Player Discussion Max Domi Part II

[DramaticGloveSave]

I just choked on my Pepsi when I read Domi is playing like a 1C

It's like people close their eyes when actual #1s play hockey.

Or it’s like you aren’t watching the games.

I don’t know how sustainable it is, but Domi is certainly playing at a 1C level right now. His production, usage and 2 way play speaks for itself.

 

[ECWHSWI]

[mod]

I know I was impressed by this kid when he was in juniors and he blew my socks off at the Junior Championships and yes I watched some of his games in the desert. But of course you know better cause you can talk out of your ass.

There were a few of us when the trade went down who said he was a much better player than his record showed but you didn't read those posts. Did ya? Wanna know why. I'll give you one guess. It has to do with your special talent.

wow! I'm quite impressed by how far off you are, don't think it was possible...

FOLLOWING a player in his previous NHL team AND again FOLLOWING another in Europe, U20 etc... BOTH in different timezone, BOTH in different timezone than where the poster is, ALL more or less having their season at the same time...

and then there's you... remembering seeing a few of his game in Jr and some of his game as a Yotes...



and you think it's the same or something ? ? special talent a'right

 

[groovejuice]

Probably not the last time they'll be debating that lol.

No, probably not. But like all fanbases, they're being reactionary. It's only 2 games since Chucky came off an injury.

Once he and Keller get some chemistry going, they'll get their share of points.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Or it’s like you aren’t watching the games.

I don’t know how sustainable it is, but Domi is certainly playing at a 1C level right now. His production, usage and 2 way play speaks for itself.

Yeah he's playing like one now. I'm not sold on him being able to sustain this and I don't think he actually is a #1C but he's playing like a mid or low-ish #1C which is amazing. I just don't think we could get that lucky. I'm not even sure he can be a #2C in the long run but if his play is somewhat sustainable and he isn't a Mr.October then we could really have something. I'm trying to be cautious but he's making it hard. His ridiculous speed makes up for the not necessarily drool-worthy skill. Not saying he isn't skilled of course.

There's a good point to people who are preaching caution. It's not a big enough sample size. Even Tatar is coming down to earth a bit. I really don't know if I can see Domi evaporating to the point where I think I'd have rather kept Galchenyuk. But again, new team, he has a reputation for hot starts and we've annointed players as great prematurely only a million times. I get both sides.

 

[Habs Icing]

I just choked on my Pepsi when I read Domi is playing like a 1C

It's like people close their eyes when actual #1s play hockey.

I wouldn't say he's playing like #1. But his play so far would definitely put him as #2 on most teams.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Yeah he's playing like one now. I'm not sold on him being able to sustain this and I don't think he actually is a #1C but he's playing like a mid or low-ish #1C which is amazing. I just don't think we could get that lucky. I'm not even sure he can be a #2C in the long run but if his play is somewhat sustainable and he isn't a Mr.October then we could really have something. I'm trying to be cautious but he's making it hard. His ridiculous speed makes up for the not necessarily drool-worthy skill. Not saying he isn't skilled of course.

There's a good point to people who are preaching caution. It's not a big enough sample size. Even Tatar is coming down to earth a bit. I really don't know if I can see Domi evaporating to the point where I think I'd have rather kept Galchenyuk. But again, new team, he has a reputation for hot starts and we've annointed players as great prematurely only a million times. I get both sides.

I don’t have a crystal ball so I have no idea how it turns out, but the fact of the matter is through these first 8 games Domi has given us #1C caliber play. How WTK takes issue with that I have no idea. At no point did I say this is 100% who he is, just pointing out what we’ve seen so far.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Or it’s like you aren’t watching the games.

I don’t know how sustainable it is, but Domi is certainly playing at a 1C level right now. His production, usage and 2 way play speaks for itself.

He's producing at a 1C level. He's playing at a 2C level. Which is fantastic, but not the same thing.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

He's producing at a 1C level. He's playing at a 2C level. Which is fantastic, but not the same thing.

