McDavid heating up, what are odds on 150 points this season?

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When mcdavid finishes on multiple top 5 regular season teams like Crosby and ovechkin did, and still has no playoff success, he can be accused of chocking.

As of now, none of the three have won the cup on a team that finished 11th overall or worse like the Oilers have since mcdavid entered the league
 
When mcdavid finishes on multiple top 5 regular season teams like Crosby and ovechkin did, and still has no playoff success, he can be accused of chocking.

As of now, none of the three have won the cup on a team that finished 11th overall or worse like the Oilers have since mcdavid entered the league
37GP 21G 34A 55 Pts +17 = Choking? You can accuse the Oilers of not building a championship team around him but to call him a playoff choke is idiotic
 
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Lol ok. Because I don’t think he’ll make 150 I can’t be a fan. I am a Habs fan. I’m also an Oilers fan, go to Oilers games regularly, and own McDavid’s jersey. He’s my favourite player and I hope he does it - I just don’t think he will.

I’ll quote you specifically in this thread at the end of the season when he falls short and you can eat crow. Too much has to go right and he’s barely keeping pace right now. He probably sits a few games for rest in April and that’s all it will take. See you then.

Remember, a few days ago, you were talking about him finishing with 120-125 points in 80-82 games.

How do you watch this guy night in and night out and not see that he’s hit another gear on top of his already wildly impressive start to his career?

Are you going to try and make people eat crow if he hits something like 148 points and plays 81 games?

He’s not going to be sitting for rest when the Oilers are likely going to be solidifying their playoff position going into the final weeks of the season and if he does, it will be the final game of the season like last year.

His rest comes when the Oilers jump out to huge leads through 2 periods and then he plays a 5-6 minutes in the third period.
 
Remember, a few days ago, you were talking about him finishing with 120-125 points in 80-82 games.

How do you watch this guy night in and night out and not see that he’s hit another gear on top of his already wildly impressive start to his career?

Are you going to try and make people eat crow if he hits something like 148 points and plays 81 games?

He’s not going to be sitting for rest when the Oilers are likely going to be solidifying their playoff position going into the final weeks of the season and if he does, it will be the final game of the season like last year.

His rest comes when the Oilers jump out to huge leads through 2 periods and then he plays a 5-6 minutes in the third period.
Yes I am, because I simply stated my opinion that I don’t believe he’ll make 150 because it’s such an elusive, rare feat and too much can go wrong and I’m being lambasted for it and being told I’m not a fan.

As for what you are talking about the other day: I said I believe there’s a chance he finishes under 130 like he always does, which there is. It is looking somewhat unlikely at this point, but anything can happen - injuries, wear & tear, fatigue, etc. Nothing is guaranteed. Acting like it is because it makes you feel better doesn’t change that.
 
As much as I’m in awe of him I still didn’t think 150 pace was maintainable but I’m starting to believe.
Every year narratives are being put to bed. There use to be a guy here complaining about secondary assists but if I heard right McDavid is leading the scoring race if you only count primary points
 
Yes I am, because I simply stated my opinion that I don’t believe he’ll make 150 because it’s such an elusive, rare feat and too much can go wrong and I’m being lambasted for it and being told I’m not a fan.

As for what you are talking about the other day: I said I believe there’s a chance he finishes under 130 like he always does, which there is. It is looking somewhat unlikely at this point, but anything can happen - injuries, wear & tear, fatigue, etc. Nothing is guaranteed. Acting like it is because it makes you feel better doesn’t change that.

The crux of anyone’s argument for 150 is that he plays 82 games. I don’t really understand you bringing in the obvious point that anything can happen. Every one of us who thinks he can notch that many points only believes so if he plays the full slate.
 
The crux of anyone’s argument for 150 is that he plays 82 games. I don’t really understand you bringing in the obvious point that anything can happen. Every one of us who thinks he can notch that many points only believes so if he plays the full slate.
Maybe yourself, but others are claiming he’s a lock for 150, and some are saying they think he’s going to hit 160+.
 
Isn't it great that we can have this (occasionally embarrassing, but that's the main board) discussion, though?

I remember when Jamie Benn won the scoring title on some cheap empty-net assist or whatever in the last game, reaching the amazing level of 87 points total. People were wondering if 100-point seasons would henceforth be a thing of the past.

Now, we're back to talking about 150.
 
Maybe in the sense they're forced to play McDavid huge minutes down the stretch whereas if they re in a good position they can ease up maybe even let him sit a few games
McDavid is the kind if player that can rack up 3-4 points in a period and a half and be used sparingly after that. Witness last night’s game, didn’t see him much in the third, and not at all on the powerplay then.
 
