[Matthew Tkachuk] Leafs would be unbelievable if the team wasn't in Toronto

[landy]

There is literally a video of it happening to McDavid last playoffs by a group of drunk fans in the parking lot of a local liquor store. He still went on to win the Smythe. You are making excuses.

He probably would have scored a goal in game 7 if it wasnt for those drunk fans. Cant handle the pressure.

 

[BeranekAndNeck]

Saying McDavid won't want to deal with psycho fans is infantilizing him? This is pure Leaf fan bubble cope if I ever done heard it.

Again, not a Leafs fan, you must be confusing me with someone else. My point should be clear: McDavid deals with it while still delivering on the ice. Marner therefore has no excuse.

I don't know how many times I have to say it before you get it through your cranium: I am not making excuses for the Leaf players losing.

You say that but then…

I am blaming the fans for being so angry because they're the ones who placed these lofty ass expectations on these players in the first place. Matthews is closer to McDavid than we think. Marner is a Selke caliber 100 point winger. Neither of these statements were ever true, but Leaf fans and media convinced themselves that they were, and now they're pissed at the players for not being these HOF caliber demons they thought they were. It's just pure stupidity from the fanbase and media, acting like they're a top contender and entitled to a cup every year, when the reality is just there are better teams and better players than the Leafs out there.

You can't replace the fans, so you have to replace the players.

You then go on to blame the fans venting their grievances ten years into a frustrating period of underperformance for said underperformance. It completely absolves Toronto’s stars for their consistent failures to actually do their jobs.

Every major market has idiot fans. Dealing with and blocking it out is unfortunately a reality of the fame that comes with athletic stardom. You don’t see the New York Post or LA Times running sob stories like the one you’re positioning as an excuse for why the Yankees or Lakers haven’t won in recent times. Toronto media and apologists need to ask themselves why that is.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

They only make 10s of millions, are extremely popular, hang out with superstars, have beautiful women/wives, own whatever they want, live the dream 99.9999% of men want.

"B-BUT THERES TOO MUCH PRESSURE!!!"

He probably would have scored a goal in game 7 if it wasnt for those drunk fans. Cant handle the pressure.

I'm actually shocked at how bad the reading comprehension in here is.

Don't know how I can make it more clear. Marner and Matthews suck. It's their fault they lost Game 7. They're not good enough for what they're paid for and not good enough to lead a team to a Cup.

My point is that this is true, while it's also true that Toronto is a toxic toxic place to play where the media and fans place incredibly unrealistic expectations on their players because they're so desperate for success that they think any decent player that comes through is the answer they've been waiting for for 60 years. Just look at how people are talking about Knies already. I've seen people saying they should build around him and to give him 9 million dollars. This is a 58 point player we're talking about lol.

So both things are true. The Leafs players suck and so does the media and the fans. It's just a horrible mix of a bunch of things that suck.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Maybe they were paid like first line players and superstars because the media hyped them up as such before they earned it?

The media didn't sign them, Dubas did.

And Dubas is a dumbass.

 

[BeranekAndNeck]

Maybe they were paid like first line players and superstars because the media hyped them up as such before they earned it?

Was it the fans who held out and demanded Mitch be paid like a superstar, or was it himself?

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

You then go on to blame the fans venting their grievances ten years into a frustrating period of underperformance for said underperformance. It completely absolves Toronto’s stars for their consistent failures to actually do their jobs.

Every major market has idiot fans. Dealing with and blocking it out is unfortunately a reality of the fame that comes with athletic stardom. You don’t see the New York Post or LA Times running sob stories like the one you’re positioning as an excuse for why the Yankees or Lakers haven’t won in recent times. Toronto media and apologists need to ask themselves why that is.

I literally told you what I'm blaming them for, and then you go on to say I'm blaming them for something entirely else.

Genuine question: what is wrong with you? You are just completely fabricating arguments now. Are you just in a pissy mood and want to argue with someone or something?

Like how many f***ing times do I have to tell you that I am not making excuses? I don't even think you're reading my posts dude, this is just weird behavior.

 

[dangomon]

Woll and Patches put it perfectly, there is only pressure because people care and that's a good thing. If you feel it any other way, it's not for you.

Also all of these Panthers doing a Maple Leafs pitty-party media tour is hilarious.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

The media didn't sign them, Dubas did.

And Dubas is a dumbass.

Dubas is a dumbass, and he screwed up signing them to that, but that's also the type of contracts those guys are going to demand when the media and fans parade them around as gods that will bless Toronto with a dynasty before they even win a series.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't hype the shit out of your players by exaggerating how great they are, then get pissed after they get paid a contract fitting for the player you hyped them up to be.

 

[BeranekAndNeck]

Genuine question: what is wrong with you? You are just completely fabricating arguments now. Are you just in a pissy mood and want to argue with someone or something?

