Value of: McDavid

Friedlander71 · Nov 30, 2023

I'm sure fellow Panther fans will roast me, but I'll do:

McDavid to Fla
Ekblad, Lundell and a draft pick to Edm

TFHockey · Nov 30, 2023

Friedlander71 said:
I'm sure fellow Panther fans will roast me, but I'll do:

McDavid to Fla
Ekblad, Lundell and a draft pick to Edm

Pass. Oilers would too I bet.

They'd want Barkov in any deal with the Panthers. Or at least I would. Hell of a player.

Sabresruletheschool · Nov 30, 2023

NickyFotiu said:
Chytil-Kaapo-Lindgren-Perrault-4 first round picks is my NYR offer.

And if he lfet after his contract was up, you could live with that?

canuckslover10 said:
if I was New Jersey I would trade j Hughes,L.Hughes,Nemec,and 2 1sts for Mcdavid

No you wouldn't. Because if he left after two years you'd of given that all away for two years of McDavid.

NickyFotiu · Nov 30, 2023

Craft Beer Lover said:
Posts like these don’t even warrant a response.

You just proved your own statement false. Impressive

NickyFotiu · Nov 30, 2023

Sabresruletheschool said:
And if he lfet after his contract was up, you could live with that?

No you wouldn't. Because if he left after two years you'd of given that all away for two years of McDavid.

I would only attempt a McDavid trade if he asked to come to the NYR like some others have done in the past. Any contract issues could be discussed with him before completion.

Fourier · Nov 30, 2023

Henry Miller said:
Probably not as much as some would think in a salary cap world. I’d guess great youngish player+ blue chip prospect+ 1st

I actually think he would get more than many might think precisely because it is a salary capped world. First off he is a huge asset in terms of revenue for a team. At his current salary he is actually a very good deal relative to his performance. And I suspect that his next deal will be a lot closer to his current number than some might also think. It would not surprise me to see him take just a little more than would be needed to make him the highest paid player in the league. That could be $14M. (With no salary cap it would be much more I suspect.) Barring any major financial upheaval his deal will quickly be a massive bargain since the cap could very well be rising to $110M+ not long into his deal based on current revenue estimates. Moreover, with even at that salary his draw in terms of merchandise and other sales would be a big plus for any team financially so owners around the league would be pressing their GM's to do what it takes. Again, without the salary cap he may well have been too expensive for many teams.

Eichel netted Tuch, Krebs and a 1st and a second. Replace Tuch with a young star, upgrade the 2nd to a first and add another high end prospect and that may well be the price even to get the conversation started if a trade was made with 2 years left. Otherwise Oiler ownership would simply say no, which they may do anyways. Katz would have to be convinced that the post McDavid team would not be a bottom dweller for very long.

canuckslover10 · Nov 30, 2023

Sabresruletheschool said:
And if he lfet after his contract was up, you could live with that?

No you wouldn't. Because if he left after two years you'd of given that all away for two years of McDavid.

lol if he's willing to stay in Edmonton I doubt he would leave New Jersey, which isn't the prettiest place in the world but its a whole lot better than Edmonton. New Jersey would be the best supporting cast he would have had in his entire career, why would he leave that?

Sabresruletheschool · Nov 30, 2023

NickyFotiu said:
I would only attempt a McDavid trade if he asked to come to the NYR like some others have done in the past. Any contract issues could be discussed with him before completion.

Problem is, he's two years out. He can't sign a new contract until July 2025.

NickyFotiu · Nov 30, 2023

Sabresruletheschool said:
Problem is, he's two years out. He can't sign a new contract until July 2025.

I'm really not worried about it if he declares he wants to be traded to the NYR. If we win with him he will likely not want to go anywhere else. Mess will let him know that winning in NY is not like winning in Edmonton.

Sabresruletheschool · Nov 30, 2023

canuckslover10 said:
lol if he's willing to stay in Edmonton I doubt he would leave New Jersey, which isn't the prettiest place in the world but its a whole lot better than Edmonton. New Jersey would be the best supporting cast he would have had in his entire career, why would he leave that?