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A point in 29 of his last 30 games. Looks pretty good overall.
This is a underrated acconplishment. Crosby scored in 28 out of 29 games in his best run back in 2010-11. It might be that we have to go all the way back to 1995-96 when the late great Teemu Selanne had a point in 35 games out of 36 games. The only game he went pointless was when Winnipeg surprised him with the news that he's getting traded and it threw him off his game that night. I defense of McDavid his only pointless game in the last 30 games was on new years eve so he was most likely playing totally wasted that night.
 
Lol ok. Because I don’t think he’ll make 150 I can’t be a fan. I am a Habs fan. I’m also an Oilers fan, go to Oilers games regularly, and own McDavid’s jersey. He’s my favourite player and I hope he does it - I just don’t think he will.

I’ll quote you specifically in this thread at the end of the season when he falls short and you can eat crow. Too much has to go right and he’s barely keeping pace right now. He probably sits a few games for rest in April and that’s all it will take. See you then.
You keep saying he's slowing down and barely keeping pace but that's false. He still holds a 150 point pace 50 games into the season which he did at the start of this thread. The only thing that's changed is we've gotten further into the season.

If he's close to 150 points at the end of the year he definitely won't be sat and even if he's something like 8 points away with two games left I don't think he'll sit. It's not uncommon for him to have 4-point games. He would have to be something like 15+ points away from 150 with 2 games left for him to be sat. And if he stays healthy that would mean he'd have a huge downswing in production compared to the start of the season which is something that's never happened so far in his career.

If he stays healthy it will be close and I think there's about a 50/50 chance he will do it. That's fine if you think otherwise, but almost every argument you've made in this thread is incorrect or poorly thought out.
 
Maybe yourself, but others are claiming he’s a lock for 150, and some are saying they think he’s going to hit 160+.
Who has claimed that? I've seen people say he's a lock for 120 if he stays healthy which I think is a fair comment, considering he would have to put up less than a ppg for his last 32 games to finish with only 120.
This is a underrated acconplishment. Crosby scored in 28 out of 29 games in his best run back in 2010-11. It might be that we have to go all the way back to 1995-96 when the late great Teemu Selanne had a point in 35 games out of 36 games. The only game he went pointless was when Winnipeg surprised him with the news that he's getting traded and it threw him off his game that night. I defense of McDavid his only pointless game in the last 30 games was on new years eve so he was most likely playing totally wasted that night.
I think this is the most impressive part of his run. Usually he has a few games where he's putting up 5 or so points and then he's left off the scoreboard in 2 of the following 3 or 4 games which just isn't happening.

The odd thing is that he isn't having many 4+ point games which I'm sure are soon to come. He could have had 6 points against Chicago if his teammates could bury some passes or if he capitalized on that breakaway. I think hyman has the greatest difference between goals scored and expected goals scored in the league right now.
 
Isn’t some of this going to depend upon the refs? As the season rolls along game management is starting to become more of a thing in lots of games I am watching. Trips holds and interference aren’t called if the timing and prior penalties weigh against a current call or a current team that would benefit from the power play. I think teams are starting to take advantage of that. If the refs let too much go after two quick power plays for a team guys like McDavid will slow down a bit .
 
Maybe yourself, but others are claiming he’s a lock for 150, and some are saying they think he’s going to hit 160+.

This forum has a problem with taking what is essentially a handful or less of people’s opinions and turning it into “others are claiming” as if it is a widespread phenomenon.

The vocal few calling for 160+, who I honestly can’t even recall, are not enough. As for 150, I’d say it’s somewhere around 50/50 at this point. For as many people saying he can possibly do it like me and even believing it will happen, there are just as many saying slow down, MAYBE 140 but 150 is nuts.

I think some of us would just like you to acknowledge that McDavid is on a 5 year heater and is in the process of conducting his masterpiece signature career season and proving that 2020-2021 was no fluke.

This is an underrated acconplishment. Crosby scored in 28 out of 29 games in his best run back in 2010-11. It might be that we have to go all the way back to 1995-96 when the late great Teemu Selanne had a point in 35 games out of 36 games. The only game he went pointless was when Winnipeg surprised him with the news that he's getting traded and it threw him off his game that night. I defense of McDavid his only pointless game in the last 30 games was on new years eve so he was most likely playing totally wasted that night.

If McDavid continues this trend of putting up points, he has to have one of the fewest pointless games in a season, outside Gretzky and Lemieux of course.

I looked through Yzerman, Esposito, and Nicholls’ 150+ point campaign game logs to see how many pointless games they had and where they stood 50 games into the season.

