Meier knee Necas

Neil Racki

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Any word on if Necas will receive an Oscar nomination for his performance?
His knee bent in a way that knees normally dont like being bended.

Any player in the league would have stayed down after that.

I 100% understand saying no penalty .. but I 100% dont understand the diving opinion. Dudes knee was facing east.
 

NyQuil

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Since you clearly have nothing better to do with your time - how many kneeing majors have been handed out over that period of time?

TIA for researching it for me.

2024-2025:
-Timo Meier NJD - no suspension
-Nikita Kucherov TBL - no suspension
-Maveric Lamoreux UTA - no suspension

2023-2024:
-Ryan Strome ANA - no suspension

2022-2023:
-Mason Shaw MIN - suspended 2 games

2021-2022:
-Kurtis MacDermaid COL - no suspension
-Ian Cole CAR - no suspension
-Scott Mayfield NYI - no suspension
-Mark Borowiecki NAS - no suspension
-Jani Hakanpaa DAL - no suspension

Two guys got fines under $5K (Cole, MacDermaid)


I’m not sure where the idea that a major without a suspension isn’t an actual penalty comes from.

It’s a pretty hefty punishment on its own and is clearly sufficient in most cases.
 
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FlyguyOX

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2024-2025:
-Timo Meier NJD - no suspension
-Nikita Kucherov TBL - no suspension
-Maveric Lamoreux -UTA - no suspension

2023-2024:
-Ryan Strome ANA - no suspension

2022-2023:
-Mason Shaw MIN - suspended 2 games
Kucherov one shouldn't have even been a penalty.
 

toddkaz

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His knee bent in a way that knees normally dont like being bended.

Any player in the league would have stayed down after that.

I 100% understand saying no penalty .. but I 100% dont understand the diving opinion. Dudes knee was facing east.
Checks the video.....Lots of players got up immediately.

So much for this unsubstantiated claim.
 

tarheelhockey

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But they literally do. That is absolutely how the review process works and has worked for a long time.

No, they literally don’t. The rulebook specifies the exact penalties where a minor becomes a major due to injuries, and which penalties (like kneeing) are based entirely on the act with no reference to injury outcome.

The refs memorize the rulebook and are tested on it constantly. You can be damned sure that 4 of them didn’t simultaneously forget that kneeing majors are awarded based solely on the action, not on injury outcome.

If you want to say the original major was called on the ice in order to facilitate a review, then sure. We know that happens all the time, because it leads to better calls than attempting to make a judgment without the benefit of review.

But once the 4 officials circled up to discuss, and then the 2 refs took it to video review, the injury/non-injury dynamic ceased to matter. They were only looking at short slow-mi clips of what Meier did on the play, to determine whether his actions rose to the level of a major. How long Necas stayed in the locker room was completely irrelevant to the outcome of the review.

Continuing to push this narrative where a whole team of refs just started making up rules is just a bad look. That’s not how it works, and closer to conspiracy talk than real analysis.
 

Joe McGrath

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If you're lazily referencing 2009 - he probably should've flopped in that situation (a la Necas, Orlov) to draw the interference call lol
I’m referencing the fact that he embellished contact all the time - like a lot of goalies do.

Not sure how I would go about lazily referencing something that has nothing to do with anything.
 
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tapi

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We keep seeing these runs trying to take down major pieces from divisional / sc-rivals. In a way it was smart by Meier because whatever suspension he might serve will in no way affect the Devils season overall while if Necas went out for several months or even the whole season much would have been accomplished for the Devils post-season chances.
 

GIN ANTONIC

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Necas would have been down the tunnel calling his family for dramatic effect before reappearing for 4 on 4.
Wild to witness a player from your team commit maybe the most egregious dive in the history of the sport since Mike Ribeiro but then be like 'Oh ya! Well your player would have embellished that way worse... even though he didn't... but I mean theoretically he could have!'
 

