Confirmed with Link: McDonagh + Miller to Tampa Bay for Namestnikov + Howden + Hajek + 2018 1st + conditional 2019 1st

[One Winged Angel]

I can’t say I ever saw Mittelstadt’s overall ceiling as being elite. I see him a level below that.

I always explained it and viewed it this way - Mittelstadt’s upside is in the 25-30 goal, 60-65 point range. Andersson’s upside is in the 20-25 goal, 55-60 point range.

So if Mittelstadt hits the higher end of his ceiling, and Andersson the lower end, that gap looks more noticeable. But if both guys hit closer to either end, be it the low end or the high end, are the extra 5 some odd goals/points worth more than the other elements Andersson brings?

Was never quite sold on that. Though I think both are excellent prospects.

I agree that Andersson is and most likely will be a better all around player.

However, I think Middlestadt could be a 30+ goal, 70+ point player. You're right, not exactly elite per say, but right below that.

I mean I hope I'm wrong and Lias is the 25+ goal 60 point Swedish version of Bergeron. Petterstrom was the guy I think the Rangers wanted and I think in scouting him had ended up scouting Andersson along the way and drafted him because of their familiarity with him.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Poile traded down when he coulda gotten ek65 to draft a nobody.....poile have up a first for...damn it his name is escaping me..but a face off specialist.

Poile had some awwwfffuullll moves.

Paul Gaustad. He gave up a 1st for Paul Gaustad.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I really don't think Chytil was a huge swing. I think he's a gem there. He would have went higher this year than he did last. I think he could have went even higher last year.

I mean, I believe Chytil was ranked in the 40s most places and the highest at 31 by Bob McKenzie. The Rangers took him at 21 while other higher ranked players were still on the board. That's a pretty big swing I think, to take a guy generally considered to be a second rounder at 21 overall.

 

[Edge]

Circling back, I think the point is that I don’t know if I would go as far as to say the Rangers wouldn’t be willing to role the dice on a boom/bust prospect in the right situation.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I mean, I believe Chytil was ranked in the 40s most places and the highest at 31 by Bob McKenzie. The Rangers took him at 21 while other higher ranked players were still on the board. That's a pretty big swing I think, to take a guy generally considered to be a second rounder at 21 overall.

Beyond this, the Rangers had a deal in place to draft Keller 4th overall in 2016. That would have been a massive swing met with mass hysteria on these boards.

As it turns out, they would have got that one right.

 

[Edge]

I mean, I believe Chytil was ranked in the 40s most places and the highest at 31 by Bob McKenzie. The Rangers took him at 21 while other higher ranked players were still on the board. That's a pretty big swing I think, to take a guy generally considered to be a second rounder at 21 overall.

Chytil to me was more of a boom/bust pick and a pretty hefty swing.

Do they do it without nabbing Andersson 7th? I don’t really know.

But I could easily see a similar situation this draft.

Going with a guy they feel confident is going to be a player with the top pick, and then taking swings on talents they like later.

I don’t know if that’s caution, so much as not wanting to biff the layups before busting out with the potential highlight reel dunks.

 

[JT Kreider]

Isn't it just lovely to see what Staal is doing right now after how dead in the water he seemed with us? As if there was anymore doubt that AV was holding back McDonagh, Miller and everyone else.

 

[Beacon]

Rykov+Lindgren is equal to Hajek? On what basis? Everyone here is just forgetting about Rykov.

He had just as good of a WJC in 2017 as Hajek had in 2018. The guy played over 20 minutes today for a hockey team that is probably better than the current Rangers. Hajek plays against kids.

So you think Rykov alone = Hajek?

 

[Beacon]

What scared me most about this trade is the Tampa fans claiming Names is just trash, a product of playing with 2 stars. If Names=Miller, if it's a separate trade the Rangers decided to do when the real offer for McD was Hajek, Howden, #1, and #1/2, it's not bad. It's a bad offer if that's the future we get plus we downgrade from a second liner to a trash player. But if that's the trade for McDonagh and especially if TBL wins the Cup, 2 A- prospects and a pair of first round picks is a pretty good return. Some are saying Names > Miller. I doubt it, but if they are similar in value, this is not horrible.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

So you think Rykov alone = Hajek?

Rykov is better than Hajek, in my opinion. I think its close, but I think he's better.

Rykov, Hajek, Lindgren in that order.

 

[egelband]

Rykov is better than Hajek, in my opinion. I think its close, but I think he's better.

Rykov, Hajek, Lindgren in that order.

Hope you’re right. All the opinions I’ve heard are that Hajek is the best of the three followed at a fair distance by Lindgren and Rykov.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Pronman who I tend to agree with more than most people around here because of similar methods of player evaluation, has Rykov the highest of all the prospects we acquired at the trade deadline. None made his recent top 50, Rykov was in the Honorable Mentions.

I'm not sure whether I'd have Rykov or Howden higher. I think its close, I probably would have Rykov higher, but I'm not sure. The other two are below those two, in my opinion. I think Lindgren is way below. Hajek has been getting more hype recently, but whether he adds offense will determine his ceiling, in my opinion.

