Proposal: McDavid to NYR

[TFHockey]

Not trading the best goalie in thee world for ARGUABLY the best player in the world.

wut.

 

[I am Canadian]

No way the Rangers trade Shesterkin, he's propelled them into the playoffs.

If you swap Mcdavid for Shesterkin straight up Rangers would not be #5 in the league.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

So did McDavid want the NMC in his contract or did Edmonton

 

[Taluss]

Counter:

Shesty @ 50% retained
Fox @50% retained
Panarin @50% retained
Zibby @50% retained
2022 First Rounder
2023 First Rounder
2024 First Rounder Swap Option
2025 First Rounder Swap Option


and even then thats probably a no.

your offer is embarrassing

edit: an oilers fan made this offer???

Your right the Rangers definitely laugh at that.

That’s actually embarrassing if you think Oilers would deny that assuming it would somehow fit under the cap lol.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Do you think this is an unfair trade for Edmonton? I dunno, we get all of the holes in our line up fixed and we gain cap space for everything else we would want to improve on.

Miller and Schneider are good adds to the back end. Both are on ELCs and can play in the line up right now.
Let's assume Keith retires before next season as well.
Shesterkin is a legit #1 goalie. He makes the Oilers better in goal right now and is signed for three more years.
Chytil plays C and is probably the only weak link in this trade. He takes up either the 2C role or 3C, depending on where the coach wants RNH to play.
Othmann is probably their best FW prospect. Would you prefer Lafreniere?

All of these guys are signed after this season. No pending UFAs or RFAs.

None of the big star in NY will waive for Edmonton. I think we understand that.
Fox won't want to play here and will demand a trade if Holland did land him. So NYR keep all of their star talent and we get the best of what is coming up for them.

The Oilers, after this trade, can move Broberg, Holloway, Bourgault and/or Othmann to make deals to get the guys they still need. They'd have all the cap room in the world and their prospects and picks, to make a run at guys like Chychrun. Maybe they also add Artem Zub or Scott Mayfield for the right side while moving Barrie somewhere else.

Nurse -Mayfield/Zub
Chychrun - Bouchard
Schneider - Miller

Could be among the best D core in the league.

Shesherkin - Skinner in net

While still having:

Kane - Draisaitl - Puljujarvi
Hyman - RNH - Yamamoto
Foegele - Chytil - Kassian
Ryan - McLeod - Shore

As much as I like Shesterkin, absolutely no chance to I do this trade when basically everything coming back is a filler piece currently.

As good as young pieces like Schneider and Miller are, the above team is never contending. Never. "None of NYR's star talent will waive so we get the best of what's left" - yeah, pass.

 

[Taluss]

No way the Rangers trade Shesterkin, he's propelled them into the playoffs.

If you swap Mcdavid for Shesterkin straight up Rangers would not be #5 in the league.

Doubt it, McDavid would be good enough to offset the goaltending. They would remain around 5th

 

[Boris Zubov]

Shestyorkin+Zibanejad+KaKko+Lindgren

Rangers make that deal in a hearbeat.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Do you think this is an unfair trade for Edmonton? I dunno, we get all of the holes in our line up fixed and we gain cap space for everything else we would want to improve on.

Miller and Schneider are good adds to the back end. Both are on ELCs and can play in the line up right now.
Let's assume Keith retires before next season as well.
Shesterkin is a legit #1 goalie. He makes the Oilers better in goal right now and is signed for three more years.
Chytil plays C and is probably the only weak link in this trade. He takes up either the 2C role or 3C, depending on where the coach wants RNH to play.
Othmann is probably their best FW prospect. Would you prefer Lafreniere?

All of these guys are signed after this season. No pending UFAs or RFAs.

None of the big star in NY will waive for Edmonton. I think we understand that.
Fox won't want to play here and will demand a trade if Holland did land him. So NYR keep all of their star talent and we get the best of what is coming up for them.

The Oilers, after this trade, can move Broberg, Holloway, Bourgault and/or Othmann to make deals to get the guys they still need. They'd have all the cap room in the world and their prospects and picks, to make a run at guys like Chychrun. Maybe they also add Artem Zub or Scott Mayfield for the right side while moving Barrie somewhere else.

Nurse -Mayfield/Zub
Chychrun - Bouchard
Schneider - Miller

Could be among the best D core in the league.

Shesherkin - Skinner in net

While still having:

Kane - Draisaitl - Puljujarvi
Hyman - RNH - Yamamoto
Foegele - Chytil - Kassian
Ryan - McLeod - Shore

I think basically any trade involving moving McDavid out is a bad trade for Edmonton.

 

[SI90]

McDavid is the best player in the world but you can win Stanley cups without a McDavid level center. It’s much harder to find a goalie that you can trust that can win you a cup.


If I’m the Oilers I ask for Fox and Shestyorkin.

If I’m the Rangers I decline.
Not good trade partners.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

It's almost pointless to trade for McDavid. The outgoing assets would be a gut punch to any organization.
Waiting for his contract to expire and hoping he's had his fill of the Oilers (I can't see why he wouldn't choose to move on) is the better option IMO. Teams will still need to move some players to fit his cap hit in but at least that way you have McDavid and the assets gained from moving some players.