Yzerman had only 10 in 80 games. He had just 6 through 50 games played and all the way up through 58 games.

Esposito had 10 in 78 games. He had 7 through 50 games played.

Nicholls had 12 in 79 games. He had 6 through 50 games and up through game 54.

For fun, Lemieux’s 199 point season saw him go scoreless just 8 times in 76 games. He had just 5 through 50 games and all the way through game 56.

Of course, Gretzky is out of control. In 1985-1986 when he set the points record yet again with 215, he had at least a point in 48 out of his first 49 games, just 2 through 50, and only 3 out of 80 games played.

During 1983-1984, when he registered at least a point in his first 51 games, he also went pointless only 3 times out of 74 games.

Without going through the rest, I imagine those 5 seasons in a row where he averaged over 200 points, he probably only went pointless like 15 times out of 394 games. Absolute lunacy.

Perhaps McDavid can wedge himself in between Lemieux and the 3 other 150+ scorers not named Gretzky.
 
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Isn’t some of this going to depend upon the refs? As the season rolls along game management is starting to become more of a thing in lots of games I am watching. Trips holds and interference aren’t called if the timing and prior penalties weigh against a current call or a current team that would benefit from the power play. I think teams are starting to take advantage of that. If the refs let too much go after two quick power plays for a team guys like McDavid will slow down a bit .
It's definitely a possibility, especially combined with how lethal the Oilers' PP is. Against Vancouver and Columbus they only got 1 PP because they scored on their first chance.
 
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I know this will sound crazy, and Oiler fans back me up on this, but having watched every game this year I honestly feel like his total could have been even higher right now. Earlier in the season when he seemed to be on the ice with Puljujarvi a lot, there were a LOT of first assist opportuinities lost that most players with hands AHL quality or better would scored to make happen. Plus all the pp time missed with Kane (I think Hyman is a great and hard-working player, but he doesn't have Kane's hands).
 
Isn't it great that we can have this (occasionally embarrassing, but that's the main board) discussion, though?

I remember when Jamie Benn won the scoring title on some cheap empty-net assist or whatever in the last game, reaching the amazing level of 87 points total. People were wondering if 100-point seasons would henceforth be a thing of the past.

Now, we're back to talking about 150.

I would prefer it if it would just stay consistent so we could have better comparisons.
 
I know this will sound crazy, and Oiler fans back me up on this, but having watched every game this year I honestly feel like his total could have been even higher right now. Earlier in the season when he seemed to be on the ice with Puljujarvi a lot, there were a LOT of first assist opportuinities lost that most players with hands AHL quality or better would scored to make happen. Plus all the pp time missed with Kane (I think Hyman is a great and hard-working player, but he doesn't have Kane's hands).

Don't they have a stat for personal xG? That should give a decent numeric estimate on how puck luck has affected McDavid this season, right?
 
Don't they have a stat for personal xG? That should give a decent numeric estimate on how puck luck has affected McDavid this season, right?
In terms of raw points McDavid is getting hosed by his teammates 5x5. McDavid 13.13 expected, 21 actual. His teammates when he's on the ice are 34.35 expected and 23 actual. 11 extra GF = 8 more points McDavid's normal 5x5 IPP.
 
I know this will sound crazy, and Oiler fans back me up on this, but having watched every game this year I honestly feel like his total could have been even higher right now. Earlier in the season when he seemed to be on the ice with Puljujarvi a lot, there were a LOT of first assist opportuinities lost that most players with hands AHL quality or better would scored to make happen. Plus all the pp time missed with Kane (I think Hyman is a great and hard-working player, but he doesn't have Kane's hands).
Not crazy at all. McDavid is definitely hampered by linemates like Puljujarvi shitting the bed and having a negative effect on his production. The amount of tap-ins he sets up for his teammates that get wasted is absurd.

Probably deserves a few more EN points on top of that.
 
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Yes I am, because I simply stated my opinion that I don’t believe he’ll make 150 because it’s such an elusive, rare feat and too much can go wrong and I’m being lambasted for it and being told I’m not a fan.

As for what you are talking about the other day: I said I believe there’s a chance he finishes under 130 like he always does, which there is. It is looking somewhat unlikely at this point, but anything can happen - injuries, wear & tear, fatigue, etc. Nothing is guaranteed. Acting like it is because it makes you feel better doesn’t change that.
And you used evidence of last year of him having a 150 pace and not hitting it as evidence it won’t happen this year, while failing to notice he has held this pace for much longer.

You also aren’t an oiler fan, you’re in here waiting for him to fail so you can be like “I told you all! I’m the smartest in the room”
 
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