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[Matthew Tkachuk] Leafs would be unbelievable if the team wasn't in Toronto

kerrabria said:
Idk what to tell you. They're not trolling the players. Why would they do that? And if they wanted to, why would they do it this way?
There's no deeper meaning here. Other players recognize how much it must suck to play in Toronto, and they're expressing solidarity with their NHLPA colleagues.

It's not the pressure. It has nothing to do with toughness.
You can have the most challenging, intense job in the world, but if you believe in the mission and have a great team, you want to pull through.

If your boss sucks, and your clients are ungrateful pains in the ass, it's very demotivating.
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Ungrateful?

UNGRATEFUL?

What the actual f*** are you talking about? We build statues for guys who never won anything. We pack the house whether the team is in dead last or winning the division. This team collapsed in six game sevens before people finally started leaving the building. The Sundin Leafs didn't win too many more series than these guys have, but they at least looked like they were trying in the big games.

Someone who makes 10m a year and thinks the people who fund his paycheck are ungrateful is an absolute worm.

But hey, we beat the Sens, I guess that should be our Stanley Cup, according to your rules for gratefulness, am I right?
 
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Korpse said:
Maybe it's an issue for this set of players and management group (past and present), there's plenty of situations around the world and through out history of professional athletes playing in just as intense environments (if not more) and finding success. Maybe Matthew Tkachuk likes parading the stanley cup around a city where nobody knows who the f*** they are.
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He did suck in Calgary in the playoffs.

Now as a secondary player, he seems to be doing better.
 
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TD Charlie said:
With all due respect. f*** off with this.

I’m a Bruins fan, so I have no problem laughing at torontos pain here. This is entirely on the players, as it always is
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we'll see. If they decide to blow it up, i wouldn't be surprised to see these "Loser" players become winners elsewhere. Same thing happened with all the Buffalo losers like O'Reilly, Eichel, Reinhart.

Toronto debuff is real
 
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Erik Alfredsson said:
Show me when those fans threw beer at their own players or threw trash on their lawn.
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Heres i Boston just last season


Here is one instance ( among many that came up during a google search) of Philly fans throwing things on the ice

www.usatoday.com

Philadelphia Flyers fans throw trash on ice during NHL playoff loss to Pittsburgh Penguins

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Here are Canuck fans throwing stuff on the ice



of course they also rioted after losing a game 7.



butt yes, this is soley a toronto fan issue. :rolleyes:



and for fun here are the Florida panther angel fans who don't do this type of stuff tossing trash on the ice

ca.sports.yahoo.com

Panthers fans litter the ice with rats, trash amid chaotic end to Game 4

Things got real greasy in a hurry as fake rats, garbage and bodies littered the ice after the buzzer sounded on the Golden Knights' massive Game 4 win.
ca.sports.yahoo.com ca.sports.yahoo.com
 
Oh piss off Tkachuk. Yes the fanbase/media is intense and sure you can feel extra pressure with that but f*** off with that as an excuse.

The Gilmour/Clark era leafs or the Sundin era leafs still delivered playing in the same market. Didn't win the cup but were a legit threat every year dealing with it.

The Leafs top players individually are great players but together just don't mix. A few have to go and get replaced to see a change with the mentality in Toronto
 
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Do Make Say Think said:
And the reason he does it is because it is so easy and so very effective.

Look at this thread! A whole bunch of people think this is praise haha.

The Panthers humiliated the Leafs in Games 5 and 7 and they instantly started talking about bad the Leafs fans and media are after both wins.

It feels clever because the payoff is immediate and strong, so I want to think it is genius, but seeing the response in here, I'm not so sure it is genius.

These fans want to be told they suck, might as well give it to them!
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I hate the Leafs and I don't see it as praise. I see it as a criticism of the fanbase and media for being overly toxic and hateful to their own players.

Ultimately it's on the players to show up so Matthews, Nylander and Marner are to blame for the failure in game 7. But Leaf fans are ridiculously toxic towards their own team and that's going to be a factor in making things more difficult for any player. And now that they chased a hometown star out of town with beer and harassment outside the rink it will probably begin to make Toronto a less desirable market for free agents this offseason. I think the Panthers players are simply saying it must suck to play in Toronto, and yeah it seems like it does suck ass to play in a city where they dump shit on your lawn and steal your car at gunpoint.
 
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KirkAlbuquerque said:
we'll see. If they decide to blow it up, i wouldn't be surprised to see these "Loser" players become winners elsewhere. Same thing happened with all the Buffalo losers like O'Reilly, Eichel, Reinhart.