I think Rykov gets underrated because of where he plays his hockey. If you look at what he's done since he was 16 or 17, he's been one of the best defenseman there is in his draft class just about every year. And as I've mentioned before so I don't sound like a hypocrite with my comments about our fans increasing players ceilings once they are traded to the Rangers, I've been a big fan of Rykov since before he was drafted. I think there was Russian factor at play with him not getting drafted in his first draft, and early in that draft. And I think there's Russian factor at play with people having Lindgren and Hajek ahead of Rykov.

 

[egelband]

I think Lindgren is way below. Hajek has been getting more hype recently, but whether he adds offense will determine his ceiling, in my opinion.

That’s also my sense. Lindgren sounds pretty vanilla. From the opinions I’ve heard. Just how I’ve been collating the opinions in my head, though. I’ve never seen these guys.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Would the following three statements be fair to say?

1. Hajek has the slightly higher boom potential.
2. Their realistic potentials are each pretty similar.
3. Rykov's floor is much higher.

Just between Rykov and Hajek.

 

[egelband]

Would the following three statements be fair to say?

1. Hajek has the slightly higher boom potential.
2. Their realistic potentials are each pretty similar.
3. Rykov's floor is much higher.

Just between Rykov and Hajek.

The thing I heard about Rykov is that he actually hasn’t much improved in the past year-n-a-half. But again. Who knows.

 

[Alluckks]

I didn't follow last year's draft, but it seems like Tippett and Vilardi were seen as having higher upside than Lias. Either way, I'd have preferred someone less safe. He was literally the safest guy on the board at #7.

Full stop.

 

[pld459666]

Would look behind the NYR bench

That as well. No doubt

 

[tradenashnow]

"The Rangers had become convinced J.T. Miller’s coachability issues were not linked to Vigneault and they were concerned he had regressed in his work habits and off-ice preparation, according to individuals familiar with the inner dynamic.
As such, they were not going to grant Miller, an upcoming restricted free agent with arbitration rights, the long-term deal for between $5 million and $5.4 million per season that would have been required to keep him off the open market following next season. Had the parties gone to arbitration on a one-year deal, Miller likely would have been in the $4.5 million range during what would have been his walk season. That was the impetus behind the decision to include him in the deal with the Lightning."

A player that lazy in a contract year. Stay away. Very far away. Lazy at 24. Don't let the door hit you on the way out and stay far away from all the teams 19 to 22 year old kids coming up. If Buchnevich doesn't get his head out of his butt and develop a consistent work ethic, send him out the door as well.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I've been done with jt Miller for a while now...I'm not even all that mad he's gone.... @silverfish was 100% right

Now you’ve done it.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I mean, I believe Chytil was ranked in the 40s most places and the highest at 31 by Bob McKenzie. The Rangers took him at 21 while other higher ranked players were still on the board. That's a pretty big swing I think, to take a guy generally considered to be a second rounder at 21 overall.

I can't remember if it was last year's draft or a previous one but wasn't there 20 or so players that were interchangeable after the top 20 selected?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The irony is that I'm pretty much the ONLY person here who watches prospects, with the exception of the poster Pavel Buchnevich who seems to watch the KHL (a few who used to watch Hartford stopped). Don't believe me? Link to one post where someone discusses actual things prospects did in games such as hit the goal post or blow defensive coverage? There's none. All "discussions" of prospects are scouting reports combined with stats: "Has a hard shot, bad skater, but really improved his offense this year."

Do you see anyone discuss games they watch (NHL, WJC) this way? Do you see someone after a game declare, "Kreider is a fast skater with size and a good shot"? Or do they discuss how he first took a dumb penalty, but then screened the goalie for a goal on which he got no points, but was crucial in making it happen? Not one person here beside me knows where to buy Junior games... and if you won't buy Hartford games that are loaded with our prospects; you didn't watch SKA for free when it had our 2 top prospects (Butcher and Shesterkin), yet I am supposed to believe you pay money to watch Gettinger or Barron alone? Who are you kidding? And if you watch these prospects, how come your opinion of them never diverges from the consensus, the way it diverges for NHL players whom we know you watch?

Wow. This post. You really think you are the only one who watches prospects, based on other posters not going into full detail of what they see?

This BS will never end. It's like people accusing me of being a box-score fan because I live in Europe haha. I am pretty sure I am not the only Europe-based Rangers fan who watches games of our prospects over here. I watch most of SKA, Frolunda, TPS and Bili Tygri games because we have (or in Frolunda's case, had) a Rangers prospect play for them. I even attended games of these teams several times this season. I was lucky Frolunda played close to Vienna 3 times this season, making it a bit easier.

Don't assume people don't watch our prospects' games, just because they don't spend hours writing down in detail what our prospects did.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Accuses us of not watching prospects because we don't post play-by-plays of every game we watch. --> "I didn't follow last year's draft"

k.

 

[Irishguy42]

I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO WATCHES PROSPECTS ERGO MY CONTRIBUTIONS ARE THE ONLY VALID ONES K THNX

 

[silverfish]

I've been done with jt Miller for a while now...I'm not even all that mad he's gone.... @silverfish was 100% right

To be fair, not entirely. His on-ice impacts are garbage, and he still does some dumb shit on the ice (who doesn't), but he continues to put up points pretty consistently. I'd say I was more wrong than right about JTM, so far. I think we got a better player in Namestnikov. And I'm happy that the Rangers will avoid going long-term with Miller.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Google is drunk again