Player Discussion Matthew Knies | Built for the Playoffs

[Sundinisagod]

If I am him, im taking a 2/3 year deal and then hitting a home run next contract

He can hit that home run now on a long term deal. How bad could a front loaded 9m x 8 years be for him? I think his camp would have used Nylander’s rfa deal as their comparable. It’s all about internal comparables in Toronto. If I’m not mistaken, Nylander’s rfa deal would equate to about 9m x 6 years. I wouldn’t surprised if Knies deal is very similar.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

He’s 22 years old on a rookie deal and you’re finding ways to diminish him. Theres just helluva lot going on here.

Anything to protect his glorious king Mitchell Marner. Apparently comparing the two players is a fair comparison, Even though one has 7 years more NHL experience and makes 10x the salary.

 

[Anthrax442]

He can hit that home run now on a long term deal. How bad could a front loaded 9m x 8 years be for him? I think his camp would have used Nylander’s rfa deal as their comparable. It’s all about internal comparables in Toronto. If I’m not mistaken, Nylander’s rfa deal would equate to about 9m x 6 years. I wouldn’t surprised if Knies deal is very similar.

Can't see them giving him 9 just yet, but i might be wrong

 

[JKG33]

Is anyone else at least a little worried about an offer sheet? I know he said all the right things. But theres so much money available this offseason and so little talent to be had. I think St. Louis really opened Pandora's box last year with Holloway and Broberg.

A 5y $9.3m contract would only cost a team a 1st, 2nd, 3rd. Thats still an easy match as I dont think he's overpaid at that hit.

But an $11.7m cap hit would cost a team 2x 1sts, a 2nd & 3rd. That would make things awfully uncomfortable for the Leafs. Looking at some (near) playoff teams that have the space like LA, Carolina, Minnesota, Montreal, or Columbus.. sure you overpay the player but those mid/late draft picks don't hold much value in relation to Knies. Carolina or Montreal especially would I'm sure like to make things difficult for Toronto

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

There's only one team in the league I think would be dumb enough to give Knies $11M.... unfortunately it's the Leafs.

Knies is a good player. In fact he's my favourite player on the team. But that doesn't mean he's worth as much as a forty goal scoring one hundred point winger.

I wouldn't worry too much about an offer sheet.

St. Louis was a unique situation because they were able to take advantage of Edmonton's cap mismanagement to walk away with two good players. The Leafs will have ample cap space to match any reasonable offer sheets. On the other hand If someone wants to pay Knies $11M+ have at it.

The compensation is worth more than the Leafs could get in a trade.

I hope someone in the Atlantic did it. Because the team that did that would never be a contender. They'd handcuff their payroll and throw away their best draft and trade capital all in one shot.

Too bad the Leafs are the only team in the NHL dumb enough to do something like that.

 

[sunstersun]

There's only one team in the league I think would be dumb enough to give Knies $11M.... unfortunately it's the Leafs.

Knies is a good player. In fact he's my favourite player on the team. But that doesn't mean he's worth as much as a forty goal scoring one hundred point winger.

I wouldn't worry too much about an offer sheet.

St. Louis was a unique situation because they were able to take advantage of Edmonton's cap mismanagement to walk away with two good players. The Leafs will have ample cap space to match any reasonable offer sheets. On the other hand If someone wants to pay Knies $11M+ have at it.

The compensation is worth more than the Leafs could get in a trade.

I hope someone in the Atlantic did it. Because the team that did that would never be a contender. They'd handcuff their payroll and throw away their best draft and trade capital all in one shot.

Too bad the Leafs are the only team in the NHL dumb enough to do something like that.

Isn't 10.43 mil just a 1st and a 2nd?

That sounds like worse case scenario for me. I'd rather have Knies than a 1st and a 2nd, but he's not close to 10.43 mil. Even at 9.43 mil I'm still very eh about it.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Leafs can't overpay him. The days of doing what Dubas did with their 3 RFA's have to be over or the Leafs will never win.

He can make an exceptional living and I can see the potential for some serious endorsement deals if he chooses because he is arriving at a point where in 5 or 6 years he might be captain material. The Leafs are the only real global NHL team, maybe the Habs and to a lesser degree the Rangers. You sign and win here, you become somewhat of a global icon.

Leafs can't keep overpaying for potential though. I'd even consider performance bonuses as part of the contract if he listens to his agent and over values himself (which is what all agents tend to do).

Look, I like the kid. He brings the passion some games and is competitive (to be a big dog it has to be consistent though). With Berube as coach he could be molded in the likes of a Roberts when Quinn was coach. Hell, even a Clark if they go on a deep run. Berube knows how to maximize players like Knies, set him up for success and even a legacy if he listens. Berube made a career out of the greatest of sacrifices to play in the NHL.

