You need excellent goaltending in a tourney like this. Canada has had subpar goaltending these past 5 years, and it shows year in and year out. No good goaltender should have allowed that second goal. There is not much Hockey Canada can do when most of the top players decline invites.
GDT: May 22 • Quarterfinal • Canada 2, Finland 3
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No goaltender should have allowed those last two goals you mean.
It's a shame USA hockey is becoming more respected by Europeans than Hockey Canada is. I'm starting to think the organization has some serious organizational egos. I'm not surprised though, this is very common with anything that involves a Canadian organization. A lot of bureaucratic red tape, and no one willing to take the fall from becoming complacent.
The second goal was much more terrible than the third. Both goals were bad goals, but i thought that second goal was a backbreaker with that long shot and puck trickling in. Amateur level goaltending costs Canada again in the QF. What else is new.
Rinne without the injuries is up there competing with Rask thoStrange tho his only Finlands 4th best goalkeeper
Something needs to change for Canada. With their pool of talent they should be in the final game about every year no matter what players they get.
And its hilarious that some people are complaining about guys like Tyler Myers and Kevin Bieksa being on the roster. Have you ever heard of Jyri Marttinen, Tommi Kivistö and Ville Lajunen. That's right.
And its hilarious that some people are complaining about guys like Tyler Myers and Kevin Bieksa being on the roster. Have you ever heard of Jyri Marttinen, Tommi Kivistö and Ville Lajunen. That's right.
True but that was more than 2 years ago. Next season things back in order if he stays healthy.
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The answers happen when there is topic full of Canadian posters even though they don't care, its not exactly believable.
That said, I do relize that Skoda Cup isn't big in Canada like it is here. The thing is, I don't care do you care, that's why I'm happy for the win.
What is the Skoda cup? Is that what they call the trophy for this tourney? Never heard that name in my life.
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No they don't call it like that.
In Finland, the tournament is some times referred (as humor) as "Skoda Cup" because Skoda is the main sponsor of the tournament, and also because it is held every year and doesn't draw the best players in the tournament, so it's used instead of World Championships.
They have tried different Mgt. Committees, coaches, players, but the bottom line is- you cannot force anyone to play for your country if they do not. That is why Canada is left to rely on guys like Joel Ward, Scrivens, Myers, Bieksa, etc. I won't be surprised if Canada does not make it out of the QF for the next several years as well. There is not much you can do when the good players hang up the phone and decline invites. You are left to rely on D players, and it translates into D results.
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No it's not, this is the Skoda Cup, especially in an Olympic year.
Take away Pekka Rinne and this finnish team would barely make it out of the first round in the finnish liiga playoffs.
It's almost the crime of the century that Finland won today. Canada had at least 4 posts (+ Scrivens gifted us a goal)and dominated the game.
But that's hockey, wins are not always deserved.
I don't know what you want me to say..We had Ben Scrivens who is a glorified back-up goalie as our starter. You can talk about the rest of the team all you want but you need good goaltending in this tournament and we just don't have players committing to this tournament that are worth a damn. Nobody from Canada are committing, the players are either still in the playoffs or too injured or just decide to decline. Whoever we have were 3rd or 4th options. Nazem Kadri..I'm a Leaf fan but he wouldn't even be near a Canadian national team for the Olympics. Jason Garrison...Tyler Myers. arggg garbage with a capital G
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I have seen several posts in past threads by Canadians speculating about how many teams Canada could field that would win medals in the Olympics or WC. If you want to be realistic about that question, the number is probably 2. Obviously, the Canadian A team would be a high probability to win Gold. If you formed a Canadian B Team including no A Team members, you would have a reasonably high probability of winning Bronze, and it could possibly even win Silver with a heroic effort. But no Canadian C Team would win a medal in either the Olympics or the WC going up against other A Teams. The record in past years shows that Canada is not regularly winning medals in the WC with B or C Teams.