I am blaming the fans for being so angry because they're the ones who placed these lofty ass expectations on these players in the first place.

Darn that Erik Alfredsson for fabricating arguments Erik Alfredsson didn’t make!

 

[HabzSauce]

Nobody is disputing that McDavid would handle the pressure better. That's not the point. The point is he has no reason to play in that market and invite that pressure onto himself.

He already plays in Edmonton my guy, do you think they don't give a f*** about hockey there? He already plays in a city where he's worshipped. If that's what's important to him then he'll just stay with the Oilers where he'll be worshiprd but he won't have people wishing death on his child or beer thrown at him during a playoff game or be robbed at gunpoint if he fails to meet expectations.

Keep thinking Toronto fans can act like psycho classless goons and that top tier players will still be lining up to play for them.

But if he wouldn't receive the same treatment then why would it even matter to him? Matthews and marner are outliers. Nobody is gonna hold McDavid at gunpoint bro gimme a break....

You're so exaggerating Toronto fans it's ridiculous. Can be a great city to play in if you're a winner, like all Canadian cities. Not that I think this is gonna happen but McDavid grew up here, there's more incentive to coming home than just being worshiped.

Matthews and marner make the fans & culture way worse than they actually are. They are the problem here not the fans. Remove those two & replace them with McDavid & Drai for example and watch how fast the perception of leafs league wide from players turn around

 

[barkovcanfinnish]

I love Chucky but he did say the 4 Nations was more important than Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals. So you really can’t let his hot takes get you riled up.

 

[NVious]

I'm actually shocked at how bad the reading comprehension in here is.

Don't know how I can make it more clear. Marner and Matthews suck. It's their fault they lost Game 7. They're not good enough for what they're paid for and not good enough to lead a team to a Cup.

My point is that this is true, while it's also true that Toronto is a toxic toxic place to play where the media and fans place incredibly unrealistic expectations on their players because they're so desperate for success that they think any decent player that comes through is the answer they've been waiting for for 60 years. Just look at how people are talking about Knies already. I've seen people saying they should build around him and to give him 9 million dollars. This is a 58 point player we're talking about lol.

So both things are true. The Leafs players suck and so does the media and the fans. It's just a horrible mix of a bunch of things that suck.

Nothing unrealistic about expecting a group as talented as this to at least equal past less talent groups who at least went to the conference finals.

I listen to Toronto media all the time and nobody has said something unrealistic about Knies, he is a young player with awesome upside, nobody has said "oh yeah he's a 50/50 guy for sure bank on that." It's just optimism about young players which every market place has.

The media/fans suck if you're a total baby, so yeah it's not for everyone, but you should be able to figure that out right away and request a trade. The Leafs core took every benefit and gave nothing back to the fans, they get what they deserve.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Dubas is a dumbass, and he screwed up signing them to that, but that's also the type of contracts those guys are going to demand when the media and fans parade them around as gods that will bless Toronto with a dynasty before they even win a series.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't hype the shit out of your players by exaggerating how great they are, then get pissed after they get paid a contract fitting for the player you hyped them up to be.

If management gets pushed into bad decisions because of the media, then the whole thing is rotten to the core.

You are acting like a lunatic right now. The media isn't real life, just like Twitter isn't.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Darn that Erik Alfredsson for fabricating arguments Erik Alfredsson didn’t make!

"You then go on to blame the fans venting their grievances ten years into a frustrating period of underperformance for said underperformance. It completely absolves Toronto’s stars for their consistent failures to actually do their jobs."
"I am blaming the fans for being so angry because they're the ones who placed these lofty ass expectations on these players in the first place."

Like you genuinely don't see how what you're claiming I'm arguing isn't even remotely what I actually said?
Again, what is wrong with you dude? You need to read better man, sorry. There's really nothing left to say, go hop in the shower if you just want to argue with yourself .

I will say it one more time so you can get it through your skull: I blame the player for not showing up in Game 7. They should be ashamed for getting smashed 6-1 at home. I don't blame the fans for being upset with that performance. I do blame the fans and media for putting unrealistic expectations on these guys and claiming they're going to be a future dynasty before they accomplished anything in the NHL.

Now you'll probably just go and fabricate another argument so you can continue taking your day out on some random on the internet.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

If management gets pushed into bad decisions because of the media, then the whole thing is rotten to the core.

You are acting like a lunatic right now. The media isn't real life, just like Twitter isn't.

Hey you finally got it! The whole thing IS rotten to the core. I would've thought 60 years of failure would make that pretty clear, but I guess not.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Nothing unrealistic about expecting a group as talented as this to at least equal past less talent groups who at least went to the conference finals.

