Rumor: Matt Sekeres (Daily Hive) - Winnipeg Jets team to watch on JT Miller

[Canucks LB]

We have a Thread on the Rangers + Colorado.
Looks like the Jet's might be interested, Let's talk about them specifically here.

Earlier this season when the Vancouver Canucks were really sucking and something just had to give with the team, I had a pro scout tell me that the New York Rangers and Winnipeg Jets were two teams to watch on J.T. Miller.

Watch out for the Rangers and Jets if Canucks are trading Miller | Offside

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[OneSniffTwoSniff]

Miller for Perfetti and Heinola

 

[SUX2BU]

Miller for Perfetti and Heinola

 

[BKarchitect]

Canucks fans sure are dreaming big. Necas+Drury, Newhook+Barron, Schneider+Kravtsov+1st, Perfetti+Heinola.

Miller is great and he’s not a rental. He’s a legit first liner. He’s also not a superstar and he’s got 1.5 years of good contract left.

A package including a 1st, a really solid prospect who maybe was a recent later 1st and is trending well, another nice pick, and a youngish NHLer who maybe needs a change of scenery but has upside…I mean that is probably more what we are looking at.

I will be shocked if teams give young NHLers with big upside who are already critical pieces of their team (Necas, Jarvis, Newhook) or crown jewel prospects who occupy a unique projection position for their clubs (Schneider, Perfetti).

 

[Anthony5967]

Canucks fans sure are dreaming big. Necas+Drury, Newhook+Barron, Schneider+Kravtsov+1st, Perfetti+Heinola.

Miller is great and he’s not a rental. He’s a legit first liner. He’s also not a superstar, he’s 30 and he’s got 1.5 years of good contract left.

A package including a 1st, a really solid prospect who maybe was a recent later 1st and is trending well, another nice pick, and a youngish NHLer who maybe needs a change of scenery but has upside…I mean that is probably more what we are looking at.

I will be shocked if teams give young NHLers with big upside who are already critical pieces of their team (Necas, Jarvis, Newhook) or crown jewel prospects who occupy a unique projection position for their clubs (Schneider, Perfetti).

He's 28 years old. Each situation in the NHL seems to be unique. Buffalo fans thought they were getting a haul back for Eichel which didn't happen because of the neck issue and uncertainty surrounding the surgery. However, now Miller is going to really stick out at the deadline as the best forward available, and we all know teams bidding against one another can drive up price, but there is no way Sakic parts with Newhook, Jets part with Perfetti, and Rangers part with Schneider. Isn't happening. They will get a nice return, though.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Heinola I can see being traded because Samberg was called up and is playing well in the NHL. He's a bit redundant.
Perfetti looks like the real deal already, no way on earth the Jets parts ways with him. I don't even see him going back down to the Moose, the kid is so damn good. This isn't to say that Perfetti + Heinola is a remotely good deal. That kind of package could return much, much more than a 30 year old player with a year and a half left on his contract.
Overall, thanks to Maurice's coaching blunders and our inability to stay healthy, we might not even make it this year. We might be sellers, and cash in Copp, Stastny and others for assets at the deadline. We're not going to break the bank on Miller.

 

[BKarchitect]

He's 28 years old. Each situation in the NHL seems to be unique. Buffalo fans thought they were getting a haul back for Eichel which didn't happen because of the neck issue and uncertainty surrounding the surgery. However, now Miller is going to really stick out at the deadline as the best forward available, and we all know teams bidding against one another can drive up price, but there is no way Sakic parts with Newhook, Jets part with Perfetti, and Rangers part with Schneider. Isn't happening. They will get a nice return, though.

My bad, not sure why I thought he was 30. I still think Newhook, Jarvis, Perfetti types are a bridge too far.

 

[Anthony5967]

My bad, not sure why I thought he was 30. I still think Newhook, Jarvis, Perfetti types are a bridge too far.

Yea, I honestly would be stunned if that happened. It's like when McDonagh was being traded and Rangers fans thought Point or Sergachev was coming back. It won't happen, but that doesn't mean Vancouver won't get solid pieces in return.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Miller for Dubois

 

[Tralfamadore]

Who isn't interested at this point? If Meier isn't available Miller will be the most targeted player available. Van should be able to get a nice haul for him.

 

[CanuckCity]

Why wouldn't we ask/expect a return like that though? We're not desperate to move him and still have a realistic chance at the playoffs. Moving him now means giving up on the season. Can always wait till July to see his contact expectations and move him in the summer or next deadline.

It seems people still look at him as the NYR/TB Miller with some of these offers. We're talking about a 3yr PPg player, who is 20th in league scoring and plays C/W PP/PK and is 53% of FO.

The real value is that you can have all that for 2 playoffs at potentially $2.6M

Like there aren't even any comparables because this type of player at that salary is almost never available. The closest would be Duchene but he cost 2.5x more and put up half the points at the time.

I'm sure nucks fans sound like a broken record repeating this but it seems to be completely ignored with these proposals.