Yeah, but in two years he has his choice to go anywhere. You'd be willing to give up all that in hopes he stays? No way. If he went to the Rangers or something, you've just decimated the future of the team.

TageGod · Nov 30, 2023

Cozens
Kulich
Ryan Johnson
1st

Comes full circle, where he belongs.

Gregor Samsa · Nov 30, 2023

Fourier said:
I actually think he would get more than many might think precisely because it is a salary capped world. First off he is a huge asset in terms of revenue for a team. At his current salary he is actually a very good deal relative to his performance. And I suspect that his next deal will be a lot closer to his current number than some might also think. It would not surprise me to see him take just a little more than would be needed to make him the highest paid player in the league. That could be $14M. (With no salary cap it would be much more I suspect.) Barring any major financial upheaval his deal will quickly be a massive bargain since the cap could very well be rising to $110M+ not long into his deal based on current revenue estimates. Moreover, with even at that salary his draw in terms of merchandise and other sales would be a big plus for any team financially so owners around the league would be pressing their GM's to do what it takes. Again, without the salary cap he may well have been too expensive for many teams.

Eichel netted Tuch, Krebs and a 1st and a second. Replace Tuch with a young star, upgrade the 2nd to a first and add another high end prospect and that may well be the price even to get the conversation started if a trade was made with 2 years left. Otherwise Oiler ownership would simply say no, which they may do anyways. Katz would have to be convinced that the post McDavid team would not be a bottom dweller for very long.

By good young player I mean someone closer to Jack Hughes, or Stutzle than Vegas Tuch

nbwingsfan · Nov 30, 2023

Cogburn said:
McDavid is someone I'd love to have. I'd rather have had him from his draft day of course, but if he was available I'd still be calling if I were a GM.

I can give you a whole third line of Beauvillier, Garland and Suter/Blueger as cap, along with the actual value portion...which I don't know, this year's 1st, next year's 2nd, this year's 3rd and a conditional 1st with a low bar to clear (Vancouver making the finals once in any of the 3 years). As for prospects, what does Edmonton need? Wing? Lekkerimaki, Podkolzin, Klimovich, Karlsson, Bains, Alriksson. Center? Raty, Glover, Sasson, Kunz, Gardiner. Defence? Brzustewich, Willander, Celebrini, Hirose, McWard, Pettersson, Woo. Goalies? Silovs, Young, Tolopilo, Sawyer, Koskenvuo, Theissen.

Yes, it will be a series of dimes for a dollar kind of trade, simply due to the cap constraints.

Wild you openly offered a package starting with an overpaid 3rd line for the best player in the league.

I applaud you for it

vtdevils2k · Nov 30, 2023

canuckslover10 said:
lol if he's willing to stay in Edmonton I doubt he would leave New Jersey, which isn't the prettiest place in the world but its a whole lot better than Edmonton. New Jersey would be the best supporting cast he would have had in his entire career, why would he leave that?

"j Hughes,L.Hughes,Nemec,and 2 1sts"

And then the Hughes brothers demand a trade to Vancouver to play with Quinn, right?

NJ would never gut their team like that....come on

Fourier · Nov 30, 2023

Henry Miller said:
By good young player I mean someone closer to Jack Hughes, or Stutzle than Vegas Tuch

Ok. That makes it a little more appealing from the Oiler's perspective. But I still do not think that the owner would sign off from a business perspective unless McDavid made it completely clear he was leaving. Even then the issue with Hughes is that he will be 2 years from free agency. You could not have a more risky proposition from the Oilers perspective.

Part of this has to do with the Oiler's history. Katz was a massive fan of the 80's team and was around to watch Pocklington destroy it. McDavid and to a lesser degree Draisaitl are facies of the franchise in the same way that Gretzky and Messier were. (Of course there is only one Gretzky!) I cannot imagine he would want to be the guy that repeated the disaster that was the dismantling of that team. Even without the same on ice success for a large portion of the Oilers younger fan base McDavid and Leon are the team and for us old guys there is 0 desire for another failed retool. So to move McDavid before it was absolutely necessary (and since that almost surely means Leon is gone), the return would have to be spectacular. Hughes is a start if there is a strong sense he would re-sign, but certainly not the end of it.

