Confirmed with Link: McDonagh + Miller to Tampa Bay for Namestnikov + Howden + Hajek + 2018 1st + conditional 2019 1st

[pld459666]

Watch Miller make the leap to being elite. I just see this happening, with a new environment, a coach who might understand him better than AV did, and new linemates. Jagr was a mercurial being that JT is in similar mold to, but that doesn't mean he's not incapable of great things. Not comparing Miller to a legend like Jagr, but you give him a change of scenery and new people surrounding him, the kid has the tools.

playing with one of Stamkos or Kucherov won't have anything to do with that....not at all.

Rangers don't and haven't had anyone nearly as talented as either player. If Miller starts to light it up, I would look no further than the presence of those two gents.

 

[JayMan82]

No you didn't. What you saw was the team around him going from an elite team to a pretty bad team in short order. You saw him having to carry around the carcass of Dan Girardi and other assorted bums. The idea I have seen thrown around here that McDonagh was never the same after getting the captaincy, and he was never the same after the injuries is a revisionist narrative, and not really backed up by much evidence.

So are you saying McD dragging the corpse of Girardi as the reason why he could never raise his level to elite status like the greats in this game could, or do you think he may have peaked. My eyes are telling me he peaked (but I've been wrong before). This year, my eyes told me he was hitting a Stepan/Callahan/Nash/Staal like regression.

It's not to say that they aren't very good hockey players, but you can certainly see where the dominance starts to leave their game. Gorton and Co. picked a good time to sell on McD, but I do wish him well at Tampa just like the others.

 

[One Winged Angel]

For what it's worth, The Hockey News has us as the biggest winner this deadline and they made a list of the top-10 prospects moved and the Rangers have 4 of the 10 prospects.

 

[Edge]

Admittedly, you also hope to see one or two guys exceed expectations.

When the Rangers traded for McD, I'm not sure the line of people thinking that he was going to be our #1 defenseman was stretched around the block.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

McDonagh has been hurt and pretty bad this year. I really don't understand what people thought we would get. This was a really high quality package. Time will tell if we win this trade, but it's pretty good right now.

McDonagh is not a top 15 D-Man anymore. Maybe he will return to that level, but that remains to be seen.

 

[Beacon]

then why did we just make so many trades for defensemen prospects?

And hopefully we take 2 more in the top 10 (trade Zucc to Edmonton or whoever). Grab Boqvist and Dobson. With the next pick I really want Martin Kraut. He was a beat vs Russia in the WJC. Played on the first line with Zadina and didn't disappoint. Still makes defensive mistakes and away from the puck play is lacking, which is why he would likely drop out of the top-20, but he's one of those boom/bust projects you want for this team. He could legit become a superstar in 5 years.

The other winger I'd like to get later in the draft is Vitaly Kravtsov. He was so good in the VHL (a league somewhere between the ECHL and the AHL), he got called up to the KHL. It is incredible that a 17 year old child is playing in the world's second-best league. He has a massive offensive potential, dominating at every level in Russia: U16, U17, U18, U20. Incredibly quick hands for both shooting and stickhandling. The youngest kid to ever score a goal in the Gagarin Cup, Russia's version of the Stanley Cup. Just a ton of offensive potential here.

 

[Rangers in 7]

And hopefully we take 2 more in the top 10 (trade Zucc to Edmonton or whoever). Grab Boqvist and Dobson. With the next pick I really want Martin Kraut. He was a beat vs Russia in the WJC. Played on the first line with Zadina and didn't disappoint. Still makes defensive mistakes and away from the puck play is lacking, which is why he would likely drop out of the top-20, but he's one of those boom/bust projects you want for this team. He could legit become a superstar in 5 years.

The other winger I'd like to get later in the draft is Vitaly Kravtsov. He was so good in the VHL (a league somewhere between the ECHL and the AHL), he got called up to the KHL. It is incredible that a 17 year old child is playing in the world's second-best league. He has a massive offensive potential, dominating at every level in Russia: U16, U17, U18, U20. Incredibly quick hands for both shooting and stickhandling. The youngest kid to ever score a goal in the Gagarin Cup, Russia's version of the Stanley Cup. Just a ton of offensive potential here.

