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I think we can take votes from the non-objective Hockey Mecca media body with a grain of salt here.So healthy Stu is worse than healthy Matthews and Injured Stu is worse than injured Matthews.
Healthy Stu is maybe marginally better offensively than injured Matthews but he also still finished in the top 15 in Selke voting during his down season (Stutzle 0 votes, his teammate had Giroux one 5th place vote).
I like to shit on Nostrils as Much as the next Guy, but he's an whole tier better than the second best player in this thread, who happens to be Marner
So, with puke in my mouth, I voted for the Leafs
You should lay on your stomach.
Ah yes, the Toronto Hockey media that has forced Leafs players to win all the major trophies with their bias.I think we can take votes from the non-objective Hockey Mecca media body with a grain of salt here.
And like the other poster said... Stu is five years younger!
And he is 22 now. This thread is "Matthews Marner and Woll vs Stu, Tkachuk and Ullmark who is the better trio" not "Will prime Stutzle be as good as Matthews?" or "How do Stutzle's 20 and 21 year old seasons compare to Matthews'?"Stutzle was 20 and 21 years old in the seasons you are talking about.
Yes, what do you believe this is adding that wasn't already known?Healthy Stu finished ahead of injured Matthews while he was still on his ELC.
And he is 22 now. This thread is "Matthews Marner and Woll vs Stu, Tkachuk and Ullmark who is the better trio" not "Will prime Stutzle be as good as Matthews?" or "How do Stutzle's 20 and 21 year old seasons compare to Matthews'?"
The threadline I was replying to was about how Stutzle's best season to date lined up with Matthews injured season and "what if that happens again?" Nothing happens, Matthews was still better than Stutzle in that season as an overall player and again helped his team make the playoffs, which he has never missed.
Nothing happens, Matthews was still better than Stutzle in that season as an overall player and again helped his team make the playoffs, which he has never missed.
Stutzle has had a higher ppg than Matthews worst ppg season (his rookie year) once. He will improve but he will never be as good as Matthews. Even less so if he starts to play a more all around game.Ah yes, the Toronto Hockey media that has forced Leafs players to win all the major trophies with their bias.
Who was the last Selke winner for Toronto again?
And he is 22 now. This thread is "Matthews Marner and Woll vs Stu, Tkachuk and Ullmark who is the better trio" not "Will prime Stutzle be as good as Matthews?" or "How do Stutzle's 20 and 21 year old seasons compare to Matthews'?"
The threadline I was replying to was about how Stutzle's best season to date lined up with Matthews injured season and "what if that happens again?"
Nothing happens, Matthews was still better than Stutzle in that season as an overall player and again helped his team make the playoffs, which he has never missed.
Yes, what do you believe this is adding that wasn't already known?
You said "Healthy Stu is maybe marginally better offensively than injured Matthews"
You are making a statement as if age wouldn't matter, hence why I specified it to you. Unless you think players peak at 20-21?
It seems that Matthews entered his prime around 23-24 y/o so we don't have the empirical evidence necessary to properly compare yet...
Which is still impossible to compare as Stutzle most likely hasn't entered his prime yet. Unless Stutzle doesn't have this privilege like many players had? (Matthews, Nylander, MacKinnon to name a few) by
Weird, I see maple leafs players with games played and statistics for the playoffs in 2020 but when I look at the Ottawa Senators, who missed the playoffs, I still don't see any playoff statistics.Toronto did not make the playoffs in 2020
Stutzle has had a higher ppg than Matthews worst ppg season (his rookie year) once. He will improve but he will never be as good as Matthews. Even less so if he starts to play a more all around game.
False, Stutzle best season is higher than 4 of Matthew’s years, and tied another one, if you want to use pace.Stutzle has had a higher ppg than Matthews worst ppg season (his rookie year) once. He will improve but he will never be as good as Matthews. Even less so if he starts to play a more all around game.
learn to read. I said he only had 1 season. 1. All the other were worse than Matthews worst year which happened to be his rookie year.False, Stutzle best season is higher than 4 of Matthew’s years, and tied another one, if you want to use pace.
Unless you’re trying to say something different.
that one season was as good as or better than 5 of Matthew’s seasons, using your pace factor.learn to read. I said he only had 1 season. 1. All the other were worse than Matthews worst year which happened to be his rookie year.
Marner and Matthews lead their club consistently to the playoffs and are two of the best players in the league. Not too sure how anyone could justify voting for the two Ottawa guys who have never reached the playoffs.