It's way too early in his career to compare him to the great Leaf players right now. Potential? Absolutely. Don't try to take the team to the shed or you just might get Offer Sheeted and lose out on a really good career. Just playing with Matthews and Marner added many points, just look at what Domi did playing away from them.

I was adamant this past trade deadline to not overpay because I didn't think they had the horses this year. Not until they shed a couple of big contracts to replace with Gamers. They can't overpay for potential as they did with the prior RFA lot. I hope he doesn't get greedy because it would be a shame to see him leave.
Leafs need to build a team and this means running four lines that have identities and can get it done. This can't be done when they skew their cap space.

 

[A1LeafNation]

I dont really mind the cap but signed him to 8 years ffs.

 

[hullsy47]

There's only one team in the league I think would be dumb enough to give Knies $11M.... unfortunately it's the Leafs.

Knies is a good player. In fact he's my favourite player on the team. But that doesn't mean he's worth as much as a forty goal scoring one hundred point winger.

I wouldn't worry too much about an offer sheet.

St. Louis was a unique situation because they were able to take advantage of Edmonton's cap mismanagement to walk away with two good players. The Leafs will have ample cap space to match any reasonable offer sheets. On the other hand If someone wants to pay Knies $11M+ have at it.

The compensation is worth more than the Leafs could get in a trade.

I hope someone in the Atlantic did it. Because the team that did that would never be a contender. They'd handcuff their payroll and throw away their best draft and trade capital all in one shot.

Too bad the Leafs are the only team in the NHL dumb enough to do something like that.

He really is worth matt duchene

 

[Sundinisagod]

There's only one team in the league I think would be dumb enough to give Knies $11M.... unfortunately it's the Leafs.

Knies is a good player. In fact he's my favourite player on the team. But that doesn't mean he's worth as much as a forty goal scoring one hundred point winger.

I wouldn't worry too much about an offer sheet.

St. Louis was a unique situation because they were able to take advantage of Edmonton's cap mismanagement to walk away with two good players. The Leafs will have ample cap space to match any reasonable offer sheets. On the other hand If someone wants to pay Knies $11M+ have at it.

The compensation is worth more than the Leafs could get in a trade.

I hope someone in the Atlantic did it. Because the team that did that would never be a contender. They'd handcuff their payroll and throw away their best draft and trade capital all in one shot.

Too bad the Leafs are the only team in the NHL dumb enough to do something like that.

The compensation is terrible imho and needs to be adjusted to align with the rising salary cap. Very poor odds of landing a player of Knies calibre with one of those picks.

 

[Niagara Bill]

June 20...it us now starting to be reported the Leafs and Knies are fsr apart.
Soon offer sheers can be prepared. Concern should be building with all fans.
Are players starting to want a premium to play for this team?

 

[horner]

I was pretty firmly against extending Hyman at the sort of term that he was wanting / ended up getting.

I look pretty stupid now.

I wasn't

 

[ULF_55]

1st., 2nd., 3rd.

If someone goes $9.4mm, take the picks;

• 2x 1st Round Picks
• 1x 2nd Round Pick
• 1x 3rd Round Pick

Then use the picks in trades.

He's still very young, obviously, the "Built for the Playoffs" will have to wait until next year.

Maybe he was willing to go into battle but no one wanted to join him? Thought he'd have more bite, with the punishment/injury he received from Bennett 2 years ago.

Perhaps it is the difference between developing in the NCAA and Junior A?

 

[leafsfan2point0]

pain.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

dont forget this beauty.

 

[mjd1001]

I want to see Knies produce WITHOUT Matthews before I give him even what some are suggesting he get:

-When Knies has Mathews on the ice with him ES, the team scores a goal every 17.1 minutes.

-When Knies it out there without Matthews, its a goal once every 30 minutes and they allow more goals than they score.

-In the playoffs this year, in almost 38 minutes of ice time without Matthews on the ice, the team scored ZERO goals with Knies was out there without AM.

The fact that he has scored with Matthews shows he has potential, but before I start giving him even $8m per year as some are saying, I want to see him do it for a decent stretch without AM tilting the defense toward him and away from Knies.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

game 1. Home advantage vs Florida.
up 5-3 after the Knies goal. #1G in net Stolarz.

 

[PromisedLand]

Can we sign Knies for 6x6?

 

[PromisedLand]

Isn't 10.43 mil just a 1st and a 2nd?

That sounds like worse case scenario for me. I'd rather have Knies than a 1st and a 2nd, but he's not close to 10.43 mil. Even at 9.43 mil I'm still very eh about it.

 

[Leafsfan74]

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I highly doubt that someone is crazy enough to pay him over $9.3M. If they do, I take the two Firsts, 2nd and 3rd in an instant. You can move those picks at the deadline for players who fall out of favour and/or have far lower AAV with similar styles.

