Speculation: Matthew Tkachuk MEGA Thread (informs Flames he will not sign long term)

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Double Dion

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I don’t think Holtz would be involved as he’s going to fill a major hole on the right wing unless Tkachuk plays RW.

Tkachuk-Hughes-Holtz

That’s the future 1st line for NJ.

1st 23 unprotected, Bratt, Gritsyuk, Wood or Sharangovich, Mukhamadullin
I'd trade Holtz before Bratt if I was NJ. Unless you don't think he's going to sign. I like Wood a lot too. I prefer your package for the Flames to mine. Muk had upside too.

You known more about the flames' style than I do, but I think Bourque absolutely has consistent compete and a good 2 way game. The size obviously not so much, but that hasn't stopped the bread eater from being a good fit. Regardless, I personally don't see Dallas as a great fit for a trade, so it's kind of a moot point.
I've only seen him play in the mem cup and 2 WJHC games. Just know the scouting report during the draft said compete was inconsistent and no effort was given in the 2 way game. It's sometimes tough for undersized junior guys who don't skate exceptionally well to translate. He is a risky prospect. It's why he dropped to 30.
 

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How About
Faksa, Guiranov, Diamani, Dellandrea, Bourque a 1st next year and a 1st the Next
for
Tkachuk and Ruzicka


The Stars would have to find Takers for Dobby maybe add a pair of 6th rounders for someone's 7th just to dump the salary.
And find a home for Kiveranta

But the team would be decent overall after that with signing Otter and Robertson
This offer is the equivalent of a turd full of corn kernels.
 
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Ledge And Dairy

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I don’t think Holtz would be involved as he’s going to fill a major hole on the right wing unless Tkachuk plays RW.

Tkachuk-Hughes-Holtz

That’s the future 1st line for NJ.

1st 23 unprotected, Bratt, Gritsyuk, Wood or Sharangovich, Mukhamadullin
Tkachuk plays primarily RW now. He's way better there since it favors his greatest defensive strength of disrupting cycles and breaking out on on the boards
 

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I'd trade Holtz before Bratt if I was NJ. Unless you don't think he's going to sign. I like Wood a lot too. I prefer your package for the Flames to mine. Muk had upside too.
I like both Holtz and Bratt so it’s hard to even include either of them in a proposal but positionally it makes more sense to keep the RW. He just has to come through as a prospect or it could be a big mistake. I believe in him though.

At the same time Bratt has great chemistry and friendship with Hischier so breaking that up would hurt Hischier’s production.

Most of me thinks it would probably be best if NJ just keeps both Bratt and Holtz. Tkachuk is awesome but what if he doesn’t produce like expected? That’s a lot of NJ’s future to give up.
 

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I would rather have futures and a young blue chipper. We won't compete for a while. Deal Markstrom first I think, we can't have another Kipper leading us to season after season of 9th place finishes. I think Tre can get a fair deal done for a lot of our roster and trust in him to do so.., We can't compete with McDavid and Draisaitl unless we have an equally lethal combo. Have to build now while the Oilers are on top and wait for our time with shrewd decisions. It hurts, but that's the business of Hockey. Maybe draft Ukranians next time...
 
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Double Dion

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This offer is the equivalent of a turd full of corn kernels.
I mean there's 2 1sts in it and Sutter would love Faksa. Lindholm, Backlund and Faksa. We might have the best trio of defensive centers since the early 90s Habs. But the prospects aren't my favorite. I'd want Johnston, Harley or Stankoven.
 
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No way Brad Treliving accepts that offer, You'd be lucky to get Matthew Tkachuk in a Red Wings jersey without one of Lucas Raymond or Simon Edvinsson and other pieces heading to Calgary. This is just being realistic. If Wings fans think that a centerpiece around Bertuzzi/Vrana for Tkachuk is happening they're sorely mistaken.
 
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Andy Dufresne

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The floor in STL is probably 8.5/8.75, the ceiling is probably 9.5. I have a very difficult time seeing a contract outside of those boundaries if it's in STL. I think all Blues fans would agree that in a pure dollar bidding war the Blues clearly lose, we don't disagree with anyone on that.

When companies report financially, they list both tangible and intangible assets. Intangible assets are things like copyrights, brand value, goodwill, etc. The value of these assets cannot always be assessed perfectly but there is value.

In this case, the intangible asset is being the unquestioned king of a passionate sports town that eats this kind of story up like it's Thanksgiving dinner. He is from STL, he gets exactly why he'd be the king. It would be a spectacle. It might not ultimately make the Blues a better team to acquire him given the dominoes it sets in motion, or it might, but regardless it would be an all time STL spectacle. So few human beings ever get this opportunity, the intangible value on it may be extraordinary. So extraordinary it could maybe cause a Tkachuk to let go of a buck. Which, again, at any contract with the Blues he would be doing. If his lifelong friend Andy Strickland is guaranteeing he will be on the Blues, and Strickland's most infamously ridiculed moment was a false report on a Tkachuk nearly two decades ago and a chance at redemption, there is definitely reason to suspect that this intangible value I'm describing? Tkachuk values it.
There is no city in the US where any hockey player would be 'the king'. Maybe Gretzky, but obviously he was special. Matt Tkachuk isn't shit. In St louis he'd be less well known than most of the Cardinals starting lineup.
 

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Not enough value after the season Tkachuk just had but I also don’t think he’s actually much more than a 70pt player in a regular season so I definitely don’t want to give him the $9M+ long term deal he will be looking for
 

SeanMoneyHands

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Treeliving is an idiot. Kyrou is about as good of an active top 6 ready forward you're going to get for Matthew. Just watch him have to settle for someone like Bozak in the end.
 
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