, his best impression of a rock'em sock'em robot, and setting up his D partner for his first in a Rangers uniform, is a pretty excellent return to action.

You can say the same for Ryan Strome too.

But I think the first star goes to our leader, who did not have a point in the game, Mika Zibanejad. If ever there was an instructional video, in how to play a 200 foot game, all you need to do is watch his game tonight. He was flawless. He has to get some votes this year for the Selke Trophy. It would be criminal if he didn't.

And as I said like ten games ago, when we still had 3 games left against the Canes,... that we had a real possibility to catch them, with our favorable schedule and head to head battles with them. We are now only 2 points behind. The Canes do have a game in hand, but we still have two games with them with 11 games left. It could go down to the wire.

Zibby was a god damn octopus tonight. hard hustle (he's been in playoff mode for a bit now) and it seemed like he had 50 ft wingspan on pucks.

 

[Unpredictable1]

No problem with the low shots on goal in the last 2 periods for one reason: this team reallllly likes to explore the full range of their gas pedal. Moreso than any other Ranger team I've seen in a while. I believe with 100% certainty that they let off the gas on purpose and this is not the first time they've done it. Don't know if it comes from the coaching staff or not but this is a team that's picking their spots to play not to get hurt and burn themselves out before a playoff run and I'm fine with that honestly. Especially if the results are an ugly 2 points.

For context, PIT threw 50 shots up against COL, still lost, and have to play us on Thursday. Would argue there's definitely value in how you win and lose this time of year

There's been a couple of drastic differences in play from within the game that I noticed and kinda thought some cat/mouse shit...

But hearing you type it out like that, I'm pickin up what yer puttin down.