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Player Discussion Michael Grabner

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Inferno said:
why? hes got what...13 this year? thats literally a 34G/82GP pace lol
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that's funny but there's no way he sniffs 30 this year

shot 15% in his 34 goal season and is shooting 20% right now which is almost 7% higher than his career average.

he can still fly but he doesn't get as many clearcut breakaways as he did earlier in his career when he was younger
 
an Girar i said:
that's funny but there's no way he sniffs 30 this year

shot 15% in his 34 goal season and is shooting 20% right now which is almost 7% higher than his career average.

he can still fly but he doesn't get as many clearcut breakaways as he did earlier in his career when he was younger
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Might have to rethink that!
 
Not an easy decision to make but in the expansion draft I think right now I'd kind of tilt towards protecting Grabner over Nash. The other six forwards being Stepan, Kreider, Zibanejad, Hayes, Miller and Zuccarello.

If Vegas takes Nash we have $7.8 mil to play with. And he's only signed for one more year. The cap hit and what's left of the term are maybe two reasons why they might balk at grabbing him. Nash is still a very, very good player but not quite the bang for the buck that Grabner has been. Grabner has been like Hagelin only a lot more dangerous offensively and his defensive reads maybe are a little bit shrewder. Hagelin may have better reverse and lateral gears though.

I don't know how we can give up a guy who has 19 even strength goals at the half way point and has done so much to improve our PK.
 
Half way into a season Michael Grabner has more goals than ovechkin, malkin, kane, kessel, seguin, hossa and anyone else you can think of besides FIVE guys in the entire league. 4 of which he is within 3 goals of.
 
eco's bones said:
Not an easy decision to make but in the expansion draft I think right now I'd kind of tilt towards protecting Grabner over Nash. The other six forwards being Stepan, Kreider, Zibanejad, Hayes, Miller and Zuccarello.

If Vegas takes Nash we have $7.8 mil to play with. And he's only signed for one more year. The cap hit and what's left of the term are maybe two reasons why they might balk at grabbing him. Nash is still a very, very good player but not quite the bang for the buck that Grabner has been. Grabner has been like Hagelin only a lot more dangerous offensively and his defensive reads maybe are a little bit shrewder. Hagelin may have better reverse and lateral gears though.

I don't know how we can give up a guy who has 19 even strength goals at the half way point and has done so much to improve our PK.
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Nash is NMC
 
He's been great this year but it's hard to believe that this is the player he is going forward for too long. He's shooting at a pretty crazy % and he's on pace to score more than he has in 6 years all of a sudden at age 29.

It's great that we have him during this peak but I think we have to be realistic and see that this is an extended hot streak and a case of him being with the right team at the right time. Great find for now but I'd be very, very hesitant making decisions about him looking forward especially in the long view.
 
haveandare said:
He's been great this year but it's hard to believe that this is the player he is going forward for too long. He's shooting at a pretty crazy % and he's on pace to score more than he has in 6 years all of a sudden at age 29.

It's great that we have him during this peak but I think we have to be realistic and see that this is an extended hot streak and a case of him being with the right team at the right time. Great find for now but I'd be very, very hesitant making decisions about him looking forward especially in the long view.
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I agree with this view. The chances of a scoring reversion is pretty good. He looks to be a good third line player, but I would be hesitant to think of him as anything but.
 
I'd want him back for next season but not to give him a long term contract after that...
 
haveandare said:
He's been great this year but it's hard to believe that this is the player he is going forward for too long. He's shooting at a pretty crazy % and he's on pace to score more than he has in 6 years all of a sudden at age 29.

It's great that we have him during this peak but I think we have to be realistic and see that this is an extended hot streak and a case of him being with the right team at the right time. Great find for now but I'd be very, very hesitant making decisions about him looking forward especially in the long view.
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He's been injured for several years now. Probably the first year he's been actually healthy in a long time. See jagr after his shoulder surgery but on a smaller scale, obviously.
 
The Lunatic Fridge said:
See jagr after his shoulder surgery but on a smaller scale, obviously.
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Yes, but Jagr had quite the track record.

I like Grabner. But I highly doubt that he has morphed into a 25-30 goal scorer. Good third line player, but not top-6. And again, my expectation is the there is a goal scoring regression coming in the second half.
 
True Blue said:
Yes, but Jagr had quite the track record.

I like Grabner. But I highly doubt that he has morphed into a 25-30 goal scorer. Good third line player, but not top-6. And again, my expectation is the there is a goal scoring regression coming in the second half.
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Grabner has always been a scorer...a somewhat streaky scorer at that. At every level he played at he put the puck in the net. WHL, AHL, Olympics, NHL...you name it, he scored there. In the NHL he had as many down years as he had up years, but I think it is very much possible that the worst is behind him and he could become a consistent 20+ goals scorer with potential for more if the system suits him and the coach believes in him.

His first three years in the NHL he scored 34, 20 and 16 (in 45 games! Lockout season) before regressing to 12, 8 (only 34 games - injuries) and 9 goals in 80 games last year with Toronto. This year is his fourth season in his career where he is at least in the upper half of goal scorers among the entire league. Does it still look like such a long shot for him to have more 20+ goal seasons in the future?

Remember that this is the first time in a long while where he is a) healthy and b) playing on a decent team headed for the playoffs. He has only played 8 playoff games total (and has 5 points in them). The Islanders threw him out when they were about to get good and we all know why the Leafs played him on the first line (which is not where he belongs).

As a complimentary piece on an already good roster Grabner can be worth a lot to a team and I firmly believe he will excel in such a role on a consistent basis. He has the wheels, he has the shot and awareness for sure. All he needs is confidence and a role that fits him which is exactly what's been happening in NY this season. This is not a fluke.
 
MrRuin said:
His first three years in the NHL he scored 34, 20 and 16 (in 45 games! Lockout season) before regressing to 12, 8 (only 34 games - injuries) and 9 goals in 80 games last year with Toronto. This year is his fourth season in his career where he is at least in the upper half of goal scorers among the entire league. Does it still look like such a long shot for him to have more 20+ goal seasons in the future?
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In my view, yes. This year not withstanding of course. He is not over the hill, but His goal scoring and health lead to a lot of questions. I would have my doubts if he is capable of repeating the scoring that we have seen this year.
As a complimentary piece on an already good roster Grabner can be worth a lot to a team and I firmly believe he will excel in such a role on a consistent basis. He has the wheels, he has the shot and awareness for sure. All he needs is confidence and a role that fits him which is exactly what's been happening in NY this season. This is not a fluke.
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I am not debating his value or his role. Both his production and his recent production as well as his history point to this season being an outlier over the near and mid term horizon.
 
eco's bones said:
Not an easy decision to make but in the expansion draft I think right now I'd kind of tilt towards protecting Grabner over Nash. The other six forwards being Stepan, Kreider, Zibanejad, Hayes, Miller and Zuccarello.

If Vegas takes Nash we have $7.8 mil to play with. And he's only signed for one more year. The cap hit and what's left of the term are maybe two reasons why they might balk at grabbing him. Nash is still a very, very good player but not quite the bang for the buck that Grabner has been. Grabner has been like Hagelin only a lot more dangerous offensively and his defensive reads maybe are a little bit shrewder. Hagelin may have better reverse and lateral gears though.

I don't know how we can give up a guy who has 19 even strength goals at the half way point and has done so much to improve our PK.
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It's too bad we don't have that option.

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016...h-in-expansion-draft-las-vegas-golden-knights
 
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