Speculation: Mcdavid and Eichel Contracts

[KrisLetAngry]

It's pretty much up to McDavid...he knows he'll get a blank check so he will need to decide how much to leave on the table for the team to fill in good linemates for a run at the SC.

My guess is he settles for around 8x$9million. Obviously, he could get more, but will he really demand more...not sure.

That is so low.

Crosby got 8.7 and the cap was way lower.

He is said to be the next one like Crosby and Gretzky and lemuix

 

[93LEAFS]

Baseball operates much differently though. I get your point that Fehr's background resides there, but it doesn't change the fact that the money/TV contracts/gate revenues are all very different, not to mention the culture of the athletes (sorry, but there are way more divas in baseball - I'm looking at you Jose "I want 6 years, 150 mil despite my declining performance" Bautista).

Crosby took 8.7 per over 12 years, basically conceding any chance to ever be a UFA. Was there different circumstances? Sure, his concussion issue was still a bit worrisome, and the contract structure was different because there weren't limitations to term yet. The cap was close to the same (69 mil when it kicked in, not much different from current figures). But he was also a cup winner and, despite the concussion, still the best player in the world (at worst, top 3).

I'm shocked that so many people consider the 8 year, 9.7 per suggestion to be some slap in the face. McDavid would still have the potential to be a UFA at age 29, he would only give up 4
UFA years, and he'd still be in the top 5 salaries in the game directly out of his ELC. It is very fair for both parties. This is aside from the fact his personality really suggests that he would be the type to leave a bit on the table if it can make the team better (see his friends Stamkos and Tavares).

If he tears the league a new one and finishes 30 points ahead of everyone, maybe we can revisit these max contract suggestions, but to be paid top 5 in the league coming out of your ELC (which 9.7 would be) is well within reason for McDavid.

Baseball has different dynamics, but the push for top players to set benchmark deals is still there, and exists in all sports, even the ones with caps. See the deal Ovi took at the end of his ELC. He became the highest paid player in the league behind Jagr who was signed pre-cap. I believe McDavid's camp will push for a deal on part with Toews and Kane.

An example of this would be Matthews latest deal, there was obviously union/agent pressure to ensure that he got max bonuses, because him accepting less makes it harder for the next first overall pick to get max bonuses.

I'm quite sure I've heard Kyprios talk about this, but I can't find the exact quotes.

 

[leaflover]

Hard to say with Eichel. If he has an injury riddled year he might be better off waiting another year and negotiate after that.

McDavid will be an 8 digit number.

 

[snipes]

As has been said numerous times, McDavid will get a blank cheque from our billionaire owner Katz.

Easiest negotiation imaginable. McDavid already makes so much money in endorsements and sponsorship deals, I imagine he'll also want to build a winning team around him. He'll write his own salary.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

That is so low.

Crosby got 8.7 and the cap was way lower.

He is said to be the next one like Crosby and Gretzky and lemuix

Crosby signed a year early and got 8.7M. His contract was about 15 percent of the salary cap when his contract kicked in (significantly more when he signed the year earlier). With the slow pace the cap is going, if it goes up to 75M, McDavid's equivalent would be about 11.5M on a 5 year deal. If the cap goes up more or less, that amount would obviously change.

I will say though, it is hard to look at contracts from 10 years ago and use them as baselines because so much changes, and teams were still sort of figuring the cap out. The best most recent example might be Stamkos getting 7.5M under a 64.3M salary cap on a 5 year deal. That would work out to just shy of 9M on a 75M cap. This might be an indicator that people saying 9.7M on a 4-5 year deal are pretty close.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

McDavid - 9.7 M x 15 years.
Eichel - 7M x 8 years.

 

[Siludin]

McDavid will get 9.7 just like Crosby got 8.7. They are going to try to emulate the Crosby storyline as closely as possible.

 

[Siludin]

McDavid - 9.7 M x 15 years.
Eichel - 7M x 8 years.

