Confirmed with Link: McDonagh + Miller to Tampa Bay for Namestnikov + Howden + Hajek + 2018 1st + conditional 2019 1st

[Edge]

The more I look into Howden the more im liking this trade. If he can pan out and be a top-6 guy - he and Andersson could be big time leaders for this team. A winner and hes got size at 6'3, wow.

I think people are sleeping on him a little, and not just on here.

I give him good odds to be a top six guy based on his progress. I said that before we was ours.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Different players, different ages, different contracts.

I have to tell you that I really, firmly do not believe there was a better deal awaiting us in June. At best, it's the same deals. I believe that with 95% certainty based on my familiarity with the industry and my own experiences over the last 20+ years.

I sincerely feel that the market is what it is for McD. The Rangers talked to a lot of teams, this wasn't an expedited process by any stretch.

I get the disappointment of not getting a better return. I really do.

But I just don't think it was there to be found. There's nothing, other than the hopes of a segment of Ranger fans, to say otherwise. It's just not there. I don't know how else to say it.

I get what you are saying but I respectfully disagree. Last season everyone on the board was saying how Trouba would cost a kings ransom. Trouba is not nearly as accomplished as McD. I do believe we could have got a better return in June. The only offers coming right now are from teams with low draft choices. In June we could have got offers from teams with much better draft picks.

 

[Off Sides]

I'm fine with rebuilding. I just firmly disagree with the return. We got back almost as much for a 20 game rental of Nash as we did for McD. We should have waited till June. We could have got a top 10 pick. We got #7 for Stepan.

Stepan had term left and was traded to a team that has trouble signing players to long term deals if they can even attract them in the first place.

McD being traded to one of those teams who had a high pick, and him re-signing was not likely, and that is if they were not on his no trade list to begin with.

Same for Miller, he is pending RFA, if he does not want to sign long term, he does not have to.

I don't think teams with those super high picks were ever going to trade them for players who do not have term.

Yet at the draft if they were to move someone who has term left, and was good, they may be able to make a move similar to the Stepan trade.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Hajek has 1st pairing potential from what I've read. May be unlikely to reach it, but if he really puts it together he can certainly get there.

He is probably our main hope for this deal turning out okay but I believe we should have just waited for June. We could have been talking to teams with a lot better draft picks in June. I think we got a solid return for Nash but this deal we gave up our most accomplished player for quantity instead of quality.

 

[Alluckks]

seems to be a logjam at center and LW. Not many RW guys...

Buch, Zucc, Kovy

 

[Jim Ramsay]

I get what you are saying but I respectfully disagree. Last season everyone on the board was saying how Trouba would cost a kings ransom. Trouba is not nearly as accomplished as McD. I do believe we could have got a better return in June. The only offers coming right now are from teams with low draft choices. In June we could have got offers from teams with much better draft picks.

Teams are going to trade a middle to top of the first round draftpick for a year of McD?? Nevermind that such team couldn't be on his no-trade list? I am pretty unsure of both of those

 

[GregSirico]

I get what you are saying but I respectfully disagree. Last season everyone on the board was saying how Trouba would cost a kings ransom. Trouba is not nearly as accomplished as McD. I do believe we could have got a better return in June. The only offers coming right now are from teams with low draft choices. In June we could have got offers from teams with much better draft picks.

Right, but I think the consensus of the GM's thought Ryan has a lot of miles and injuries on him (a negative), PLUS his big pay day is coming ... those 2 factors drive the price down a bit. We all love Mac but I think 2018 Mac is not 2015 Mac.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Stepan had term left and was traded to a team that has trouble signing players to long term deals if they can even attract them in the first place.

McD being traded to one of those teams who had a high pick, and him resigning was not likely, and that is if they were not on his no trade list to begin with.

Same for Miller, he is pending RFA, if he does not want to sign long term, he does not have to.

I don't think teams with those super high picks were ever going to trade them for players who do not have term.

Yet at the draft if they were to move someone who has term left, and was good, they may be able to make a move similar to the Stepan trade.

Teams tired of being bottom feeders year after year would be interested in a legit 1st pairing Dman in June in my opinion. Stepans contract was a negative in my book while McD's was a positive. We made a mistake forcing the deal now IMO.