AndreRoy · Nov 30, 2023

GreeningOil said:
If McDavid is available. Those 8-10 teams are calling. It’s not your average everyday player. It’s a guy who can make that business a ton of money and also bring the “goods”.

No, they aren’t. The Lightning, for instance, already have two legitimate 1Cs as well as multiple quality depth centers, are tight against the cap, and are struggling defensively; they have no need for McDavid and are not going to destroy their depth or further weaken their defense to fit him on their roster. That would simply turn them into the Oilers and nobody wants that.

And you overestimate McDavid’s financial impact, especially for teams in the United States where he is by no means a household name. In any event the big bucks come from corporate sponsorships - individual fans buying tickets and merch are a drop in the bucket comparatively, and even then nothing sells tickets/merch like winning. Sure, he’d be a financial boon to a struggling team in Canada, but for a successful team in the US his monetary impact would be negligible.

AndreRoy · Nov 30, 2023

GreeningOil said:
It starts with Dahlin.

And the call ends there, with Buffalo’s GM hanging up.

canuckslover10 · Nov 30, 2023

vtdevils2k said:
"j Hughes,L.Hughes,Nemec,and 2 1sts"

And then the Hughes brothers demand a trade to Vancouver to play with Quinn, right?

NJ would never gut their team like that....come on

Would easily be worth it for a player like McDavid who IMO is a top 5 player of all time by the time his career is over. If he can drag the Oilers to the playoffs like he has in the past couple of years imagine the damage he would cause on a new jersey devils team.

Gregor Samsa · Nov 30, 2023

Fourier said:
Ok. That makes it a little more appealing from the Oiler's perspective. But I still do not think that the owner would sign off from a business perspective unless McDavid made it completely clear he was leaving. Even then the issue with Hughes is that he will be 2 years from free agency. You could not have a more risky proposition from the Oilers perspective.

Part of this has to do with the Oiler's history. Katz was a massive fan of the 80's team and was around to watch Pocklington destroy it. McDavid and to a lesser degree Draisaitl are facies of the franchise in the same way that Gretzky and Messier were. (Of course there is only one Gretzky!) I cannot imagine he would want to be the guy that repeated the disaster that was the dismantling of that team. Even without the same on ice success for a large portion of the Oilers younger fan base McDavid and Leon are the team and for us old guys there is 0 desire for another failed retool. So to move McDavid before it was absolutely necessary (and since that almost surely means Leon is gone), the return would have to be spectacular. Hughes is a start if there is a strong sense he would re-sign, but certainly not the end of it.

If you were Oilers GM would you do McDavid for Stutzle and Sanderson? The Hughes brothers?

Wildcarder · Nov 30, 2023

McDavid, Desharnais, and Hyman to LA for Dubois, Danault, 2024 1st, 2026 1st, 2028 1st, and $15 million in cash.

AndreRoy · Nov 30, 2023

TFHockey said:
There would be a league wide bidding war. You can bet he'll get full value.

He’ll get full value for an impending UFA. Which even with an extension agreed upon in advance is nowhere close to the same as full value for a player who is already locked up longterm with no need for his current team to trade him and no chance for any other team to acquire him in free agency.

Fourier · Nov 30, 2023

Henry Miller said:
If you were Oilers GM would you do McDavid for Stutzle and Sanderson? The Hughes brothers?

No I would not, unless McDavid said he was not resigning. No disespect to these players. I can obviously see why others would but its not just a matter of McDavid vs these two in the abstract. First off, you have all the issues I stated previously. Moreover, if you make either deal and you then have to move Leon since he will be gone. And you also have to take into consideration the cap of two players at that level. Right now for the Ottawa pair for example you are at $16.35M for the two of them vs $12.5 For McDavid which means that you need to find $3M in additional cap savings at least.

