Player Discussion Matt Beleskey

[CharasLazyWrister]

I take Chris Kelly @ 3M over Matt Beleskey @ 3.8M any day of the week.

I don't.

The over-expectations for Beleskey are the fault of the folks who thought that way, not on Beleskey himself or Sweeney.

He's been exactly what I wanted. A guy not afraid to get his nose dirty who can pot some points. That's exactly what they brought him here for, and that's exactly what that contract was signed for.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Lucic 21gp 6g 6a 12pts +8 18pim 1pp 3gw 26 shots

Beleskey 18gp 2g 7a 9pts -1 15pim 25 shots

You call that near identical seasons and yet you call my perception wrong... I'll take the extra 4 goals and PP and GWing goals any day of the week over Beleskey's 2 and zero's...

Jamie, not to rain on your parade, but Lucic plays a minute more each game (16:19 vs 15:19). He gets over 2 min of PP time per game and has 4 PP points (Beleskey 21 sec and 0 on the PP). He also makes $2m + more per year.

When I look at that and what Lucic will get for a deal next season (not to mention the return)...I am ok with the 3 point difference.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Jamie, not to rain on your parade, but Lucic plays a minute more each game (16:19 vs 15:19). He gets over 2 min of PP time per game and has 4 PP points (Beleskey 21 sec and 0 on the PP). He also makes $2m + more per year.

When I look at that and what Lucic will get for a deal next season (not to mention the return)...I am ok with the 3 point difference.

This.

The argument being presented against this is laughably shortsighted and rather preposterous.

 

[TootSweet]

Yea lucic is being paid 6 million, plus is playing more minutes and on the PP in an not to mention on a more talented roster. Don't have any issues with Belesky's game right now. He will pot a few if he keeps playing like he is.

 

[Mpasta]

We still have 5 months left of the season

Enough with this on pace ********. It means nothing at this point in time.

What are you talking about?

I guess I could have simplified it for you and said he has 2 goals. The argument was that people were expecting more goals. No matter how you want to look at it.

 

[DoubleAAAA]

Just in terms of market, Abdelkader's deal is a great point of reference of what versatile mid-roster guys are making now. To me those extra 2 years for Abdelkader push it over the edge from being questionable to being likely regrettable, especially considering he's already a year older than MB. But regardless, it reflects what the market is (which of course doesn't necessarily reflect what it "should be"). Very similar players, similar career production, play up and down the line up, close in age.

 

[BB88]

What are you talking about?

I guess I could have simplified it for you and said he has 2 goals. The argument was that people were expecting more goals. No matter how you want to look at it.

And he is on pace for career high in points without pp time, points mean goals too.

 

[Mpasta]

And he is on pace for career high in points without pp time, points mean goals too.

You're grasping at straws here. I am fine with his play. I was playing devil's advocate. People expected more goals. I have no idea what "points mean goals" means in this situation because assists don't mean goals.

 

[BB88]

You're grasping at straws here. I am fine with his play. I was playing devil's advocate. People expected more goals. I have no idea what "points mean goals" means in this situation because assists don't mean goals.

Assist and goal gives you the same result on the score board, 1 goal for Boston, so if he is on pace (easily) for career high I can't complain too much.
He is a player that scores close range and he isn't on the pp, where he would be at his best.

 

[thegodfather]

Honestly, that stat sheet is not dramatically different.

The point is we would have lost Lucic for nothing this coming offseason. Some other team is going to give him a ridiculous offer (actually, multiple teams will probably do that) and we would have lost him for nothing. Especially in a year where we really weren't expected to compete for much, what is the benefit in that? Instead he was traded, we got a ton back, and saved money this season.

Unless you're still in love with mystique of Lucic, pretty much anyone can understand that as an extremely good trade for the Bruins, value wise.

At no time have a stated I don't like the trade...but you have no clue as to what we could of gotten for Lucic if we had kept him and dealt him at the trade deadline.

And lets keep in mind that unless Sweeney does a great job drafting with those 1st rounder picks they are still not worth anything right now. And you need to look no further then his first draft and all the question marks by a lot of people out there.

 

[BB88]

At no time have a stated I don't like the trade...but you have no clue as to what we could of gotten for Lucic if we had kept him and dealt him at the trade deadline.

And lets keep in mind that unless Sweeney does a great job drafting with those 1st rounder picks they are still not worth anything right now. And you need to look no further then his first draft and all the question marks by a lot of people out there.

