Proposal: McDavid to NYR

[rocketdan9]

This off season and before McDavid's NMC kicks in:


Brennan Othmann
Braden Schneider
K'Andre Miller
Igor Shesterkin
Filip Chytil


Connor McDavid

Oilers receive a really good LW prospect in Othmann, two defensemen who are on ELCs but are already very good, a legit #1 starter in Shesterkin, and a middle six center in Chytil. They also get a lot of cap space for Holland to throw away on those coveted 37+ year old players. Oh and maybe re-sign Kane. Who knows.

The Rangers receive Connor McDavid with no cap dumps and signed long term. The money can work with all of the cap coming off the books next year and nearly $5 Million in cap space they have right now. The Rangers keep all of their top players in the line up; Fox Panarin, Zib, etc and also Lafreniere and Kakko on ELCs to take up positions vacated by pending UFAs. Lastly, as some NY fans have been insisting, Georgiev gets those minutes to show what a great starter he can be.

That wouldnt be enough. It would start with Lafreniere, Fox and Shesterkin. Plus three 1sts

 

[TGWL]

anyone thinking NYR management doesnt do this is fooling themselves. McDavid is known, and the best player in the league by a mile. Shesterkin is having an amazing season. Goalies are the most unpredictable position in hockey. For every Lundqvist there are hundreds of goalies that come in, have a couple nice seasons and if they are lucky snag backup jobs for 5-10 years on 5 different teams. Shesterkin might be the real deal but Mcdavid absolutely is. NYR would have to move things around and what not but free agents are 100% more likely to sign in NY then EDM. The rest of the players in the trade are irrelevant and replaceable.

Free Agents typically don't take league min contracts. With no money, Rangers aren't getting any free agents worth a damn, Players aren't irrelevant and replaceable with no cap space. The problem here is NYR can't do this and continue to have a team without running into the same problems Oilers are currently at. It's less about how they go forward than McDavis is not worth this...

 

[TFHockey]

That wouldnt be enough. It would start with Lafreniere, Fox and Shesterkin. Plus three 1sts

I don't think Fox would play in Edmonton.

I asked for two young ELC defensemen because I felt they would have a more immediate and positive impact than late 1sts.

Lafreniere could be substituted for Othmann if he is deemed a better fit.

 

[rocketdan9]

I don't think Fox would play in Edmonton.

I asked for two young ELC defensemen because I felt they would have a more immediate and positive impact than late 1sts.

Lafreniere could be substituted for Othmann if he is deemed a better fit.

Fox has no ntc

So not really up to him

 

[TFHockey]

Fox has no ntc

So not really up to him

If a guy gets dealt and you know he doesn't want to play for your team he is going to ask for a trade. Isn't that why Fox got moved from Calgary? And Carolina? He wasn't expected to sign with either.

 

[Bluto]

I love mcdavid trade threads

The receiving team always guts the team for mcdavid and ends up like the oilers are now. I don’t think the solution to any teams problems is to become the joke that is the Edmonton oilers. If the only way to get mcdavid is to become the oilers than I’m pretty sure it’s a hard pass from every other nhl team. The oilers have mcdavid and can barely even make the playoffs lol.

A team of 20NHLers is better than 2 superstars generational talents surrounded by ECHLers. It’s for this reason we will never see a trade like the Lindros trade again. If mcdavid is ever traded there will be much gnashing of teeth from oilers fans at the return.

 

[rocketdan9]

If a guy gets dealt and you know he doesn't want to play for your team he is going to ask for a trade. Isn't that why Fox got moved from Calgary? And Carolina? He wasn't expected to sign with either.

Thats different

Fox is locked up to a long term contract

He can protest/sit out. But will not be paid/suspended (your scenerio)

 

[TFHockey]

I love mcdavid trade threads

The receiving team always guts the team for mcdavid and ends up like the oilers are now. I don’t think the solution to any teams problems is to become the joke that is the Edmonton oilers. If the only way to get mcdavid is to become the oilers than I’m pretty sure it’s a hard pass from every other nhl team. The oilers have mcdavid and can barely even make the playoffs lol.

A team of 20NHLers is better than 2 superstars generational talents surrounded by ECHLers. It’s for this reason we will never see a trade like the Lindros trade again. If mcdavid is ever traded there will be much gnashing of teeth from oilers fans at the return.

Very interesting take. A number of Ranger fans believe New York would be a lottery team if not for Shesterkin. You do you though.

 

[bernmeister]

There is no "offer less for McDavid" scenario. If the Rangers try to lowball the Oilers there are 30 other teams who'd want him. A bidding war would make McDavid's price sky high. You know it. I know it. The Oilers would never let McDavid walk as a UFA. Further, he committed to Edmonton long term (unlike other star players whose names shall not be mentioned) and has stated he wants to win here.

You pay up or no McDavid. It is that simple. There is no player in the league that this is more true for.

I am not saying I know McD's mind one way or the other. I respectfully point out there is a disconnect betw what you are saying, and the poster I was responding to, who said McD leaving soon to go to Leafs.

Again, not trying to press your buttons, do not want given high price and inability to make this a Zib ++ type of situation. Do not want to gut youth, which is sane key to insane cap, and only way given cap to max the window.

If you wind up keeping McD, I am interested in something around a core of Shesty for Draisatil, but not w/crazy adds.