Despite the way this year started with McDavid and Draisaitl the Oilers are a lot closer to being a contender than they will be for quite some time after either of these deals I suspect. If they can manage to make the playoffs this year I think there is a good chance that both re-sign. That keeps the Oilers window open for several more years and buys them time to address their current issues. If they can't do that with these two in tow they are unlikely to do that with either of the pairs above. I either pair was enough to make a team an instant contender bot NJ and Ottawa would be stronger than they are.

I am also willing to admit that my position is also skewed by how much as a fan I value being able to watch McDavid in an Oiler uniform. I was lucky enough to be a season ticket holder through the Gretzky years and it was a killer to watch him play in any other jersey. McDavid is legitimately one of if not the most exciting player I have ever watched in person. I want him wearing the jersey of the team I have followed since 1972.

Cogburn · Nov 30, 2023

nbwingsfan said:
Wild you openly offered a package starting with an overpaid 3rd line for the best player in the league.

I applaud you for it

Well, as cap considerations really. I fully acknowledged they have no value, and asked what actual value Edmonton fans would want as far as prospects to be included.

ChaoticOrange · Nov 30, 2023

Friedlander71 said:
I'm sure fellow Panther fans will roast me, but I'll do:

McDavid to Fla
Ekblad, Lundell and a draft pick to Edm

...why on earth would Panthers fans roast you for that, it's not remotely enough.

Gregor Samsa · Nov 30, 2023

Fourier said:
No I would not, unless McDavid said he was not resigning. No disespect to these players. I can obviously see why others would but its not just a matter of McDavid vs these two in the abstract. First off, you have all the issues I stated previously. Moreover, if you make either deal and you then have to move Leon since he will be gone. And you also have to take into consideration the cap of two players at that level. Right now for the Ottawa pair for example you are at $16.35M for the two of them vs $12.5 For McDavid which means that you need to find $3M in additional cap savings at least.

Despite the way this year started with McDavid and Draisaitl the Oilers are a lot closer to being a contender than they will be for quite some time after either of these deals I suspect. If they can manage to make the playoffs this year I think there is a good chance that both re-sign. That keeps the Oilers window open for several more years and buys them time to address their current issues. If they can't do that with these two in tow they are unlikely to do that with either of the pairs above. I either pair was enough to make a team an instant contender bot NJ and Ottawa would be stronger than they are.

I am also willing to admit that my position is also skewed by how much as a fan I value being able to watch McDavid in an Oiler uniform. I was lucky enough to be a season ticket holder through the Gretzky years and it was a killer to watch him play in any other jersey. McDavid is legitimately one of if not the most exciting player I have ever watched in person. I want him wearing the jersey of the team I have followed since 1972.

Idk. Those players are 21 and younger (I think). They are 1C and 1st pair defensemen (I’d be shocked if Hughes isn’t. Trending for more than 50 pts as a 20 year old rookie Dman is nothing to sneeze at. Outside of Luke, I believe they are locked up through their 20’s. The Oilers would downgrade from an all time great to one of the best in the NHL now AND be adding a 1st pair Dman

Fourier said:
No I would not, unless McDavid said he was not resigning. No disespect to these players. I can obviously see why others would but its not just a matter of McDavid vs these two in the abstract. First off, you have all the issues I stated previously. Moreover, if you make either deal and you then have to move Leon since he will be gone. And you also have to take into consideration the cap of two players at that level. Right now for the Ottawa pair for example you are at $16.35M for the two of them vs $12.5 For McDavid which means that you need to find $3M in additional cap savings at least.

Despite the way this year started with McDavid and Draisaitl the Oilers are a lot closer to being a contender than they will be for quite some time after either of these deals I suspect. If they can manage to make the playoffs this year I think there is a good chance that both re-sign. That keeps the Oilers window open for several more years and buys them time to address their current issues. If they can't do that with these two in tow they are unlikely to do that with either of the pairs above. I either pair was enough to make a team an instant contender bot NJ and Ottawa would be stronger than they are.