Can't do 15-year contracts

 

[Stuzchuk]

Can't do 15-year contracts

...anymore... thx DiPietro

Jesus 9-10M over 8

Eich: 7.5 over 8

 

[Not Sure]

McDavid will get 9.7 just like Crosby got 8.7. They are going to try to emulate the Crosby storyline as closely as possible.

8.7 was a larger percentage of the cap when Crosby signed, McDavid isn't going to take that much less than max just to emulate Crosby.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Crosby signed a year early and got 8.7M. His contract was about 15 percent of the salary cap when his contract kicked in (significantly more when he signed the year earlier). With the slow pace the cap is going, if it goes up to 75M, McDavid's equivalent would be about 11.5M on a 5 year deal. If the cap goes up more or less, that amount would obviously change.

I will say though, it is hard to look at contracts from 10 years ago and use them as baselines because so much changes, and teams were still sort of figuring the cap out. The best most recent example might be Stamkos getting 7.5M under a 64.3M salary cap on a 5 year deal. That would work out to just shy of 9M on a 75M cap. This might be an indicator that people saying 9.7M on a 4-5 year deal are pretty close.

Thanks for doing the math I'm doing too much math atm to even do some actual math on the side haha.

But ye I'm on the 9.7 4-5 bandwagon

 

[Siludin]

8.7 was a larger percentage of the cap when Crosby signed, McDavid isn't going to take that much less than max just to emulate Crosby.

He might. Depends if he does as much in his rookie contract as Crosby. Can he lead his team to the finals by next year while winning a Hart, Art Ross, Lindsay?

Crosby was also the best player at the World Championships in his first pro season.

I say that unless Edmonton is a Stanley Cup contender by next year, McDavid shouldn't be asking for anything above $10m, even if he scores 90-100 points.

 

[Shmuffalo]

I'm wagering on the higher side, so:

McDavid 8 years 88 million; AAV 11m)

Eichel - This is different, since he will be able to sign an extension after this season, and he'll be hampered by an injury: If he finishes the season well, I can see 8 years; 56 million. I think Eichel is foolish to sign an extension next summer.

Now if he waits for next season to pass, and continues to tear it up - 8 years; 72 million; AAV 9.

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Anyways, I'm sleepy and would give this more thought, but I know they'll be paid according to production, as well as expectation. Cost rises when players are labeled as franchise and generational players before they're even drafted.

It'll be exciting to see. As well as Eichel's contract impact on Reinhart .

 

[Soundwave]

I don't have a problem paying him whatever, but I think McDavid is the type of kid who'd be willing to take a little less because he wants to be on a winning team.

Like Crosby, McDavid also makes a considerably chunk of change off endorsements. Already has Rogers, Adidas, Canadian Tire, CIBC, Bio Steel, and it seems like Tim Horton's is pushing him more, I think they will sign him officially soon. And whenever McDonalds Canada decides to allign with the NHL again, that's a no brainer.

So I mean I think while it's not like an NBA superstar, he's still pulling in probably an extra $2 million+ per year in endorsements per year, he's already marketed out the wazoo in Canada where hockey is the main sport.

It's also why I don't think Crosby really sweats making "only" 8.7 .... his endorsements, a lot of them in Canada, ensure he's paid pretty much as much as any other player in the sport at the end of the day.

The funny thing is I think there's fewer marketing opportunities in the US for players. In Canada, hockey is the equivalent to the NFL, so if you are a Connor McDavid, especially playing in Canada, you're gonna get paid.

 

[Not Sure]

He might. Depends if he does as much in his rookie contract as Crosby. Can he lead his team to the finals by next year while winning a Hart, Art Ross, Lindsay?

Crosby was also the best player at the World Championships in his first pro season.

I say that unless Edmonton is a Stanley Cup contender by next year, McDavid shouldn't be asking for anything above $10m, even if he scores 90-100 points.

