Meaningful March

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I explained that it was lame and why, this place is insufferable for fans who actually like the team and are trying to enjoy the stretch.

Anyways, I generally enjoy your posts, but this quitter crap that we’ve had to listen to since November, is just lame.

I hope we get some new fans in here to go with ownership and staff. ;)

sadly these types of forums are like Twitter…. Roughly 23% of Americans have a twitter account. 10% of those who have a Twitter account, are responsible for 80% of the tweets.

it is human nature for most people to complain much more about something, than to praise something…. And that explains why 80% of the negativity fills up forums like this, generated by the 10%.

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JD1

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How is DBC a long-term move? He might be gone by the end of next season. Also, we didn't know at the start of the season if Zub would stay with us. One year of Talbot, one year of Zub (thankfully he extended, but we're talking about the situation when the moves for Talbot and DBC were made), 2 years of DBC, 2.5 years of Chychrun don't sound like long-term moves to me.

People outside the org having the team in the 80-95 range is very realistic; but that doesn't mean that's what the team itself was planning to achieve with the moves they made. If anything, it is an indictment of the decisions that were made.

Now mind you with better luck with injuries the plan would have succeeded.
Well, there's a pretty big difference between roster turnover in the NHL and fan postings of projected lineups.

Fans post lineups all the time that consist of known assets, meanwhile two years in the NHL is a lifetime

In the reality of the NHL, DeBrincat and Chychrun are long term.

From Tampa Bay's cup winning team in 2021, 6 of their top 12 scorers are no longer there.
 

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They all fit the core age group, just because a contract expires doesn't mean acquiring them isn't a long term plan, weird to assume we don't plan on re-signing Chychrun and DeBrincat. I get some arguing why we shouldn't re-sign DeBrincat, but I don't think the team makes that move without planing to keep him in the fold.

as for assuming the team doesn't have realistic expectations when they outright said what their expectations were (and you admit that it is realistic) is once again odd,

Fans of this team have PTSD, always assuming the worst scenario...
True, but there was always the path and possibility that Debrincat would just take his Qualifying Offer and then go to free agency. There are several different paths this could take of course, and I don't doubt that the Senators "hoped" they could sign him and that he would be here longer than 2 years.
 

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I explained that it was lame and why, this place is insufferable for fans who actually like the team and are trying to enjoy the stretch.

Anyways, I generally enjoy your posts, but this quitter crap that we’ve had to listen to since November, is just lame.

I hope we get some new fans in here to go with ownership and staff. ;)
Not a big surprise that a group of people collecting or posting on an Internet website would have different ideas. Far weirder to go to a site like this and think that everyone is going to think the same way imo. Everyone is just posting their opinions. There is no righteous definitions that anyone can impose about what constitutes being a good fan.
 
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Micklebot

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True, but there was always the path and possibility that Debrincat would just take his Qualifying Offer and then go to free agency. There are several different paths this could take of course, and I don't doubt that the Senators "hoped" they could sign him and that he would be here longer than 2 years.
I plan to win Miss Universe, doesn't mean my plan is going to work out. We'll see if re-signing DBC is going to happen or if it's even a good idea. In the meantime, I'm looking at the RFA and FA situation of players at the beginning of the season (Talbot UFA-to-be, Zub UFA-to-be, DBC RFA-to-be) and that doesn't sound like long-term planning to me.
Your moving off of what I said.

The moves were made with the long term in mind, that was my point, they all realistically (unlike your miss universe aspirations) can be long term solutions that build towards short, medium and long term success.

If you want to argue re-signing DeBrincat may not be a good idea, that's fair, but the move is no different than acquiring Bobby Ryan, it was a long term solution (which in Ryan's case didn't work out). We could have traded for Fiala, signed him to a 7 year deal and have him demand a trade the very season, (similar to Heatley), anything can happen, but we likely acquired DeBrincat as a longer term solution.

As for your second paragraph: the team may have said "meaningful March", but the moves screamed "playoffs" to me; only way those moves made sense. Were playoffs realistic? IMO yes, and this is why I am disappointed at the outcome of the season. My supposed PTSD seems to have made me a more optimistic fan than you then! :)
Again, DeBrincat and Chychrun could be here for the next 7 years or more, I'm sure the team would love to make that happen, they were acquisitions that screamed building towards the future and filling medium term gaps that our prospect pool wasn't capable of doing, this wasn't going out and getting soon to be UFAs or fillers.

All this to say, the bar of "meaningful March" is not only too low, but it's not consistent with the moves they made.
Without the moves they made, the bar would have been realistically set at top 10 pick, possibly worse. You say it's inconsistent with the moves but third party observers pegged us as being where we are with those moves in mind,

The reality is the east is a very competitive conference, to the point that Washington and the Pens could both miss the playoffs, playoffs would have been a moonshot goal, even with all the additions, and unbiased (or at least outside of sens fans) observers all seemed to point to that with their preseason projections.
 