Jersey Fresh

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Wild to witness a player from your team commit maybe the most egregious dive in the history of the sport since Mike Ribeiro but then be like 'Oh ya! Well your player would have embellished that way worse... even though he didn't... but I mean theoretically he could have!'
‘The most egregious dive in the history of the sport’ he says :laugh:

Dear lord. And these are the people calling Devils fans hysterical?
 

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His knee bent in a way that knees normally dont like being bended.

Any player in the league would have stayed down after that.

I 100% understand saying no penalty .. but I 100% dont understand the diving opinion. Dudes knee was facing east.

Him then immediately playing 3.5 mins of the 5 minute major is kind of where the “overdramatic performance” narrative comes in.
 

GIN ANTONIC

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‘The most egregious dive in the history of the sport’ he says :laugh:

Dear lord. And these are the people calling Devils fans hysterical?
Post some worse dives then. That one is an all timer

@Jersey Fresh - appreciate you hitting the laugh button considering we’re discussing a play where a NJ Devil is acting like an absolute clown. Very on brand
 

ZachaFlockaFlame

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This is the team you root for right?



Sorry, can't forget your captain.



Blandisi was hated in this fanbase for doing that shit, so maybe try again.

Nico got penalized for diving there, so what's your point? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

You Canes fans can't even admit that your players dive for calls, it happens, but the idea that you players don't and you're this flawless team is f***ing hilarious
 

KeyserSoze81

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Him then immediately playing 3.5 mins of the 5 minute major is kind of where the “overdramatic performance” narrative comes in.
Dude, legs arent supposed to bend that way - look at the still image. He somehow miraculously did not have ligament damage, but to deny the fact that he was in severe pain (and likely thought that his season was done, if only for a few moments) is just being willingly obtuse. So he was fine a few minutes later - great. Take the issue with the refs and the league, not the guy who had his leg rotated ~75° in the wrong direction. Maybe the refs screwed you out of a couple points - they screw everything up for everyone. It is not a unique experience. Colin Campbell is still in charge. It will continue to suck ad infinitum.
 

ZachaFlockaFlame

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I’m referencing the fact that he embellished contact all the time - like a lot of goalies do.

Not sure how I would go about lazily referencing something that has nothing to do with anything.

He embellished so much that the Canes won a playoff game off of goalie interference v the Devils when he was playing.......

Dude, legs arent supposed to bend that way - look at the still image. He somehow miraculously did not have ligament damage, but to deny the fact that he was in severe pain (and likely thought that his season was done, if only for a few moments) is just being willingly obtuse. So he was fine a few minutes later - great. Take the issue with the refs and the league, not the guy who had his leg rotated ~75° in the wrong direction.

I've had this argument with @tarheelhockey the night it happened, no one is arguing Necas felt pain or anything in the moment but the fact he comes back so quickly is what Devils fans are pissed about. Good for him that he comes back, the Canes are better with him than without but every other fanbase who sees that shit happen to their team would be pissed off equally. It went for no penalty live to a major and cost the Devils the game in regulation. Timo Meier got blasted on a hit 99% of hockey fans thought was legal in 2023, laid on the ice and didn't come back to the game. Where was the major there if we're going by "injured players" logic? Timo missed the first game v Carolina in the playoffs too while Necas was back right away.
 
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GIN ANTONIC

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Blandisi was hated in this fanbase for doing that shit, so maybe try again.

Nico got penalized for diving there, so what's your point? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

You Canes fans can't even admit that your players dive for calls, it happens, but the idea that you players don't and you're this flawless team is f***ing hilarious
Canes definitely dive for calls just like every other team in the league
 

Zippy316

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I do wonder if there should be a rule where if a major is called, the player who was hit should not be allowed to play on the resulting penalty.

The times it happens is really slim, but to watch a guy that referees called a 5 minute major for return to the bench and play 3.5 minutes of a 5 minute major is a punch in the gut to the Devils.

Without Necas laying on the ice and going to the room, that’s a 2 minute minor at most. Maybe not even a penalty since nothing was called live.
 

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