Toronto debuff is real
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Less about the debuff and more about the structures of the team they'll go to. Kessel wasn't ever going to win a cup driving the bus. But with Crosby and Malkin he was brilliant.

Leafs guys are plenty talented. They can be parts of winning teams. But together, they bring out the worst in each other.

Leafs have been around for 100 years. Auston Matthews didn't invent the modern Leaf fan. The Sundin and Gilmour teams managed to at least play hard.
 
Oilslick941611 said:
Heres i Boston just last season


Here is one instance ( among many that came up during a google search) of Philly fans throwing things on the ice

www.usatoday.com

Philadelphia Flyers fans throw trash on ice during NHL playoff loss to Pittsburgh Penguins

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www.usatoday.com www.usatoday.com
Here are Canuck fans throwing stuff on the ice



of course they also rioted after losing a game 7.



butt yes, this is soley a toronto fan issue. :rolleyes:



and for fun here are the Florida panther angel fans who don't do this type of stuff tossing trash on the ice

ca.sports.yahoo.com

Panthers fans litter the ice with rats, trash amid chaotic end to Game 4

Things got real greasy in a hurry as fake rats, garbage and bodies littered the ice after the buzzer sounded on the Golden Knights' massive Game 4 win.
ca.sports.yahoo.com ca.sports.yahoo.com
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All those instances were fans throwing trash at the other team. The beer in Toronto was aimed at the Leafs bench. There's a difference.
 
LeafGrief said:
Auston Matthews didn't invent the modern Leaf fan.
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No, the modern Toronto media did. It's actually nuts how uninformed and hyperbolic their takes are. A lot of me doesn't even blame Toronto fans for being so crazy. The Leafs media coverage is British tabloid level.
 
Tkachuk and Marchand are being nice. Deep down they know that the Leafs top players are soft as butter and lack heart.
 
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Toronto is an extremely pressure-filled market, for obvious reasons

but it's on the players for being mental midgets and wilting under the pressure for 9 straight seasons....they need to change 5 years ago yet kept running it back
 
Kennerback said:
I don’t know Tkachuk enough but I know Marchand very well and he totally knew what he was doing. It was an F.U. to Toronto and the Leafs. He doesn’t give two shits about Leaf players. He knows which buttons to push. He’s a rat, that’s just what he does.
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The Rat King is teaching the Rat Prince.
 
Mickey Marner said:
This thesis falls apart in every other sport where the major markets — New York, Los Angeles, Boston etc. — are consistently the most successful teams.
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This rests on the assumption that any North American fanbase/media is as bad as the Toronto Maple Leafs. None of them are. As I said in an earlier post, you can draw similarities between the Canadiens, Lakers, Yankees, and Knicks, but Toronto is the worst.
 
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Erik Alfredsson said:
All those instances were fans throwing trash at the other team. The beer in Toronto was aimed at the Leafs bench. There's a difference.
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its the same behaviour. Are you punishing the act or the fact its the leafs fans doing it?

Vancouver didnt riot because of the other team, they rioted because they were going to riot win or lose. because they wanted to.

Throwing a boston jersey on the ice of a boston game is because of the other team?

You'll justify anything in your hate of Toronto and its fan wont you?
 
Korpse said:
Maybe it's an issue for this set of players and management group (past and present), there's plenty of situations around the world and through out history of professional athletes playing in just as intense environments (if not more) and finding success. Maybe Matthew Tkachuk likes parading the stanley cup around a city where nobody knows who the f*** they are.
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of course he does....dude absolutely choked like a dog in the 2022 Battle of Alberta series when Kane took his lunch money
so he bailed ASAP to the furthest team away lol
 
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kerrabria said:
Yes. The fans directly influence the direction that the team takes and how motivated the players are.

In the past ten years, you guys ran Kessel, Lupul, Phaneuf, Kadri, Zaitsev, Holl, Marner, and potentially Tavares out of town. If Matthews and Reilly were moveable, they'd be on the rail too.

To emphasize, that's not just the guys who the team and fanbase felt it was time to move on from (e.g., Gardiner, Barrie, Marleau). That's nine guys of diverse background, personality, playstyle, and performance who were rejected.
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I have a pretty big issue with your list lol. Kessel and Phaneuf weren't "run out of town" the team was ass so they got traded...which is an entirely normal thing to do in the NHL. Lupul didn't get run out of town, he was LTIR'd and relatively popular when he was healthy. Including #6 defensemen(at best) like Zaitsev and Holl is moronic. Kadri was not run out of town by the fans. The guy is still popular in Toronto to this day. The only player that might be getting run out of town on that list due to the fans is Marner.
 
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