And your evidence for this definitive statement is what exactly?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Tatar + Domi outscoring Patch and Chucky 18 to 3

 

[HuGo Sham]

don't want to slag 27/67. i wasn't biggest fan of domi deal but then i heard from rock solid sources, chucky's dad was a major problem...meddling in habs management (and son's play) constantly..and the nightlife rumours which are entirely true. it is what it is, montreal isn't made for every player. a level of maturity is required in this city.
as per patches, i don't think he should've ever been captain. watching him play early, deal looks like at worst, a wash. tatar at least has a bigger motor and is implicated more. he may not have 67's hands but he's not as much of a floater. watching him in LV, he's still a major floater. how he ever thought of himself for a time as a power F is beyond me....
it's clear habs got two players who are more involved in all three zones on the ice, more grit and more implication

 

[ECWHSWI]

don't want to slag 27/67. i wasn't biggest fan of domi deal but then i heard from rock solid sources, chucky's dad was a major problem...meddling in habs management (and son's play) constantly..and the nightlife rumours which are entirely true. it is what it is, montreal isn't made for every player. a level of maturity is required in this city.
as per patches, i don't think he should've ever been captain. watching him play early, deal looks like at worst, a wash. tatar at least has a bigger motor and is implicated more. he may not have 67's hands but he's not as much of a floater. watching him in LV, he's still a major floater. how he ever thought of himself for a time as a power F is beyond me....
it's clear habs got two players who are more involved in all three zones on the ice, more grit and more implication

people should be careful with that
we'd be shocked learning who does what

 

[HuGo Sham]

people should be careful with that
we'd be shocked learning who does what

many of these guys are discreet and they have bar owners protecting their privacy, but it was obvious from that fiasco with his GF (posted all over the news btw) - that got smith-pelley traded, 27 wasn't discreet. doesn't matter. i agree it's no one's busy UNTIL it becomes a distraction which it did

 

[Andrei79]

sure,

someone claimed to have FOLLOWED a player on a different team, in a different timezone
AND also FOLLOWED another in Europe AND at the U20
ALL in different timezone ALL more or less at the same time



but you do not understand how someone would doubt this ? you REALL dont ? you REALLY don't see the difference between what I just described and you, wathing SOME games ?

Followed Habs, Followed Coyotes in a different timezone, Followed a European team in a third timezone... seasons of the three teams more or less at the same time... all while going to work/school, seeing friends, bf/gf, whatever...



not s single doubt ? not once ? nope, not even once...
seriously, don't bother responding, that level of stupidity is just too much.

Its not that hard to follow a lot of hockey and prospects while having family/friends/work. What gets sacrificied is other TV and procrastination. Unless you mean watching every game of everything, then I agree its impossible. Its just that you dont need to do that if you know what youre looking for.

 

[DAChampion]

Domi is exceeding my expectations.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Its not that hard to follow a lot of hockey and prospects while having family/friends/work. What gets sacrificied is other TV and procrastination. Unless you mean watching every game of everything, then I agree its impossible. Its just that you dont need to do that if you know what youre looking for.

sure... but all three teams being in different timezone and al... you can watch, but follow specific teams or players ?

not when there's a decent amount of people to have claimed they have followed this or that new Habs for a long time, after he was traded to Montreal...


Habs vs other team : nobody talks about player X (or VERY few people)
OOT thread : nobody talks about player X
player X traded to Habs
posters claim they've been following player X with other team for YEARS

you know...

 

[Captain Mountain]

And your evidence for this definitive statement is what exactly?

Sure.

Domi is shooting 20% at ES right now. He has pretty high ES shooting percentage right now too. Montreal ins't really generating a lot of chances when he's on the ice relative to the rest of the NHL.

Domi doesn't really have a history of outplaying the percentages.

When I think of a #1 C, I think of center that tilts the ice. Domi isn't really doing that. He's played really well, but even production wise he's on the 20ish range of Centers right now and he's running hot.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Sure.

Domi is shooting 20% at ES right now. He has pretty high ES shooting percentage right now too. Montreal ins't really generating a lot of chances when he's on the ice relative to the rest of the NHL.

Domi doesn't really have a history of outplaying the percentages.

When I think of a #1 C, I think of center that tilts the ice. Domi isn't really doing that. He's played really well, but even production wise he's on the 20ish range of Centers right now and he's running hot.