Kravtsov is who i want with the tampa pick

 

[will1066]

playing with one of Stamkos or Kucherov won't have anything to do with that....not at all.

Rangers don't and haven't had anyone nearly as talented as either player. If Miller starts to light it up, I would look no further than the presence of those two gents.

Sure, why not. Miller was one of the best passers for us. Now he has two elite finishers to feed. I see him being their playmaker who will rack up assists.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

playing with one of Stamkos or Kucherov won't have anything to do with that....not at all.

Rangers don't and haven't had anyone nearly as talented as either player. If Miller starts to light it up, I would look no further than the presence of those two gents.

Could see this happening, similar to how Callahan was a PPG player for a month and a half in 2014-15, except Miller has more staying power since you know, he doesn't suck.

 

[Alluckks]

Aleksi Saarela is a future star.

God, I remember that garbage

 

[Beacon]

Comments from my hockey friends...Hajek just keeps getting better and better, has a chance to be a top pair guy, He was traded to Regina which is hosting the Memorial Cup this year...Howden a real nice player, not likely a top liner but will definitely play in the middle six, good at a lot of things not great at anything...don’t sleep on Lindgren, he isn’t very flashy but he is a rock on defense, reminds me a little of Michael Sauer (sigh)...2018 Draft is average/slightly above average so Rangers should have good players to pick from at the back end of the first round.

Howden is the kind of high-floor player the Rangers like to get every year in the draft. Now that they got it out of the way, go get me Martin Kaut and Vitaly Kravtsov with Boston's and Tampa's picks.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Apparently a hot take: Namestnikov is a WAY better fit with Stamkos and Kucherov than Miller will be.

Namestnikov was the glue of that line. Of course Stamkos and Kucherov are going to score, but Namestnikov did a LOT of the defensive work for that line and has the skill to contribute offensively. Miller, otoh, is an utter trainwreck defensively. He's skilled enough to keep up with those guys, but isn't nearly as effective as Namestnikov.

I think Names is going to surprise some people. He's a high end complimentary piece.

 

[ponytrekker]

For what it's worth, The Hockey News has us as the biggest winner this deadline and they made a list of the top-10 prospects moved and the Rangers have 4 of the 10 prospects.

4. Of. 10.

That's like saying I am among the skinniest fat guys at Golden Corral.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I dunno, as much as I don't like AV I feel like the defense has been significantly worse with Lindy Ruff at the helm. And that's saying a lot considering I thought Beukeboom handled them poorly as well.

Then again, when you have people like Staal crawling back to the backboards in order to retrieve the puck, your options are limited. Ugh.

There’s one f***ing constant.

AV.

 

[will1066]

Can't wait to see how McD and Girardi do as a pair again.

 

[aufheben]

Apparently a hot take: Namestnikov is a WAY better fit with Stamkos and Kucherov than Miller will be.

Namestnikov was the glue of that line. Of course Stamkos and Kucherov are going to score, but Namestnikov did a LOT of the defensive work for that line and has the skill to contribute offensively. Miller, otoh, is an utter trainwreck defensively. He's skilled enough to keep up with those guys, but isn't nearly as effective as Namestnikov.

I think Names is going to surprise some people. He's a high end complimentary piece.

Yeah, obviously his point totals are inflated, but it wasn't like Stamkos and Kucherov were banking pucks in off his head.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Yeah, obviously his point totals are inflated, but it wasn't like Stamkos and Kucherov were banking pucks in off his head.

That only happens to Ulf Samuelsson.

 

[aufheben]

I'm not sure I'd even call Miller/Namestnikov a wash; would Yzerman make that trade in a vacuum?

 

[kramer987]

4. Of. 10.

That's like saying I am among the skinniest fat guys at Golden Corral.

i don't understand your analogy. we are 1 team of 31 in the league and we have 4 of the top 7 prospects meant to play in the 31-team league.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

i don't understand your analogy. we are 1 team of 31 in the league and we have 4 of the top 7 prospects meant to play in the 31-team league.