Also a late 1st is a sweetener, absolutely not the main or co-main piece. We want to be competing in 2 yrs and the assets we get need to reflect that timeline.

/rant

 

[SM]

Interesting to see later on, but I don’t think Jets would be in a spot to make the deal now.

Jets would be unwilling to move Perfetti, and from what I know of VAN’s system, they’re not in need of a small puck-moving LHD in Heinola. There’s other prospects in the pipeline that may be interesting for VAN (Lucius, Chibrikov, Rashevsky) but are all a couple years away at minimum.

 

[north49er]

Miller for Perfetti and Heinola

IMO you've had one too many sniffs.....

 

[Huffer]

Not sure I would be too happy to spend assets at this point on what I would consider a short term fix (this year and next on his contract and doubtful the Jets have the space to re-sign). Sounds like this was more from earlier in the year though, so no clue if it makes sense with the Jets where they are. 0 interest in dealing a 1st (with where the team currently sits), and LOL at asking for Perfetti or Heinola. Dubois? LOL.

 

[Bobby9]

As a Canucks fan I understand the mentality of having a good team that has a chance to make a run but not wanting to part with young assests. Nucks were very good 2009-2012 and we never really went all out at the deadline and paid for it by never having a cup.

The Jets are a good team, but not a great team. If they want to be stuck in a cycle of consistent 1st or 2nd round playoff exits while their core players get older and have a GM that never really goes for it then by all means do so.

Miller is legit 1C.
At 50% retention thats 2.6M a year.

If you don't think that a 1C at 2.6 is worth Perfetti then thats okay. Enjoy the cycle.

 

[Hunter368]

Not sure I would be too happy to spend assets at this point on what I would consider a short term fix (this year and next on his contract and doubtful the Jets have the space to re-sign). Sounds like this was more from earlier in the year though, so no clue if it makes sense with the Jets where they are. 0 interest in dealing a 1st (with where the team currently sits), and LOL at asking for Perfetti or Heinola. Dubois? LOL.

AT this stage, I wouldn't likely unless we get closer to the wild card with a small winning streak. If we got a bit closer then maybe a 1st or Heinola....maybe as part of a package. PLD is clearly not going to happen, Cole isn't going to be available either IMO. Knowing Jets management they at best are kicking tires to see if there is any reasonable deals, but have never sold the farm like some are suggesting here for a TDL trade......just not their MO.

 

[Huffer]

As a Canucks fan I understand the mentality of having a good team that has a chance to make a run but not wanting to part with young assests. Nucks were very good 2009-2012 and we never really went all out at the deadline and paid for it by never having a cup.

The Jets are a good team, but not a great team. If they want to be stuck in a cycle of consistent 1st or 2nd round playoff exits while their core players get older and have a GM that never really goes for it then by all means do so.

Miller is legit 1C.
At 50% retention thats 2.6M a year.

If you don't think that a 1C at 2.6 is worth Perfetti then thats okay. Enjoy the cycle.

No one has said JT isn't a good player. IT makes 0 sense to move 20 year old Perfetti who is looking like a legit top 6 player, and possibly a top line player who the Jets will have control of for at least 7 years (and maybe more depending on how they structure the next few contracts), the 1st 3 on an ELC, for JT Miller, who the Jets would only have for 1.5 seasons.

IF the Jets are spending at the TD (which may not even be a good idea) they should be targeting bottom 6 depth scoring. Not trading away a piece like Perfetti for a short term fix.

 

[jrs]

Miller would certainly fit in well with the Jets group, but I wouldn’t trade perfetti for him.

 

[Overrateprospects]

Canucks fans sure are dreaming big. Necas+Drury, Newhook+Barron, Schneider+Kravtsov+1st, Perfetti+Heinola.

Miller is great and he’s not a rental. He’s a legit first liner. He’s also not a superstar and he’s got 1.5 years of good contract left.

A package including a 1st, a really solid prospect who maybe was a recent later 1st and is trending well, another nice pick, and a youngish NHLer who maybe needs a change of scenery but has upside…I mean that is probably more what we are looking at.

I will be shocked if teams give young NHLers with big upside who are already critical pieces of their team (Necas, Jarvis, Newhook) or crown jewel prospects who occupy a unique projection position for their clubs (Schneider, Perfetti).

But Canucks fans say he is a top 20 player in the league……

 

[Ishad]

If this happens how many times will the Jets have traded a 1st rounder for a center at the TDL?

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I'd love to see the Wheeler/Miller battle for locker room supremacy!

 

[Paddys Pub]

But Canucks fans say he is a top 20 player in the league……

No. Stats say that.

 

[YukonCornelius 5thOA]

It’s so amazing your fan base has this GIF at their disposal.

 

[arttk]

But Canucks fans say he is a top 20 player in the league……

He is top20 in scoring.

 

[StickShift]

NYR and Colorado both seem like much better trade partners than Winnipeg. Not sure I see any Jets assets they'd be willing to give-up or that are the Canucks most pressing org need.