Leafs can't keep overpaying and trying to "go all in" every year, They are finally getting out from under these millstone contracts and whichever fool pushed to NOT trade Marner before his NTC kicked is should forfeit their salary for a year or not come within 10 feet of an NHL franchise.

Regardless, the cap space of losing Marner is a nice win in itself.

The kid is going to be rich beyond his wildest dreams with the chance to play full time with a 69 goal scorer and a chance to win a Cup in the centre of the hockey universe.

If his agent wants to squeeze every nickel he is going to cost himself more in the long run when he signs with a weaker team and is on the line with a 30 goal scorer.

 

[Menzinger]

Every RFA has to go through a negotiation like this. 90% of the media reporting has both sides in good spirits, even if there's disagreement.

Folks need to relax a bit, it'll get done.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Sebastian Aho had significantly better stats than Knies. Back to back 30 goal years, coming off a ppg year, and 25 goal rookie year.

Now, if he were a leaf, all our fans here and media would fear monger with "SOMEONE WILL OFFER SHEET HIM FOR 12 MILLION!!!!!!! SO SIGN HIM FOR LIKE 11X4!!!! IT'S A STEAL!!!!"

But Carolina was infinitely smarter than every leaf fan, leaf media, and leaf management.

They told Aho "Go see what you can get on the open market. Sign it. And we'll decide if we match".

I guess being in a non-hockey market allows Carolina management to not be blinded by media insanity. They KNEW that no team would go past the one 1st overall threshold. And that was 8.4x5. The KNEW no team would be stupid enough to offer more than that. And they were right. They aren't as stupid as leaf fans, media and management.

That was a guy who was coming off back to back 30 goal seasons, a ppg season, and a 25 goal rookie year.

It's so f***ing frustrating that I'm seeing the same leaf fan nonsense. They think a team will offer 58 point career high and 40 total career goals Matthew Knies that same one 1st overall threshold times 5 years.

This fanbase makes me infuriated. It's actually unhealthy how much you all piss me off. That's why I had to take a break from this place most of the year.

 

[Trapper]

Sebastian Aho had significantly better stats than Knies. Back to back 30 goal years, coming off a ppg year, and 25 goal rookie year.

Now, if he were a leaf, all our fans here and media would fear monger with "SOMEONE WILL OFFER SHEET HIM FOR 12 MILLION!!!!!!! SO SIGN HIM FOR LIKE 11X4!!!! IT'S A STEAL!!!!"

But Carolina was infinitely smarter than every leaf fan, leaf media, and leaf management.

They told Aho "Go see what you can get on the open market. Sign it. And we'll decide if we match".

I guess being in a non-hockey market allows Carolina management to not be blinded by media insanity. They KNEW that no team would go past the one 1st overall threshold. And that was 8.4x5. The KNEW no team would be stupid enough to offer more than that. And they were right. They aren't as stupid as leaf fans, media and management.

That was a guy who was coming off back to back 30 goal seasons, a ppg season, and a 25 goal rookie year.

It's so f***ing frustrating that I'm seeing the same leaf fan nonsense. They think a team will offer 58 point career high and 40 total career goals Matthew Knies that same one 1st overall threshold times 5 years.

This fanbase makes me infuriated. It's actually unhealthy how much you all piss me off. That's why I had to take a break from this place most of the year.

Tre had the chance to reset the internal cap, Nylander should have been at 10 million (especially if you want an NMC, you don’t get more for that you buy the NMC with salary) and Matthews should have been 8 years. Now is he going to fall in the same trap with Knies getting dictated terms?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Tre had the chance to reset the internal cap, Nylander should have been at 10 million (especially if you want an NMC, you don’t get more for that you buy the NMC with salary) and Matthews should have been 8 years. Now is he going to fall in the same trap with Knies getting dictated terms?

And what also absolutely f***ing infuriates me is that every other player in the history of the cap era gets paid based on production alone.

But every single leaf star player has these alleged "intangibles" that dictate them being paid more than their production comparables.

For Nylander it was (lol) "zone entries". For Marner it was 5v5 p/60 even though all his comparables scores way more goals, and for Matthews all of a sudden p/60 didn't matter in the slightest and JUST goals counted. And now it's Knies "playoff style power forward?"

IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING!!!!

I'M SICK OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Trapper]

And what also absolutely f***ing infuriates me is that every other player in the history of the cap era gets paid based on production alone.

But every single leaf star player has these alleged "intangibles" that dictate them being paid more than their production comparables.

For Nylander it was (lol) "zone entries". For Marner it was 5v5 p/60 even though all his comparables scores way more goals, and for Matthews all of a sudden p/60 didn't matter in the slightest and JUST goals counted. And now it's Knies "playoff style power forward?"

IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING!!!!

I'M SICK OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the Leafs enable it. They should have sent a message long ago when Nylander held out for 2 months.
They just keep losing the negotiations.