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So the same people who said the season was over in November and then said the season was over in January are now saying the season is over. Thanks for your expert input guys! How would the rest of us smooth brains know what to think without your never-ending negativity?
At this point it admittedly looks bleak with our best case pts total aligning with the current wild card holders projected totals. We could go on a 8 game winning streak (9 if you count last night's win) but we still need lots of help to get in.

I don't think it's being negative to suggest the season is over at this point but I won't bemoan anyone still holding out and hoping for a mini miracle run.
 
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At this point it admittedly looks bleak with our best case pts total aligning with the current wild card holders projected totals. We could go on a 8 game winning streak (9 if you count last night's win) but we still need lots of help to get in.

I don't think it's being negative to suggest the season is over at this point but I won't bemoan anyone still holding out and hoping for a mini miracle run.
The point I was making is that the same people lamenting the last week to 10 days of the season have been the ones lamenting all year long. Of course the math is super against us at this point and there's really not much hope but the ones being the loudest about it have been consistently loud at every downturn this year. What I don't understand is why they feel the need to constantly repeat the same negativities over and over and over again. We get it. Everything sucks, the team is lead by morons, the coach is a f***ing pylon, yadda yadda yadda. I think we've all got the message at this point.
 

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So the same people who said the season was over in November and then said the season was over in January are now saying the season is over. Thanks for your expert input guys! How would the rest of us smooth brains know what to think without your never-ending negativity?
See ***
At this point it admittedly looks bleak with our best case pts total aligning with the current wild card holders projected totals. We could go on a 8 game winning streak (9 if you count last night's win) but we still need lots of help to get in.

I don't think it's being negative to suggest the season is over at this point but I won't bemoan anyone still holding out and hoping for a mini miracle run.
*** And, there's stats about being in playoff position (or not) at American Thanksgiving. Is there some kind of travesty about bringing that up?

And again, not sure why anyone doesn't expect to see a wide range of differing opinions on an internet discussion board.
 

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The point I was making is that the same people lamenting the last week to 10 days of the season have been the ones lamenting all year long. Of course the math is super against us at this point and there's really not much hope but the ones being the loudest about it have been consistently loud at every downturn this year. What I don't understand is why they feel the need to constantly repeat the same negativities over and over and over again. We get it. Everything sucks, the team is lead by morons, the coach is a f***ing pylon, yadda yadda yadda. I think we've all got the message at this point.
Everyone uses the forum their own way, some use it as a place to vent, others are only here to cheerlead, it all has its place. I try not to get worked up about how others choose to use this space so long as it stays respectful.
 

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Everyone uses the forum their own way, some use it as a place to vent, others are only here to cheerlead, it all has its place. I try not to get worked up about how others choose to use this space so long as it stays respectful.
I like the ones that think it contributes in some way by posting about what other posters post best. I hope this kind of behavior is never discouraged.
 

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Fact of the matter is the players are not giving up. And they are playing to make the playoffs. None of these guys have ever cared this much. And this is not bering a pro. This is not Nashville who were selling off and they are still hanging around, playing with no pressure because management pulled the plug. Nashvilles isn't going to learn anything from this.,

Ottawa is playing with pressure. March 30 can be a huge game with a little help, they could be 3 points out. All the teams in the wildcard race are looking tired and ragged. Everyone is kinda losing, except the NYI who are starting to get into a groove.
 
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The point I was making is that the same people lamenting the last week to 10 days of the season have been the ones lamenting all year long. Of course the math is super against us at this point and there's really not much hope but the ones being the loudest about it have been consistently loud at every downturn this year. What I don't understand is why they feel the need to constantly repeat the same negativities over and over and over again. We get it. Everything sucks, the team is lead by morons, the coach is a f***ing pylon, yadda yadda yadda. I think we've all got the message at this point.

The team is actually pretty good which is why November and the West Coast implosion suck so much. You can see how close this team was to the postseason this year.
 
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I explained that it was lame and why, this place is insufferable for fans who actually like the team and are trying to enjoy the stretch.

Anyways, I generally enjoy your posts, but this quitter crap that we’ve had to listen to since November, is just lame.

I hope we get some new fans in here to go with ownership and staff. ;)
The team has done a lot of good things this year. That much is obvious and it's not like previous years. I have praised aspects of their season a ton this year, we just disagree on some things.

I didn't think it was negative to question why the top story on TSN appeared to be about a teams playoff chances that I don't see when I look at the standings. There was other context too and I said as much in a follow up.

I've never understood why so many teams get framed like they're in the race. I look at the standings this morning and I see very little left up for grabs. Even feels like Florida pissed away their chance with yesterdays loss. I am not ever going to be someone that looks at the standings, sees my team 5 points (7 when I posted yesterday) back of a team that holds a game in hand and the tiebreaker with ~7 games left and talk like they're in it. Just does not compute.
 