 

[bernmeister]

anyone thinking NYR management doesnt do this is fooling themselves. McDavid is known, and the best player in the league by a mile. Shesterkin is having an amazing season. Goalies are the most unpredictable position in hockey. For every Lundqvist there are hundreds of goalies that come in, have a couple nice seasons and if they are lucky snag backup jobs for 5-10 years on 5 different teams. Shesterkin might be the real deal but Mcdavid absolutely is. NYR would have to move things around and what not but free agents are 100% more likely to sign in NY then EDM. The rest of the players in the trade are irrelevant and replaceable.

bold ignores reality, cap, restriction constraints, etc.

More likely that it's Draisaitl; and no Igor included in the deal.

I agree on LeoDrai but disagree, he commands shesty inclusion. There would be mutual +s to be negotiated, but it's not gonna be
LeoDrai
for
Shesyt++++

Thats different

Fox is locked up to a long term contract

He can protest/sit out. But will not be paid/suspended (your scenerio)

Fox has protection clause, he totally commands where he goes. He takes himself out of the picture, so moot pt, not in the discussion of what is possible.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I cannot believe an oilers fan made this proposal. It’s so shockingly bad for Edmonton wtf

 

[RedHawkDown]

A trade with shesterkin at its core would still need to include one of the rangers top assets.

Zibanejad
Shesterkin
Othmann
2023 1st
2024 1st
is a lot closer

 

[TFHockey]

A trade with shesterkin at its core would still need to include one of the rangers top assets.

Zibanejad
Shesterkin
Othmann
2023 1st
2024 1st
is a lot closer

Zib has a full NMC. He won't wait for Edmonton. Most of the NYR top forwards have those, so they had to be left out.

 

[McShogun99]

I’ll go play bizzaro world where the Oilers trade Mcdavid to NY this off season. Let’s go full blockbuster.

To NYR
Mcdavid
Nurse

To EDM
Shesterkin
Fox
Lafrenierre
Kakko
1st in 23, 24
2nd in 22
3rd in 22

 

[RedHawkDown]

Zib has a full NMC. He won't wait for Edmonton. Most of the NYR top forwards have those, so they had to be left out.

Fair enough. I’m just speaking on value. A bunch of magic beans do not get you Mcdavid.

This is like if I offered berggren+Veleno+Edvinsson+cossa for mcdavid. It’s not close imo.

 

[Brother Mouzone]

Why would the Rangers completely gut their team and future for one great player? So we csn be the oilers of the last decade with the best player and barely make the playoffs most years?

RED : is BIG facts Oilers have been to the POs only twice with him , and only won 1 round ......................

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Draisaitl for Strome, Laf/Kakko, Schneider, Othmann/Cuylle

 

[bernmeister]

Draisaitl for Strome, Laf/Kakko, Schneider, Othmann/Cuylle

no
also strome will be ufa unable to trade now/no value past regular season

 

[TGWL]

A trade with shesterkin at its core would still need to include one of the rangers top assets.

Zibanejad
Shesterkin
Othmann
2023 1st
2024 1st
is a lot closer

Zibanjad has a no move clause. So that's doubtful unless he really wants to go. I'd also say Miller and Schneider are worth more than the 23 1st and 24 1st.

 

[TGWL]

Fair enough. I’m just speaking on value. A bunch of magic beans do not get you Mcdavid.

This is like if I offered berggren+Veleno+Edvinsson+cossa for mcdavid. It’s not close imo.

It's not like that at all since the op mentioned 3 players who would play an important role in the lineup today. I don't think you'll ever get fair value for McDavid because teams can't gut their team and take that cap back without having issues. This might not make sense for Edmonton because they give up the best player in the NHL, but NYR can't really do this either. The pieces here aren't magic beans. They're hard to replace.

 

[Garbageyuk]

The minimum offer:

Fox
Shesterkin
Miller
Zibanejad/Panarin with retention if needed
1st

 

[McJedi]

This off season and before McDavid's NMC kicks in:


Brennan Othmann
Braden Schneider
K'Andre Miller
Igor Shesterkin
Filip Chytil


Connor McDavid

Oilers receive a really good LW prospect in Othmann, two defensemen who are on ELCs but are already very good, a legit #1 starter in Shesterkin, and a middle six center in Chytil. They also get a lot of cap space for Holland to throw away on those coveted 37+ year old players. Oh and maybe re-sign Kane. Who knows.

The Rangers receive Connor McDavid with no cap dumps and signed long term. The money can work with all of the cap coming off the books next year and nearly $5 Million in cap space they have right now. The Rangers keep all of their top players in the line up; Fox Panarin, Zib, etc and also Lafreniere and Kakko on ELCs to take up positions vacated by pending UFAs. Lastly, as some NY fans have been insisting, Georgiev gets those minutes to show what a great starter he can be.

I’d be a hard pass as a Ranger fan. They have the NHLs best goalie. Why trade that guy? That creates a massive hole in your team. Build around that goalie.

Sure. Mcdavid is the leagues best player. But Shesterkin is the best goalie. This trade would rob Peter, James and John to pay Paul. Not wise IMO.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

no
also strome will be ufa unable to trade now/no value past regular season

Extension in place, obviously.

 

[Bouboumaster]

as a neutral fan who hate both team, not a bad trade.
It solves some problems for the Oilers and the first two lines of NYR would be absolutly disgusting. Zib as a second line center is bonker.

 

[TFHockey]

The minimum offer:

Fox
Shesterkin
Miller
Zibanejad/Panarin with retention if needed
1st

Both Zibanejad and Panarin have full NMC. They are not waiving for Edmonton.