I listen to Toronto media all the time and nobody has said something unrealistic about Knies, he is a young player with awesome upside, nobody has said "oh yeah he's a 50/50 guy for sure bank on that." It's just optimism about young players which every market place has.

The media/fans suck if you're a total baby, so yeah it's not for everyone, but you should be able to figure that out right away and request a trade. The Leafs core took every benefit and gave nothing back to the fans, they get what they deserve.

They're not as talented as you think. This is a team that could make the conference finals in a good year. Far from a sure thing.

 

[le_sean]

I find these arguments crazy. The media wouldn’t be so bad in Toronto if their players simply showed up and worked their asses off but lost. Guys like Gilmour, Clark, Sundin, Vaive didn’t win a damn thing there and they weren’t scrutinized to this extent because they put it all out on the ice.

 

[NVious]

They're not as talented as you think. This is a team that could make the conference finals in a good year. Far from a sure thing.

They objectively are, it's just that their play drops by 33-50% in the playoffs, they still find themselves in 7 game series with nearly everyone despite that.

I just don't think you know much about the Leafs, the media or the fans tbh.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

They objectively are, it's just that their play drops by 33-50% in the playoffs, they still find themselves in 7 game series with nearly everyone despite that.

I just don't think you know much about the Leafs, the media or the fans tbh.

The fact that you think they "objectively are" says all that needs to be said about Toronto fans ridiculous expectations.

This is the first year they finished top 2 in the East in the regular season. What the hell have they done to make you think they should be a sure fire thing for the ECF?

 

[NVious]

The fact that you think they "objectively are" says all that needs to be said about Toronto fans ridiculous expectations.

This is the first year they finished top 2 in the East in the regular season. What the hell have they done to make you think they should be a sure fire thing for the ECF?

Matthews has the 5th highest gpg in the season in NHL history.
Marner has the 24th highest ppg in NHL history.

Then they have Nylander/Tavares/Rielly.

I get it to a hater like you, that's barely a playoff team, but just be honest about your hate. I'd be mad too if I got little broed by the Leafs of all teams and I'm a Leafs fan.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Matthews has the 5th highest gpg in the season in NHL history.
Marner has the 24th highest ppg in NHL history.

Then they have Nylander/Tavares/Rielly.

I get it to a hater like you, that's barely a playoff team, but just be honest about your hate. I'd be mad too if I got little broed by the Leafs of all teams and I'm a Leafs fan.

Who gives a shit? Dude watch other teams, seriously. There are simply teams better constructed than the Leafs.

The Leaf fan delusional is truly something special lol.

 

[bert]

Agree 100%, except I would also add the Toronto press as part of the blame.

Was the dreaded 4 Nations fans also so toxic which to explain why AM came up small in that tournament as well?

They whip that fanbase into hysterics by constantly overrating the team. Look no further than leaf fans complaining about the Sportsnet Broadcast. To the rest of us it feels like they are leaf cheer leaders. To leaf fans they feel like they hate them. That's how used to it they are hearing how great their team is. That they want pure delusion in the reporting.

I believe the media creates this. Watching the sportsnet broadcast after the leafs lost to florida was beyond pathetic. Sad, moping around boo hoo. They didnt act like that when Winnipeg was knocked out who was a far better team than Toronto this year.

 

[NVious]

Who gives a shit? Dude watch other teams, seriously. There are simply teams better constructed than the Leafs.

The Leaf fan delusional is truly something special lol.

Yeah who gives a shit about historic numbers, obviously you shouldn't have any expectations based on them. Did you have any expectations with prime Karlsson or was he just another defenseman to you?

5-0 buddy, imagine losing to the Leafs, FIVE TIMES, <3 you lil bro.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Yeah who gives a shit about historic numbers, obviously you shouldn't have any expectations based on them. Did you have any expectations with prime Karlsson or was he just another defenseman to you?

5-0 buddy, imagine losing to the Leafs, FIVE TIMES, <3 you lil bro.

Hockey is a team sport champ, regular season individual numbers mean very little, you should probably know that by now.

Great question about Karlsson though. No I was never deluded enough to think that Ottawa was a contender when they had prime Karlsson. I thought that he was a good enough player to build a contender around, but that they never really surrounded him with a good enough team to do that. But Karlsson's Sens actually won a decent amount of series for a budget team with poor support, so I was never pissed off with their performances. When they made it to the ECF I was pleasantly surprised.

 

[Bust]

Who gives a shit? Dude watch other teams, seriously. There are simply teams better constructed than the Leafs.

The Leaf fan delusional is truly something special lol.

Not sure why the mods here have let you go on your little unhinged rant but here we are.

You literally make 0 points and are an obvious troll, echoed by the fact that fans of other teams are overwhelmingly disagreeing with you.

Keep going though. It is entertaining to read your little meltdown