Well, these were only the prospects who were traded at the deadline

 

[nyr2k2]

It's all about alternatives and leverage from the alternatives. I think Dolan, I mean Gorton, did the team and its negotiation position a disservice by the "We are selling" announcement. If someone knows you need a job they offer you less money than if they are trying to lure you from a competitor. Similarly, if they would have taken the position saying: "we are still in the hunt but will listen to offers" (A) the team doesn't go into a funk (maybe) and (B) it drives the price up. Having as an alternative, "we may keep him and go for it" gives you leverage.

I don't buy this.

If this were the case, why did we get such a good return on Nash? Everyone and their mother knew we were looking to move Nash, that we absolutely would not be keeping him (we had sat him out a couple games in a row) and that we were unequivocally sellers in general at that point. Yet we got a good deal. How did that happen? It happened because his services were desired by a number of teams. It didn't matter that the League knew we were selling; multiple teams wanted Nash and the price went up accordingly. There was no unemployed guy looking for a job from anyone that will offer him one; there was a guy with great credentials being shopped by his employer to the competitor that would offer them the highest return. They didn't care that we were selling him; they cared that he was someone they wanted and they knew other people wanted him so they had to pony up.

The NHL is a very insular community. Teams know what other teams are doing. I'd be absolutely stunned if every team in the NHL was not aware that we would be selling prior to us telling our fans that we would be doing so. Publicly acknowledging what everyone knows internally doesn't cost you leverage. I mean, consider this: Holden, Grabner and Nash were all eligible to walk at the end of the year. And they got great returns! And yet, the one guy we didn't have to move (in your scenario, the "we may keep him" guy) somehow generated the least value in return. Probably because the market for him didn't develop as we hoped it would. Definitely not because we told our fans we'd be selling--as again, that had absolutely no impact on our ability to get good returns on the guys we HAD to sell.

 

[Beacon]

If Lindgren is actually a rock on defense, that would be great.

If he's a rock on defense the way Girardi and Staal we rocks on defense, I'm gonna have a sad time.

If Lindgren has a career like Staal or G, that would be incredible. Both will likely hit 1,000 career games or something close to it. Both in their prime were legit first pair defensemen, not 1D, but definitely 2D. At worst, most of their career before the decline had them as excellent second pair defensemen. If Lindgren plays 1,000 NHL games and over 500 of them he's a legit top-4 defenseman, this trade is an incredible win for the Rangers.

 

[Beacon]

If we signed Karlsson next off-season we can compete for the cup in less than 2 years after declaring a rebuild.
Draft Zadina. Sign Kovy.

This could be our lineup Opening Day - October 2019 - 17 months

Skjei Karlsson
Hajek Shattenkirk
Lindgren/Rykov DeAngelo/Pionk

Kreider Zib Buch
Zadina Chytil Zucc
Spooner Andersson Kovalchuk
Namestnikov Howden Fast

Or if Zucc is moved - replace that with Gusev who will be an UFA

This lineup is borderline in/out of the playoffs, even if by some miracle everyone (Shesterkin, Skjei, Hajek, Chytil, etc) all reach their ceiling, and do so within 2 years, and no vet slips and starts to get worse, nobody gets injured, nobody has an off-year. You cannot rebuild in 2 years. As things stand right now, the Rangers are arguably the worst team in the NHL (look at their record this year, and now McDonagh, Nash, Grabs and Holden are gone, while Miller is downgraded).

 

[ponytrekker]

i don't understand your analogy. we are 1 team of 31 in the league and we have 4 of the top 7 prospects meant to play in the 31-team league.

The 4 is out of prospects moved. I am skinny when compared to the other people in the buffet line at Golden Corrall. That part I can’t explain. You have to see.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

playing with one of Stamkos or Kucherov won't have anything to do with that....not at all.

Rangers don't and haven't had anyone nearly as talented as either player. If Miller starts to light it up, I would look no further than the presence of those two gents.

Would look behind the NYR bench

 

[ponytrekker]

I don't buy this.

If this were the case, why did we get such a good return on Nash?

We didn’t. We got a 3c/w who is an RFA; a lower tier prospect a reach to make the NHL; and a back of the 1st rd pick.

Better than nothing but not anything close to one of the talented young players Boston has a plethora of.