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I woke up this morning to see the highlights.. Both TSN and Sportsnet showed the extended highlights,, made a huge fuss about the Tkachuk Bowl.

A great highlight was the chant "Brady's better"... And they panned the audience.

Strange, it sure looked like a whole heck of a lot of fans came disguised as empty seats!!!! Now they have the attendance at 17,618 in a building now modified to accept ~ 18500...

so ~ 900 less fans... or about 5% of capacity!!!!

Did a whole heck of a lot of fans go take a piss at the time of the chant? Man did you miss something? I thought that the "woosh" sound I heard was the truck flying down the adjacent road... No, it was 4000-5000 people flushing at once.

Brady's Better!!! Flush, wash your hands, go back to your seat. You missed something fun.
 

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I woke up this morning to see the highlights.. Both TSN and Sportsnet showed the extended highlights,, made a huge fuss about the Tkachuk Bowl.

A great highlight was the chant "Brady's better"... And they panned the audience.

Strange, it sure looked like a whole heck of a lot of fans came disguised as empty seats!!!! Now they have the attendance at 17,618 in a building now modified to accept ~ 18500...

so ~ 900 less fans... or about 5% of capacity!!!!

Did a whole heck of a lot of fans go take a piss at the time of the chant? Man did you miss something? I thought that the "woosh" sound I heard was the truck flying down the adjacent road... No, it was 4000-5000 people flushing at once.

Brady's Better!!! Flush, wash your hands, go back to your seat. You missed something fun.
What a strange rant
 

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What a strange rant
are you guys back to wallpapering the place because of the pending sale?

Ohh those Melnyk girls, another 20-30 M in loses this year!!! Ouch

Let's hope the buzz is correct and an even 1 B is the price. Funny how attendance has jumped 10 K a game.. Yet I watch and lots of empty seats...
 

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I woke up this morning to see the highlights.. Both TSN and Sportsnet showed the extended highlights,, made a huge fuss about the Tkachuk Bowl.

A great highlight was the chant "Brady's better"... And they panned the audience.

Strange, it sure looked like a whole heck of a lot of fans came disguised as empty seats!!!! Now they have the attendance at 17,618 in a building now modified to accept ~ 18500...

so ~ 900 less fans... or about 5% of capacity!!!!

Did a whole heck of a lot of fans go take a piss at the time of the chant? Man did you miss something? I thought that the "woosh" sound I heard was the truck flying down the adjacent road... No, it was 4000-5000 people flushing at once.

Brady's Better!!! Flush, wash your hands, go back to your seat. You missed something fun.
Well you missed the anthems when it looked nearly full, choosing a TV timeout not the best time. So 17,600 seemed pretty accurate.
Or the other time when the Brady chant started the last couple of minutes. Where fans filed out.

are you guys back to wallpapering the place because of the pending sale?

Ohh those Melnyk girls, another 20-30 M in loses this year!!! Ouch

Let's hope the buzz is correct and an even 1 B is the price. Funny how attendance has jumped 10 K a game.. Yet I watch and lots of empty seats...
Funny how you can be wrong so often.
 
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So the same people who said the season was over in November and then said the season was over in January are now saying the season is over. Thanks for your expert input guys! How would the rest of us smooth brains know what to think without your never-ending negativity?
They said the season was over when we were 6 points out with 3 games in hand because a site said we had x%.

They wouldn’t even classify those games in hand as meaningful lol…
 

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Well you missed the anthems when it looked nearly full, choosing a TV timeout not the best time. So 17,600 seemed pretty accurate. So ya you’d be wrong.


Funny how you can be wrong so often.
Attendance was 16, 042 for the game according to the gamesheet, not clear where 17.6 is coming from,
 
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Attendance was 16, 042 for the game according to the gamesheet, not clear where 17.6 is coming from,


Took it from the quote I posted, guess you didn’t see or read that part, is all I can think of.
 
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Micklebot

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Attendance was 16, 042 for the game according to the gamesheet, not clear where 17.6 is coming from,


Took it from the quote I posted, guess you didn’t see or read that part, is all I can think of.
Right, I actually meant not sure where he got that number from, sry for the confusion, probably should have quoted him
 
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Not a big surprise that a group of people collecting or posting on an Internet website would have different ideas. Far weirder to go to a site like this and think that everyone is going to think the same way imo. Everyone is just posting their opinions. There is no righteous definitions that anyone can impose about what constitutes being a good fan.
I never said he was a bad fan (I quite enjoy the poster I was bickering with), or anyone for that matter, nor am I in anyway stunned that there are varying opinions.

I did say that it’s sucks to have to fight through your own fellow Sens fans to try and enjoy the stretch run while we’re still on the fringes of the chase.

There has been a fair amount of mocking of fans who are still enjoying holding out hope, indeed for months now, I’m not really sure why a little push back is so offensive.

One can’t be outspoken and then play victim when others respond in kind. Not in my world anyways.
 

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