GDT: May 14 • Quarterfinal • Finland vs. Czech Republic

[IAM]

So Kontiola is the puck carrier but he doesn`t have the puck anymore?

LOL. Tripped by the own guy


It takes nothing off from czech if they admit that it was poor reffing and they were the ones who got good out of it. You are still on the semis.

 

[schmiedi]

I think it`s to easy to say the refs are the reason that finland lose.

cze was better yesterday and surprisely they have the better keeper...
At this tournament rinne makes a record but i don´t think that he played well.

Against USA and CZE he was terrible. His only good game was against RUS.
The rest of the games he was ok because against SLO,DEN,NOR, a lot of keepers can have a shoutout.

In the key games he wasn´t good.
The only game a Keeper steel for Finland was Jusse Saros against SVK in this tournament

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

LOL. Tripped by the own guy


It takes nothing off from czech if they admit that it was poor reffing and they were the ones who got good out of it. You are still on the semis.

Didn't even notice that before. If the other Czech defender didn't have his stick behind his teammates legs (which made him fall) he stays on his feet and Kontiola doesn't get the penalty.

At first i didn't have a problem with the call but now it's clear that's a very, very weak and cost us a goal.

Of course the refs don't have the luxury of watching these replays so there's that.

But yeah.. My interest in the WC's took a hit, something that's never happened before no matter how we have lost.

 

[joey16]

I don't know if I'm blind but I see no tripping there. He fell because of the hit to the face.

 

[Salavat Yulaev]

I don't know if I'm blind but I see no tripping there. He fell because of the hit to the face.

there is nothing to argue about:
hit to face -> penalty

 

[KurtSloan]

I think it`s to easy to say the refs are the reason that finland lose.

cze was better yesterday and surprisely they have the better keeper...
At this tournament rinne makes a record but i don´t think that he played well.

Against USA and CZE he was terrible. His only good game was against RUS.
The rest of the games he was ok because against SLO,DEN,NOR, a lot of keepers can have a shoutout.

In the key games he wasn´t good.
The only game a Keeper steel for Finland was Jusse Saros against SVK in this tournament

It is still interference! he fall after the punch to the head so it could be even roughing. But I don't wanna start another flame. The game is over.

The only big mistake was before our 2nd goal, I agree.

 

[llwyd]

Well, in the NHL that wouldn't be called or would be universally condemned as an awful mistake, but the IIHF is bit different - to my mind it was a mistake but an understandable one and not totally out of line. Maybe there is also a cultural difference, Finns tend to notice stickplays easier and physical play in a playoff match is quite expected, so to my mind that absolutely was regular tough play in front of the goal and not a penalty. Anyway, the better team won, so this pickering is bit academic.

 

[Finnpin]

there is nothing to argue about:
hit to face -> penalty

More like a push. Respected former Finnish referee Seppo Mäkelä commented that you can't call every situation on the rink or there would be players in the box all the time. Also said that referees gotta have some eye for the game and this was also playoff type of game where you can't call every "battle." Also Kemppainen's stick was hit off by Czech player on PP but no call --> result: goal.

Mäkelä also recommended that IIHF should take at least 3-4 pair of referees from NHL.

But game is over. Time to move on.

 

[IAM]

Also you can see that Czech player was holding Kontiolas stick. So he gave him a little push to get loose. So it went horribly wrong that there is nothing to argue about.

 

[Salavat Yulaev]

More like a push. Respected former Finnish referee Seppo Mäkelä commented that you can't call every situation on the rink or there would be players in the box all the time. Also said that referees gotta have some eye for the game and this was also playoff type of game where you can't call every "battle." Also Kemppainen's stick was hit off by Czech player on PP but no call --> result: goal.

Mäkelä also recommended that IIHF should take at least 3-4 pair of referees from NHL.

But game is over. Time to move on.

i.e. you can't call against Finland whatever they do

 

[JJTT]

i.e. you can't call against Finland whatever they do

Do you honestly think that refs did a good job?

 

[Mestaruus]

Agreed on that. The only bad call from refs to our advantage and not justified. Refs returned the favor when Simon (or Kovar?) was running solo on Rinne and two your D-men just swepped him down. To which i said - we used that unfair advantage and you didnt (altough ours was bigger - yet Simon COULD have scored too).

You just don't seem to understand the difference of 4on3 vs 5on4 PP advantages. You need to calm down, your opinions are just as biased for Czech as most Finns' opinions about Finland here.

 

[Salavat Yulaev]

Do you honestly think that refs did a good job?

in this particular case? YES!

 

[Rexor]

Just FYI, the Czech TV announcers asked some guys from the TSN about the interference call, and even they confirmed it was a clear interference that would have been called by NHL refs too. Not sure what some of our Finnish friends are trying to achieve here. You can feel bitter about the Erat's slash (I didn't see it but anyway) but I could name two or three blatant violations by Finnish players that weren't called either, stuff like this happens every game.