Would be around late 1st+ prospect at the deadline.

Colin screams potential and gives Boston something it badly needs.
Also Zboril was considered the best D-player after the big 3 in the top10 and seems to be a Boston type of player.

 

[Fire Sweeney]

And he is on pace for career high in points without pp time, points mean goals too.

a 35 point player is still a marginal player. Kelly's career high of 39 points doesn't change the nature of his replaceable play.He did that averaging less TOI than Beleskey is getting right now, and scored 20 goals.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

At no time have a stated I don't like the trade...but you have no clue as to what we could of gotten for Lucic if we had kept him and dealt him at the trade deadline.

And lets keep in mind that unless Sweeney does a great job drafting with those 1st rounder picks they are still not worth anything right now. And you need to look no further then his first draft and all the question marks by a lot of people out there.

I am pretty sure that Sweeney got more for a full season of Lucic then he would have for a couple of months at the deadline.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

a 35 point player is still a marginal player. Kelly's career high of 39 points doesn't change the nature of his replaceable play.He did that averaging less TOI than Beleskey is getting right now, and scored 20 goals.

On a team that was much better than the current edition of the B's (49-29-4).

 

[JEM28]

I am pretty sure that Sweeney got more for a full season of Lucic then he would have for a couple of months at the deadline.

Hard to say. With the pre-season trade the Kings assume a full year of his significant salary. Deadline deal, that's not the case. Kind of depends on what teams were positioned where as the playoff picture came to light...Chicago gave up a 1st and Dalbeck for Vermette.

I felt the Lucic deal returned a good haul for the B's, I'm just not sure you can ever know exactly what would have transpired at the deadline.

 

[24giovanni]

The goalie the B's got in the Kings trade will be good for us. Hell, he might be good now.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Hard to say. With the pre-season trade the Kings assume a full year of his significant salary. Deadline deal, that's not the case. Kind of depends on what teams were positioned where as the playoff picture came to light...Chicago gave up a 1st and Dalbeck for Vermette.

I felt the Lucic deal returned a good haul for the B's, I'm just not sure you can ever know exactly what would have transpired at the deadline.

Didn't the B's eat some of Lucic's salary, so not really relevant to the conversation? You can never know exactly, but given that the word is out there that Lucic likely ends up back in his hometown (unlike Vermette) and the chance that his production would be lagging, I like that the B's dealt him before the draft.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

The goalie the B's got in the Kings trade will be good for us. Hell, he might be good now.

Cleverness...

 

[22Brad Park]

Love this guys game.Hope some big goals start coming.
Bruins miss Kelly too.I see his money has not been used yet either to add help.Boston better not sit all year on it.

 

[Bruins4Lifer]

Needs to score more goals. Other than that his game has been about what you would expect.

 

[PB37]

What are you talking about?

I guess I could have simplified it for you and said he has 2 goals. The argument was that people were expecting more goals. No matter how you want to look at it.

What am I talking about?

]He's on pace for like 9 goals this season so I don't see how it would be unrealistic to have expected him to score more

It's still way to early in the season. He's doing everything else the team needs to help win games, even if he's not the one scoring the goals. A two goal game and suddenly he's " on pace " for 16 goals.

 

[13Hockey]

Another huge assist by Beleskey in OT

 

[chizzler]

At no time have a stated I don't like the trade...but you have no clue as to what we could of gotten for Lucic if we had kept him and dealt him at the trade deadline.

And lets keep in mind that unless Sweeney does a great job drafting with those 1st rounder picks they are still not worth anything right now. And you need to look no further then his first draft and all the question marks by a lot of people out there.

What? You think he would get more than 2 1st rounders, C Miller, and a prospect( kuraley)?

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

Another huge assist by Beleskey in OT

Two huge play on two game winning goals in the past 3 games.

 

[patty59]

Jamie, not to rain on your parade, but Lucic plays a minute more each game (16:19 vs 15:19). He gets over 2 min of PP time per game and has 4 PP points (Beleskey 21 sec and 0 on the PP). He also makes $2m + more per year.

When I look at that and what Lucic will get for a deal next season (not to mention the return)...I am ok with the 3 point difference.

that spread will be quite larger by the end of the season.


Not that I don't like Belesky, but Lucic is a better player and much more productive.