All that means nothing. Scrivens would be on Team Canada's D team. Rinne showed the importance of good goaltending. Scrivens allowed two soft goals and it cost them. It all starts and ends with goaltending. Canada was a better team today, but Scrivens was a backup for a reason for most of his NHL career. He failed, and i am glad he said that after the game that goaltending was the reason they lost.
Yep, all I cared was that they make quarters to keep that streak up. This team is just as terrible as before even after this win. We didn't even deserve a spot in quarters, had to acquire it through some Swiss heroics.
It's time for Hockey Canada to shift from its NHL-only mentality when piecing together the "World Championship" roster, and start using Canadian players who are overseas in leagues such as Switzerland.
I know some will say take the best players available, but the NHL players might not necessarily be the best for this tournament. It's most likely going to be played on big ice, and there are some Canadians overseas who are better suited to playing on the big ice than some Canadians in the NHL who play in the "worlds." They're used to the big ice, they're used to the international game, the shoddy officiating and the more stringent enforcement of rules, and the players overseas won't be battling jet lag when the tournament begins.
Also, the guys playing overseas haven't had the grinding, demanding seasons like NHL players. They don't play nearly as many games, they don't have the travel, and the games overseas aren't as physical or as intense as NHL games. They've had a chance to recuperate that NHL players (particularly those eliminated in the first round) haven't had.
A junior A team in Alberta will have more games and more travel than a team in the Swiss Elite League.
And, for Canadian NHL players, the World Championships are often a consolation prize at best. It's great to play for their country, and it's a neat experience for a younger player, but none of them really want to be there. They want to be in the Stanley Cup playoffs, not in the Worlds.
Ask any Canadian player their thoughts on the World Championship. They'll tell you it's a cool experience, but they never want to do it again.
The real World Championship is the Olympics. For most players, the annual IIHF World Championships are that in name only. So it's time for a shift. Take six or eight Canadians playing overseas, because they're likely better suited to this tournament than a lot of the guys we're taking there now.
(Incidentally, I cringe whenever I see that a Canucks' player is in this tournament. I want those players to have as long of an off-season as possible, so that they have a chance to recuperate. There's also the risk of injuries).
I know some will say take the best players available, but the NHL players might not necessarily be the best for this tournament. It's most likely going to be played on big ice, and there are some Canadians overseas who are better suited to playing on the big ice than some Canadians in the NHL who play in the "worlds." They're used to the big ice, they're used to the international game, the shoddy officiating and the more stringent enforcement of rules, and the players overseas won't be battling jet lag when the tournament begins.
Also, the guys playing overseas haven't had the grinding, demanding seasons like NHL players. They don't play nearly as many games, they don't have the travel, and the games overseas aren't as physical or as intense as NHL games. They've had a chance to recuperate that NHL players (particularly those eliminated in the first round) haven't had.
A junior A team in Alberta will have more games and more travel than a team in the Swiss Elite League.
And, for Canadian NHL players, the World Championships are often a consolation prize at best. It's great to play for their country, and it's a neat experience for a younger player, but none of them really want to be there. They want to be in the Stanley Cup playoffs, not in the Worlds.
Ask any Canadian player their thoughts on the World Championship. They'll tell you it's a cool experience, but they never want to do it again.
The real World Championship is the Olympics. For most players, the annual IIHF World Championships are that in name only. So it's time for a shift. Take six or eight Canadians playing overseas, because they're likely better suited to this tournament than a lot of the guys we're taking there now.
(Incidentally, I cringe whenever I see that a Canucks' player is in this tournament. I want those players to have as long of an off-season as possible, so that they have a chance to recuperate. There's also the risk of injuries).
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These players that "aren't worth a damn" are still above decent NHL players. You're making it sound like they got picked from a local beer league.
Again, we (among many other countries) have injuries and players declining too, so it's not like this is a thing that applies to Canada only. It's not an excuse to underachieve when you can't get the best players to participate, considering the amount of good players still available for Canada.
At the end of the day you had Rinne, and we had Scrivens. That says it all. Rinne would be on Team Finland's A team (one of three goalies). It all comes down to goaltending. Forget the rest.
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