Crosby also had very real questions around his health and concussions. Crosby basically took a max contract but for 12 years, at a time when people thought he may not actually be able to play out the entire deal. He got a fully guaranteed $104.4 million deal, that's a ton of money, it only seems team friendly by today's standards because it was signed so long ago.

Id love if players jersey numbers were more important to contract numbers than actual production. I'd take Eichel for 15 years at $1.5, but that's not how it works. McDavid seems like a kid with his head on straight, I don't know how that seems to imply to people that he'd be willing to count his endorsement money towards his salary. I'd imagine he wants the same thing every other man or woman on the planet wants, to be paid what he's worth, period. He may bend a bit if it comes down to needing an extra half a million to sign his line mate, that doesn't mean he will take a pay cut because the billionaire owner wants to pay him less.

I don't see fans suggesting gm's should take a little less, really it's only players we seem to think should play for less than their worth to help the team win. Well I'm sorry to tell you but this isn't the 70'same when guys spent their entire careers with one team and wouldn't even think of playing elsewhere. These players are brought up as players and business men, they know if they don't produce the team will have no qualms cutting them loose, they are told to make as much as possible for as long as possible and that's what McDavid will do.

You still want to believe the number has to be 97 somehow? How about $97 million over 7 years? I think that will be closer to what he actually gets, maybe he will toss them an extra UFA year if he's already decided to retire an Oiler. Just don't expect him to tell his agent he can take a couple million less because Tim Hortons and McDonald's really came through, that's laughable.

 

[ThatSaid]

Because seeing the best player in the NHL on a competitive team might be fun

For who? The tiny percentage of fans that root for Edmonton? Please. If it looks like McDavid is getting lowballed, which probably won't happen, why wouldn't a team in the league with cap+requisite picks offer-sheet him and force Edmonton to match? IN what world would Edmonton not match any offer-sheet?

Getting him at sub-ten AAV for max term should be Edmonton's target. If they fall short of 9, expect offer sheets to force Edmonton's hands.

Even if they get forced to lock him up at 10ish for 8 years, they should take it and run. He's well worth the price. The ball is in McDavid's court if he continues his high level of play. He'll get league max if he asks for it and stands strong. You just have to hope he's willing to take a discount so the team can maintain a strong roster.

 

[snipes]

For who? The tiny percentage of fans that root for Edmonton? Please. If it looks like McDavid is getting lowballed, which probably won't happen, why wouldn't a team in the league with cap+requisite picks offer-sheet him and force Edmonton to match? IN what world would Edmonton not match any offer-sheet?

Getting him at sub-ten AAV for max term should be Edmonton's target. If they fall short of 9, expect offer sheets to force Edmonton's hands.

Even if they get forced to lock him up at 10ish for 8 years, they should take it and run. He's well worth the price. The ball is in McDavid's court if he continues his high level of play. He'll get league max if he asks for it and stands strong. You just have to hope he's willing to take a discount so the team can maintain a strong roster.

He'll have a blank cheque to write his own contract for 8 years. He'll be an Oiler for life.

In terms of your "tiny percentage" comment, EDM is 1 of 7 teams that have 1,000,000+ posts in our subforum. We're also near the top 1/3 in terms of team valuations and revenues. If you want to spew that "tiny percentage" talk, why don't you look at some of the southern franchises.

Don't worry, our captain won't be lowballed. It will be the easiest contract negotiation imaginable .

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

$97m over 8 years for McDavid.

 

[BlueBaron]

I know a good many like to think these guys are motivated by greed only but a good many players have settled for less than market value to make their teams competitive and improve their chances to win. Some of you forget winning is pretty damn important to these guys, they are brain washed on the subject.

I agree there will be union pressure but I would expect McDavid's next contract to be in the 10.5 mil area . Yes he could command 12 or more but if he wants the Oilers to be a dynasty a little cut could go a long way.

Eichel it is harder to tell, he has a lot more room to grow.