 

[llwyd]

It seems that according to the rules as Kontiola and the defender were fighting for the possession of the puck that Kontiola brought towards the goal, it is deemed that both are seen to be in possession, so legitimate targets for that kind of play. I think this is a correct way to see it, but not unnatural that in an IIHF game there would still be a call, though it can't be interferance. In many leagues that wouldn't have been a penalty though.

 

[IAM]

in this particular case? YES!

So you must be blind then. Kontiolas stick was held by D-man. Kontiola gave him a little push and D went down because the other Czech D had stick between his legs. PURE JOKE.

 

[Salavat Yulaev]

So you must be blind then. Kontiolas stick was held by D-man. Kontiola gave him a little push and D went down because the other Czech D had stick between his legs. PURE JOKE.

You may present it even in worse way. Czech player blocked Kontiola's stick by his face!

 

[IAM]

You may present it even in worse way. Czech player blocked Kontiola's stick by his face!

I presented as it was. You can see every detail on that gif.

 

[Ralgo]

You may present it even in worse way. Czech player blocked Kontiola's stick by his face!

Good god, I never realized this. Lets hope that Kontiolas's stick is ok

 

[Salavat Yulaev]

I presented as it was. You can see every detail on that gif.

So you can't call the Finnish hit to face, but you MUST call whenever Finnish stick seems to be held. Sounds logic

 

[IAM]

Good god, I never realized this. Lets hope that Kontiolas's stick is ok

86
RULE 145 – HOLDING THE STICK
DEFINITION: A player who grabs an opponent’s stick with one hand or
two to prevent him from skating, playing the puck, or otherwise playing
the game freely, or any act of preventing an opponent from using his stick.
i.
A player who holds an opponent’s stick will be assessed a minor penalty

 

[Alexandrov]

Just FYI, the Czech TV announcers asked some guys from the TSN about the interference call, and even they confirmed it was a clear interference that would have been called by NHL refs too. Not sure what some of our Finnish friends are trying to achieve here. You can feel bitter about the Erat's slash (I didn't see it but anyway) but I could name two or three blatant violations by Finnish players that weren't called either, stuff like this happens every game.

The "slash" was perfectly ok. Didn't see it during the game but on replay it was very much just a stick lift/stick check and Kemppainen didn't have enough of a grip to hold on to his stick.

Here it is: https://twitter.com/RealWirer/status/598933093769154560

I'm still not okay with the Kontiola penalty. Driving the net, fighting through a check while defender is holding his stick -> interference. It was net front battle which Kontiola won and was penalised for it. As far as I know there's a lot of leeway on pushing/shoving in front of the net.

Stoked to see some Jagr magic in QFs though. Can't believe that guy is 43. He looks way better than Selanne did.

 

[Jablkon]

So you must be blind then. Kontiolas stick was held by D-man. Kontiola gave him a little push and D went down because the other Czech D had stick between his legs. PURE JOKE.

How many times you have to scan it? Its obvious he punched him into his face. Stick between legs is just your theory. If you like it in this way,just watch tennis and dragoon eyes.This is hockey,things like this happen.I can not blame him for interference.....

 

[Salavat Yulaev]

OK let's imagine the referee was a super-trooper NHL ref who sees every single motion.
1. Kontiola's stick is held by Czech D-man
2. Ref rises his hand - dealyed penalty to Czech team
3. Kontiola hits Czech D-man to the face
4. Penalty to Finland whoever touches a puck
Result: NO GOAL IN ANY CASE

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

Just FYI, the Czech TV announcers asked some guys from the TSN about the interference call, and even they confirmed it was a clear interference that would have been called by NHL refs too. Not sure what some of our Finnish friends are trying to achieve here. You can feel bitter about the Erat's slash (I didn't see it but anyway) but I could name two or three blatant violations by Finnish players that weren't called either, stuff like this happens every game.

I seriously doubt that. There are worse stuff going on around the net in the NHL playoffs and most of the time they don't even call those. And i watch a game or two every day (when there's games). These elimination games are equivalent to playoffs so extra aggression should be tolerable IMO. I can almost guarantee if this play was the other way around that goal counts.

Kontiola is probably the weakest guy on our team. The defender most likely stays on his feet from that push if his teammate didn't have his stick between that guys legs.

But yeah.. We have the luxury of seeing that play slow mode. And even then it's a 50/50 call. So im not saying it's a brutal call in any way.

Speculating about that one play is pointless anyway. The only really bad mistake from the refs is that slash/lifting of the stick and that's it.

Just congrats on the win and let's move on my fellow Finns