I am also willing to admit that my position is also skewed by how much as a fan I value being able to watch McDavid in an Oiler uniform. I was lucky enough to be a season ticket holder through the Gretzky years and it was a killer to watch him play in any other jersey. McDavid is legitimately one of if not the most exciting player I have ever watched in person. I want him wearing the jersey of the team I have followed since 1972.

Fourier said:
No I would not, unless McDavid said he was not resigning. No disespect to these players. I can obviously see why others would but its not just a matter of McDavid vs these two in the abstract. First off, you have all the issues I stated previously. Moreover, if you make either deal and you then have to move Leon since he will be gone. And you also have to take into consideration the cap of two players at that level. Right now for the Ottawa pair for example you are at $16.35M for the two of them vs $12.5 For McDavid which means that you need to find $3M in additional cap savings at least.

Despite the way this year started with McDavid and Draisaitl the Oilers are a lot closer to being a contender than they will be for quite some time after either of these deals I suspect. If they can manage to make the playoffs this year I think there is a good chance that both re-sign. That keeps the Oilers window open for several more years and buys them time to address their current issues. If they can't do that with these two in tow they are unlikely to do that with either of the pairs above. I either pair was enough to make a team an instant contender bot NJ and Ottawa would be stronger than they are.

I am also willing to admit that my position is also skewed by how much as a fan I value being able to watch McDavid in an Oiler uniform. I was lucky enough to be a season ticket holder through the Gretzky years and it was a killer to watch him play in any other jersey. McDavid is legitimately one of if not the most exciting player I have ever watched in person. I want him wearing the jersey of the team I have followed since 1972.Idk. Those players are 21 and younger (I think). They are 1C and 1st pair defensemen (I’d be shocked if Hughes isn’t. Trending for more than 50 pts as a 20 year old rookie Dman is nothing to sneeze at. Outside of Luke, I believe they are locked up through their 20’s. The Oilers would downgrade from an all time great to one of the best in the NHL now AND be adding a 1st pair Dman

Fourier said:
No I would not, unless McDavid said he was not resigning. No disespect to these players. I can obviously see why others would but its not just a matter of McDavid vs these two in the abstract. First off, you have all the issues I stated previously. Moreover, if you make either deal and you then have to move Leon since he will be gone. And you also have to take into consideration the cap of two players at that level. Right now for the Ottawa pair for example you are at $16.35M for the two of them vs $12.5 For McDavid which means that you need to find $3M in additional cap savings at least.

Despite the way this year started with McDavid and Draisaitl the Oilers are a lot closer to being a contender than they will be for quite some time after either of these deals I suspect. If they can manage to make the playoffs this year I think there is a good chance that both re-sign. That keeps the Oilers window open for several more years and buys them time to address their current issues. If they can't do that with these two in tow they are unlikely to do that with either of the pairs above. I either pair was enough to make a team an instant contender bot NJ and Ottawa would be stronger than they are.

I am also willing to admit that my position is also skewed by how much as a fan I value being able to watch McDavid in an Oiler uniform. I was lucky enough to be a season ticket holder through the Gretzky years and it was a killer to watch him play in any other jersey. McDavid is legitimately one of if not the most exciting player I have ever watched in person. I want him wearing the jersey of the team I have followed since 1972.

Idk. Those players are 21 and younger (I think). They are 1C and 1st pair defensemen (I’d be shocked if Hughes isn’t. Trending for more than 50 pts as a 20 year old rookie Dman is nothing to sneeze at. Outside of Luke, I believe they are locked up through their 20’s. The Oilers would downgrade from an all time great to one of the best in the NHL now AND be adding a 1st pair Dman. Sometimes the whole is greater than the some of the parts. And if McDavid isn’t going to resign, no way an expiring contract gets those sets of guys

ETA: forgive the mess. The site reloads so I copy and pasted so I didn’t lose everything

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