 

[bernmeister]

That’s so nice of you to offer a goalie and a #5 defensive D for the best player on the planet

Kind of you to not mention that "goalie" is not a generic one, he is arguably the best one in the league, great age mid 20s, signed for decent $ and term. The D I added are not chopped liver, either

 

[bernmeister]

LOL YES it can.

Strome off the books
Chytil - $2.3
Igor - $5.6
Lindgren - $3.0- Trade

Simple as that I'm a genius!

Go back and reread posts 22 and 24.
Need depth, don't want to turn us into top heavy Leafs.
Guys we would have to move after upgrading to McD nt moveable due to protection clauses.
Chytil nec to replace exiting Strome

It doesn't work, too much to gut NY which is understandable, it is McD, but then it becomes counterproductive. Our window would shorten and we'd have less depth also bigger risk if injuries. In order to do this, esp mindful of cap, we would need, among other things, to guys who are like 2/3s of Zib and Panarin, but half the salary, plus some decent picks.

Not sure we can agree on what ++s are on both sides, but something around extended LeoDrai and Shesty can work, esp since NY has coupla good G prospects.

McD to NY does not fit

 

[Drake1588]

No deal with Shesterkin and McDavid is truly awful, as those are two premier talents, but I don't think either team wants to deal its guy here.

 

[slappipappi]

It does according to Cap friendly.

It works until the Rangers realize they need a goalie.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Kind of you to not mention that "goalie" is not a generic one, he is arguably the best one in the league, great age mid 20s, signed for decent $ and term. The D I added are not chopped liver, either

Broberg and Jones cancel each other out at best. Yes he’s a good goalie. Still a goalie non the less and absolutely not in the same realm of value

 

[bernmeister]

Broberg and Jones cancel each other out at best. Yes he’s a good goalie. Still a goalie non the less and absolutely not in the same realm of value

While it remains to be seen who ultimately actually delivers [will Jones = Fox lite at NHL level?]. I am good w/Broberg higher rated than Jones. But Jones + Lindgren, whi you dismiss like chopped liver, is currently a bit more than Broberg. Just a bit.

Like I said, Shesty is worth most/nearly all of LeoDrai
W/Shesty you are locking in at a good rate, and Drai will not extend at same generous # on renew. If you have no cap problem, who cares. If cap is real and tight, which is actually the case...

 

[Stuzchuk]

after re-signing the RFAs, it gives NYR a full lineup but at +/- 85.5M... the only way that I can see this trade being done to make everything works...

M. Zibanejad
I. Shesterkin

C. McDavid

Which would never happen

 

[Artemi Panarin]

Counter:

Shesty @ 50% retained
Fox @50% retained
Panarin @50% retained
Zibby @50% retained
2022 First Rounder
2023 First Rounder
2024 First Rounder Swap Option
2025 First Rounder Swap Option


and even then thats probably a no.

your offer is embarrassing

edit: an oilers fan made this offer???

Are you including Gretzky + a time machine for this?

 

[TFHockey]

after re-signing the RFAs, it gives NYR a full lineup but at +/- 85.5M... the only way that I can see this trade being done to make everything works...

M. Zibanejad
I. Shesterkin

C. McDavid

Which would never happen

Not enough coming to the Oilers.

 

[TGWL]

Doubt it, McDavid would be good enough to offset the goaltending. They would remain around 5th

Hope he's good enough to take them away from being 30th in the league for Corsi %. Otherwise they would not be in the same standing position with just any goalie.

 

[Soundwave]

McDavid is the best player in the world but you can win Stanley cups without a McDavid level center. It’s much harder to find a goalie that you can trust that can win you a cup.


If I’m the Oilers I ask for Fox and Shestyorkin.

If I’m the Rangers I decline.
Not good trade partners.

The Rangers wouldn't decline that because James Dolan, the owner would override the GM and make the trade.

McDavid in New York would be a huge business bonaza for him especially with the Knicks being shit again this year and the Brooklyn Nets become the NBA team to watch in the NY area. The Oilers would never offer it because the Oilers owner wouldn't allow it by the same token.

This stuff is way above the GMs ... they don't have the authority to make or deny a trade of this stature, it would be the owners running the show.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

No way the Rangers trade Shesterkin, he's propelled them into the playoffs.

If you swap Mcdavid for Shesterkin straight up Rangers would not be #5 in the league.

Yes, they would be higher than that.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Are you including Gretzky + a time machine for this?

And a special exception to the CBA that allows a team to retain on 4 contracts as opposed to the legal 3?

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

McDavid is the best player in the world but you can win Stanley cups without a McDavid level center. It’s much harder to find a goalie that you can trust that can win you a cup.


If I’m the Oilers I ask for Fox and Shestyorkin.

If I’m the Rangers I decline.
Not good trade partners.

No, no it's not. Just because Edmonton is riding with Mike Smith and Mikko Koskinen does not mean it is difficult to find a goalie you can win with. It is far more likely that you win with a McDavid level center and a Jordan Binnington level goalie than the other way around. Lundqvist was about as good as you could ever hope a goalie could be. How did that work out for the Rangers in terms of winning a Cup?

 

[AcerComputer]

If you are EDM you do this trade in a heartbeat, knowing you will lose McDavid to the Leafs a few years anyways.