 

[HonestGabe]

Buch, Zucc, Kovy

Zadina *

 

[will1066]

Teams tired of being bottom feeders year after year would be interested in a legit 1st pairing Dman in June in my opinion. Stepans contract was a negative in my book while McD's was a positive. We made a mistake forcing the deal now IMO.

Good to see you posting.

 

[RGY]

The McDonagh value might have been the same or less in the Summer considering Karlsson will almost definitely be moved then. This was the right time to move him. He had not been playing anyways.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Teams are going to trade a middle to top of the first round draftpick for a year of McD??

Would not be the first, second, third or fourth time teams have dealt for a guy with one year left. They could have given McD permission to discuss and extension prior to the trade. I'm a glass half full kind of person so I understand why people want to make this McDonalds trade in to filet mignon but it is not. At the TDL you usually only hear from teams trying to make a cup run. We should have waited till June and heard from everyone.

 

[EpicDing]

He is probably our main hope for this deal turning out okay but I believe we should have just waited for June. We could have been talking to teams with a lot better draft picks in June. I think we got a solid return for Nash but this deal we gave up our most accomplished player for quantity instead of quality.

I'll agree to disagree.

Hajek has a Hjalmarsson style game, with potential to be better, Howden has the potential to be a better skating Stepan/a Kesler type (prospect guys correct me if I'm wrong, just based off what I read). Then there's the 1sts.

We traded a great piece and a good piece for 3 (4 if the 2nd becomes a first) very good pieces + Namestnikov. Quantity has a quality of its own.

 

[Off Sides]

Teams tired of being bottom feeders year after year would be interested in a legit 1st pairing Dman in June in my opinion. Stepans contract was a negative in my book while McD's was a positive. We made a mistake forcing the deal now IMO.

Those teams are gong to trade their top 10 pick for one year of McD?

Or are they going to use that pick to get a player who either has term left, or just use the pick to select a player where they hold his right to for all his entry level and rfa years?

 

[NickyFotiu]

I'll agree to disagree.

Hajek has a Hjalmarsson style game, with potential to be better, Howden has the potential to be a better skating Stepan/a Kesler type (prospect guys correct me if I'm wrong, just based off what I read). Then there's the 1sts.

We traded a great piece and a good piece for 3 (4 if the 2nd becomes a first) very good pieces + Namestnikov. Quantity has a quality of its own.

I will be shocked if Howden becomes anything close to Kessler. If he does I will say you were right and this was a good deal.

 

[E-Train]

We could have got much more in the off-season. We got the #7 pick for Stepan on a bad contract and now we will have the #30 for McD on a good contract? McD was our best trade piece and we didn't get back a top line return.

There's no way to know what the return would be at the draft. Stepan had four more years to go and a team that desperately wanted him even at that cap hit. I don't think a team is going to trade a top 10 pick for one year or McDonagh.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Right, but I think the consensus of the GM's thought Ryan has a lot of miles and injuries on him (a negative), PLUS his big pay day is coming ... those 2 factors drive the price down a bit. We all love Mac but I think 2018 Mac is not 2015 Mac.

You are right about all that but I still think we sold our best asset cheap because we were only speaking to around 4-6 teams looking for a cup run. I firmly believe we would have gotten a better deal in June after speaking to 3 times as many folks.

 

[Edge]

I get what you are saying but I respectfully disagree. Last season everyone on the board was saying how Trouba would cost a kings ransom. Trouba is not nearly as accomplished as McD. I do believe we could have got a better return in June. The only offers coming right now are from teams with low draft choices. In June we could have got offers from teams with much better draft picks.

And the end of the day we can disagree, but I'm just not seeing what alternative there is to the market being what it is.

If I'm a GM, and it's June, what's your sales pitch for me to give you more assets at that time for a player with more mileage, approaching his 29th birthday, and who is 52 weeks from unrestricted free agency?

I think the wait until June strategy works if McD is younger, coming off a career year, or at least a season that mirrors his best year, and has more term.

But under the circumstances of what we were seeing, I'm curious as to how you think we convince a rival GM to give up more, or why you think they would be inspired to approach us with more. (Keeping in mind that you have a market that is going to include Karlsson and, potentially, Doughty).

