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Matvei Michkov vs. Ivan Demidov; who will be better?

Who will be better?

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Sasha Orlov said:
Yeah you said that already, that’s not what I asked though
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When did I say that already?

Apparently he's better at 5v5 production and takeaways.

You don't see /60 used this often which I find amusing because you don't see the kind of linear increase in production that it implies.
 
Michkov has looked really good and will no doubt be a Star, With that being said i think Demidov will be just as good as him but only time will tell in the future whos better than who.
 
Andy said:
15 points in 19 khl games for Demidov. Limited ice time in a number of games.

Tied 3rd for points on his khl club.
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15 points in 10 games vs trash sub .500 teams

0 points in 9 games vs teams .500 or better

He stat pads, has 8 points in two games in blowout games vs the worst teams in the league.

Michkov was far better in his D1, not close.
 
Sasha Orlov said:
The facts are he is currently on pace to out produce Michkov’s best KHL season and has been SKA’s best player but ok
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The facts are that he's not, even after that inflated 4 point game. Demidov is nowhere near best forward let alone best player in SKA either

The clear top 4 players
Nikishin
DeAngelo
Gritsyuk
Zavragin

Tnen you have Kuznetsov and Zykov just as good. You fail to realize, defense matters.


15 points in 19 games is 0.78 ppg

Unlike Demidov who plays with 7 1st round nhl players, Michkov played on a team with junk, no drafted players and put up 41 in 47, which is 0.87 PPG

I'll help you out a little. 0.87 > 0.78

Also, another friendly tip: The big yellow one is the sun
 
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Sasso09 said:
The facts are that he's not, even after that inflated 4 point game.

15 points in 19 games is 0.78 ppg

Unlike Demidov who plays with 7 1st round nhl players, Michkov played on a team with junk, no drafted players and put up 41 in 47, which is 0.87 PPG

I'll help you out a little. 0.87 > 0.78

Also, another friendly tip: The big yellow one is the sun
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Maybe don’t wait a month to respond to a post?

Demidov is playing under 10 mins a game on the 4th line, Michkov played 1st line minutes with full PP usage as well

It’s very transparent that you are so obsessed with disparaging Demidov because your team didn’t draft him and it was a mistake, everybody knows it too
 
Sasso09 said:
The facts are that he's not, even after that inflated 4 point game. Demidov is nowhere near best forward let alone best player in SKA either

The clear top 4 players
Nikishin
DeAngelo
Gritsyuk
Zavragin

Tnen you have Kuznetsov and Zykov just as good. You fail to realize, defense matters.


15 points in 19 games is 0.78 ppg

Unlike Demidov who plays with 7 1st round nhl players, Michkov played on a team with junk, no drafted players and put up 41 in 47, which is 0.87 PPG

I'll help you out a little. 0.87 > 0.78

Also, another friendly tip: The big yellow one is the sun
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Thats a lot of bullshit spat without any context.

Heres a more meaningful stats when considering his coach is punishing him with little ice time.

Demidov has more than twice the points/60 than the current top khl scorer. And thats with almost zero pp time. Those numbers are more impressive than what Michkov did in his d+1.
 
Keep in mind with Michkov that he’s more of a goal scorer than playmaker. Demidov is pretty equally good at both. It’d be like looking at the points category for Matthews in trying to compare him to Draisaitl instead of the goals category, and wondering why he doesn’t have as many points.
 
HeadLiceHatty said:
Idk about generational, we'll see. But this remains and always will remain Michkov, in an absolute landslide as the voting suggests.
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A repoll would look different. Pretty sure it'd be close to 50/50. Maybe a bit more for Michkov because he is playing in the nhl. But in their d+1, Demidov is clearly doing better.
 
Sasso09 said:
15 points in 10 games vs trash sub .500 teams

0 points in 9 games vs teams .500 or better

He stat pads, has 8 points in two games in blowout games vs the worst teams in the league.

Michkov was far better in his D1, not close.
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Michkov has yet to register a single point at even strength so far this year. He also registered most of his points last year on the PP (which Demidov doesn’t have) and against bottom feeders too.
 
NikolaTesla said:
A repoll would look different. Pretty sure it'd be close to 50/50. Maybe a bit more for Michkov because he is playing in the nhl. But in their d+1, Demidov is clearly doing better.
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The only people who are spam voting Demidov are homer Habs fans. Demidov is not equal to Michkov, just because you have a big fan base. No one in their right mind takes him over Michkov.
 
HeadLiceHatty said:
The only people who are spam voting Demidov are homer Habs fans. Demidov is not equal to Michkov, just because you have a big fan base. No one in their right mind takes him over Michkov.
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Any evidences on this? I mean you've been saying it for a year and you kept saying that the proof was that Michkov had better numbers in his D and D-1. But now that Demidov is doing better in his D+1, your own logic should tell that Demidov is better, right?
 
Kegs said:
Michkov is a point per game at the NHL level.

He is also leading his team in points by a large margin.

Michkov is pulling away at this point. Nothing against Demidov I’m sure he will be an nhl player one day.


How? Show me what you mean. Michkov is the best player the flyers have drafted since lindros probably.
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It was always Michkov > Demidov, every sane person knows that, it's just specific set of fans that delude their thinking out of desperation.
 
NikolaTesla said:
Except for their D+1
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He has to come over and play on the North American rink to know for sure. U never know how a prospect will handle the nhl. If Demidov is better that’s crazy. So man super stars coming up.
 
funny it's habs fans who keep brining this up whenever Demidov has a multi point game lol. Yall screwed up horribly by not taking michkov in 2023. Imagine Michkov AND Demidov.

And before habs fans start with the "if we took michkov we wouldn't have taken Demidov" then your idiotic management needs to give their head a shake for picking for need in the top 5 of a draft.
 
Nabrules said:
funny it's habs fans who keep brining this up whenever Demidov has a multi point game lol. Yall screwed up horribly by not taking michkov in 2023. Imagine Michkov AND Demidov.

And before habs fans start with the "if we took michkov we wouldn't have taken Demidov" then your idiotic management needs to give their head a shake for picking for need in the top 5 of a draft.
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The issue is Demidov’s come nearly every draft, Michkov’s are rare. If this wasn’t the case why do Habs fans try to all ends of the earth to compare them both and hard spam vote to act like they’re comparable lol. If it was truly even or if they were truly the same class the desperation wouldn’t exist. Notice you never see Blackhawks fans shoving Bedard down your throat.
 
HeadLiceHatty said:
The issue is Demidov’s come nearly every draft, Michkov’s are rare. If this wasn’t the case why do Habs fans try to all ends of the earth to compare them both and hard spam vote to act like they’re comparable lol. If it was truly even or if they were truly the same class the desperation wouldn’t exist. Notice you never see Blackhawks fans shoving Bedard down your throat.
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The issue is Michkov’s come nearly every draft, Demidovs’s are rare. If this wasn’t the case why do Flyers fans try to all ends of the earth to compare them both and hard spam vote to act like they’re comparable lol.
 
Doesn't this comparison belong in the their respective prospect threads? :sarcasm:

Mods seem to allow it.
 
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