No matter how you try and spin it, hes performed as a #1C thus far.

 

[strongcomp05]

Sure.

Domi is shooting 20% at ES right now. He has pretty high ES shooting percentage right now too. Montreal ins't really generating a lot of chances when he's on the ice relative to the rest of the NHL.

Domi doesn't really have a history of outplaying the percentages.

When I think of a #1 C, I think of center that tilts the ice. Domi isn't really doing that. He's played really well, but even production wise he's on the 20ish range of Centers right now and he's running hot.

why cant you just be happy with how he's doing?

 

[habdynasty]

Some players thrive in a hockey mad city like Montreal , I really think Domi is going to be one of those guys.

 

[ECWHSWI]

why cant you just be happy with how he's doing?

where do you get this idea that (s)he isnt ?

 

[Max2]

I love how being constantly wired to the net 24/7 and having constant access to every bit of insignificant sporting data has everyone over analyzing stats and percentages etc to death. Back in the day we looked at the game results in the newspaper the next day.For example......Habs won 3-2...Domi had a goal and an assist...he's doing good!That's 9 points in 11 games for him now. End of story. Domi has been excellent so far.He's been playing like a number one center.Will we be saying this in 3 months time?? Who knows....let's just enjoy it for what it is right now.He's fun to watch.

 

[26Mats]

Some players thrive in a hockey mad city like Montreal , I really think Domi is going to be one of those guys.

No matter how many points he puts up, he has talent and will give a good effort every night. We added a good piece to our core of high end talent/top six level talent.

So far this includes: Kotkaniemi, Drouin, Domi, and Gallagher. We need to add more. Internally Scherbak and Suzuki look like the only candiates. Tatar is a bit old and still has to prove he's top six level.

Danault, Lehkonen, Hudon, Armia, and Byron are all excellent bottom six players in the new NHL.

 

[Milhouse40]

No matter how you try and spin it, hes performed as a #1C thus far.

He's not playing as a #1C....calm down and it's not a knock on him.
His line and Danault's line are equally top 6 lines and with the system it's normal.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Maybe a bit...but Domi's got more bite and versatility to his game.

Although I'm not sure what Gomez you're talking about?

The Montreak version or the New Jersey one...cause those are 2 different players.

I thought writing "young" Scott Gomez would've been a good enough indication of which i am talking about, but I guess I was mistaken.

Young Gomez was as versatile if not more.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

He's producing at a 1C level. He's playing at a 2C level. Which is fantastic, but not the same thing.

Sure.

Domi is shooting 20% at ES right now. He has pretty high ES shooting percentage right now too. Montreal ins't really generating a lot of chances when he's on the ice relative to the rest of the NHL.

Domi doesn't really have a history of outplaying the percentages.

When I think of a #1 C, I think of center that tilts the ice. Domi isn't really doing that. He's played really well, but even production wise he's on the 20ish range of Centers right now and he's running hot.

This feels right. I actually thought the first I read it that you were wrong about him not tilting the ice but I think you're right there as well. He's not exactly dominating EVERY shift or even the vast majority. It does feel like he's doing it ENOUGH of the time though.

I'm kind of split 50/50 of how legit his play is. This is what I expected him to be in the NHL roughly (not as a C mind you). I was a big fan. If you told me 3-4 years ago we had both Drouin and Domi, I'd be doing back flips.

It seems like he was handcuffed in AZ. Injuries might've played a part as well. He's also young and just legit got better over the years. Those boxes are ticked in his favour.

But then you got the fact that he has a history of hot starts. Many players have looked amazing or overachieved with a new team. The shooting% indicates his goal production isn't sustainable (which isn't that bad a thing). And then you have to factor in the biggest variable which is that we're not allowed to have nice things EVER. So that's the CON column as far as I can see.

I think if Lehkonen can wake up (he's doing good things but I don't know if he's a good fit as well as I think he's just genuinely snake bitten) or Domi can have someone more effective in that role then maybe he could flirt with 60-70.

why cant you just be happy with how he's doing?

Nah he was being even handed. There's other posters I'd direct your reply too personally.