 

[kramer987]

Those teams are gong to trade their top 10 pick for one year of McD?

Or are they going to use that pick to get a player who either has term left, or just use the pick to select a player where they hold his right to for all his entry level and rfa years?

its so awesome how people ignore these very factors when posting their reactionary comments here. just because he was a 1D does not mean he was a good 1D on another team or that another team wants to keep him for a single year once his contract expires. McDo was good (at one time), but now he's older, more beat up, and may not fit into the lineup / future of many teams. people just think that because he is OUR top player he must be a top player in the league. no necessarily true. the supply must meet a demand. if there is no demand, the supply has less value.

 

[ponytrekker]

Unless the Rangers luck in to a McDavid like super stud in the draft lottery I fear this team became the NY Knicks on ice for the next 5-10 years. People that love losing season after season for more draft picks will be happy.

It would only be a mere coincidence that Jimmy Dolan reappears (after avoiding meddling in the Rangers ) and the team turns into a loser instead of a playoff team.

 

[Alluckks]

I'd take your bet and triple it because I 100% agree. AV is a goner. They are letting him ride out the season and then AV along with the rest of his staff will be shown the door.

Yep.

 

[GregSirico]

You are right about all that but I still think we sold our best asset cheap because we were only speaking to around 4-6 teams looking for a cup run. I firmly believe we would have gotten a better deal in June after speaking to 3 times as many folks.

I'm not sure, I think it's 50/50. There could also be a lot of teams that literally look at him as a rental (maybe you don't get that second draft pick or maybe only 1 prospect) ... a lot of unknown. Does EK getting moved in the same year (we all know he's gone) take Ryan's price down?

 

[NickyFotiu]

There's no way to know what the return would be at the draft. Stepan had four more years to go and a team that desperately wanted him even at that cap hit. I don't think a team is going to trade a top 10 pick for one year or McDonagh.

Its not one year of McD. If a team wanted McD in June they could have easily discussed an extension before any trade. Or they could have the luxury of a brief tryout first before committing to him. I wish I could say wow we made a great trade but I just do not see it at this time.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Teams tired of being bottom feeders year after year would be interested in a legit 1st pairing Dman in June in my opinion. Stepans contract was a negative in my book while McD's was a positive. We made a mistake forcing the deal now IMO.

I disagree. McDonagh's value was at it's highest for a team that could get 2 runs with him before his big pay day.

The wildcard, however, is its sure looking like Karlsson will be dealt at the draft. That would've essentially swallowed up the McDonagh market. The jury is out on the return, but IMO it was best to deal him now.

 

[NYR713]

The more I look into Howden the more im liking this trade. If he can pan out and be a top-6 guy - he and Andersson could be big time leaders for this team. A winner and hes got size at 6'3, wow.

Yeah I don't understand all the doom and gloom. People just had really high expectations and when they weren't exactly met they flip out. Hope and Acceptance is a great life concept to follow for happiness.

I'm not big on moving Miller... really my only complaint. Got Namest back so I don't really know the point of it, but he's another movable asset if it doesn't look like a fit for an extension. Maybe it's easier for each team to deal with a fresh player and agent in terms of RFA extension.

I think they made good moves. This was the time to do it and the overall return is nice, once you stop looking at what they didn't get and look at what they did get.

I really like Howden. He's one of those guys that stands out every time you see him... makes you go to the internet during WJC's to see who he is. He's an on-ice leader, was already a big part of Syracuse in AHL last season going into the playoffs and the few games they played. Hajek was a beast in these past WJC's at both ends of the ice and has also had a taste of the AHL and played well. Both contracts are slide candidates too so 3 full seasons of ELC ahead.

Chytil, Andersson, Howden is nice future center depth
Hajek, Lindgren, Rykov + taking a look at a whole group of young guys now and still someone like Day in the pipeline.
Going into a draft with 3 1st round picks(1 lottery) and 2 2nd rd picks and still have Zucc who can move and maybe Spooner or Namestnikov

A little luck with that lottery 1st being in any of the top 3 and this team is off to a nice start. I have a feeling there will be quantity for quality condensing moves after the draft too.