 

[Captain Controversy]

Eichel should get 7 million at the most. Anything over that and Buffalo will regret it.
He is in the same stardom as Hall, Gaudreau, Monahan and so on. He is not a crosby, Mcdavid, malkin, ovechkin.

 

[snipes]

I know a good many like to think these guys are motivated by greed only but a good many players have settled for less than market value to make their teams competitive and improve their chances to win. Some of you forget winning is pretty damn important to these guys, they are brain washed on the subject.

I agree there will be union pressure but I would expect McDavid's next contract to be in the 10.5 mil area . Yes he could command 12 or more but if he wants the Oilers to be a dynasty a little cut could go a long way.

Eichel it is harder to tell, he has a lot more room to grow.

Exactly. The Edmonton Oilers are his team. He's the captain, leader, and face of this franchise. Soon the NHL, his talent is undeniable. He'll get whatever he wants, I don't see him seeking 12 M+. He's considerate enough to know that he needs teammates around him. I imagine he'll be in the $9.5-10.5 M range. Either way, he'll write his own contract for 8 years.

People thinking he'll want to be a UFA as soon as possible probably don't understand the type of person he is. When "boycott" talks came up from Eastern media about McDavid not wanting to be an Oiler he said: "There was a lot of doubts about me coming to Erie when I was being drafted (to the OHL) and I've come here and it’s been the best three years of my life". All that boycott or not reporting stuff got shut down right away.

He seems like someone motivated to be the best hockey player in the world and wants to build a winning team. This might come across as a shock to some, but maybe he's proud to be an Oiler and wants to build something special with the team that drafted him?

 

[Mad Brills*]

The NHLPA will probably force him to not take a cent under 9 million on his deal.

 

[ThatSaid]

He'll have a blank cheque to write his own contract for 8 years. He'll be an Oiler for life.

In terms of your "tiny percentage" comment, EDM is 1 of 7 teams that have 1,000,000+ posts in our subforum. We're also near the top 1/3 in terms of team valuations and revenues. If you want to spew that "tiny percentage" talk, why don't you look at some of the southern franchises.

Don't worry, our captain won't be lowballed. It will be the easiest contract negotiation imaginable .

I agree with what you said about McDavid. But, even if you are a top grossing team with a loyal fanbase, which I know you are, its still a tiny percentage of NHL fans that root for the Oilers. Same for every team.

My only point was that nobody outside of the Oiler sphere wants to see the Oilers do well for the sake of McDavid. If the Oilers did try to lowball him on his first RFA contract, of course teams are going to offer-sheet him and force Edmonton to match. Nobody outside of the Oilers care if the Oilers do well. In fact, there are a lot of divisional rivals who want to see them continue to pick in the top 5.

It was in response to the comment from some poster who implied that teams would not offer-sheet him because "It might be fun watching the best player in the league on a competitive team." That's some crazy wishful thinking right there.

 

[mashedpotato]

Give McJesus maximum everything per CBA.

Isn't it that simple?

Eichle on the other hand will require more evaluation. It'll likely come down to comparable; ie., who's he compared to in league.

 

[snipes]

I agree with what you said about McDavid. But, even if you are a top grossing team with a loyal fanbase, which I know you are, its still a tiny percentage of NHL fans that root for the Oilers. Same for every team.

My only point was that nobody outside of the Oiler sphere wants to see the Oilers do well for the sake of McDavid. If the Oilers did try to lowball him on his first RFA contract, of course teams are going to offer-sheet him and force Edmonton to match. Nobody outside of the Oilers care if the Oilers do well. In fact, there are a lot of divisional rivals who want to see them continue to pick in the top 5.

It was in response to the comment from some poster who implied that teams would not offer-sheet him because "It might be fun watching the best player in the league on a competitive team." That's some crazy wishful thinking right there.

Yeah, I went back and looked at the context. Teams don't give a **** about us, nor should they.

Thankfully it won't get to an offer sheet situation.