Player Discussion Matt Beleskey

[Jean_Jacket41]

If expectations should be that he's a third liner, are we now okay with paying third liners $3.8M/year?

Either he's grossly overpaid or he's supposed to be a little more than a third liner, right?

On the UFA market, 3-4M is now 3rd liner money.

That makes Beleskey paid just right for what he is.

 

[HuskyBruinPride]

If expectations should be that he's a third liner, are we now okay with paying third liners $3.8M/year?

Either he's grossly overpaid or he's supposed to be a little more than a third liner, right?

$3.8M really isn't that high for a 3rd liner. On the higher side, sure, but nothing outrageous.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

Hmmm. Not feelin the love for the player, or the contract, just yet.

$3.8 for 5 years? Not sure how I feel about it at this point.

The Jimmy's making $2.3 for 3 years. Seems like they're sort of similar players.

And Pasta is making 950k.

That is the difference between ELC (Pasta), Hayes (RFA) and Beleskey (UFA).

3-4M on UFA market give you only secondary players which Beleskey is. No problem with that.

You want a superstar? Will cost you 9-10.5M per.
A top player? 7-9M.
A core guy that can play top-6? 5-7M

That's the price. You pay 3-4M, you get supporting cast types. Beleskey is just that.

 

[CDJ]

Especially since he's a guy who can flip into the top 6 when needed. 40+ points with no PP time, excellent board work, and a **** ton of hits is absolutely worth 3.8 mill.


I believe I read somewhere on here this summer that he left money on the table to sign here as well- we need more Matt Beleskeys. Guys who want to be here and will give you the consistent effort we so desperately lacked last year (and a bit this year as well)


I also thought Beleskey and Hayes were at their best when they were on the same line together, wish we could see more of that.

 

[TheReal13Linseman]

And Pasta is making 950k.

That is the difference between ELC (Pasta), Hayes (RFA) and Beleskey (UFA).

3-4M on UFA market give you only secondary players which Beleskey is. No problem with that.

You want a superstar? Will cost you 9-10.5M per.
A top player? 7-9M.
A core guy that can play top-6? 5-7M

That's the price. You pay 3-4M, you get supporting cast types. Beleskey is just that.

I understand the differences in pay levels among ELC/RFA/UFAs, but not every 7-12 player is paid $3.8. Or, that is, they shouldn't be (in a salary cap world). I would've thought the Chris Kelly experience would have made that apparent. To put it another way, if Belesky were to turn into CK2, would we be ok with that, given our current roster (not the 2011 roster)?

Especially since he's a guy who can flip into the top 6 when needed. 40+ points with no PP time, excellent board work, and a **** ton of hits is absolutely worth 3.8 mill.


I believe I read somewhere on here this summer that he left money on the table to sign here as well- we need more Matt Beleskeys. Guys who want to be here and will give you the consistent effort we so desperately lacked last year (and a bit this year as well)


I also thought Beleskey and Hayes were at their best when they were on the same line together, wish we could see more of that.

I think Anaheim offered $4/4 so yeah, he technically left money on the table, but he also got a seat at the table for another year signing with us, so, not sure how I'd score that.

Don't hate the guy or the contract. But, I'd be lying if I were to say that there isn't a nagging concern there.

 

[finchster]

I understand the differences in pay levels among ELC/RFA/UFAs, but not every 7-12 player is paid $3.8. Or, that is, they shouldn't be (in a salary cap world). I would've thought the Chris Kelly experience would have made that apparent. To put it another way, if Belesky were to turn into CK2, would we be ok with that, given our current roster (not the 2011 roster)?



I think Anaheim offered $4/4 so yeah, he technically left money on the table, but he also got a seat at the table for another year signing with us, so, not sure how I'd score that.

Don't hate the guy or the contract. But, I'd be lying if I were to say that there isn't a nagging concern there.

16m over 4 years, 19m over 5 years. He took more guaranteed money. He took the best offer overall

 

[TMac21]

I like what he has brought to the table so far, but do expect more goals, has to get to at least 15 for that kind of money.

 

[xStanleyCupsFor]

And Pasta is making 950k.

That is the difference between ELC (Pasta), Hayes (RFA) and Beleskey (UFA).

3-4M on UFA market give you only secondary players which Beleskey is. No problem with that.

You want a superstar? Will cost you 9-10.5M per.
A top player? 7-9M.
A core guy that can play top-6? 5-7M

That's the price. You pay 3-4M, you get supporting cast types. Beleskey is just that.

I think we should make this into a crib sheet for posters. Learn it, know it, live it.

 

[reffree]

Love him as a 3rd liner, amazing intensity, but he fight the puck way too much to play on the top 6.

 

[Tampbear]

I understand the differences in pay levels among ELC/RFA/UFAs, but not every 7-12 player is paid $3.8. Or, that is, they shouldn't be (in a salary cap world). I would've thought the Chris Kelly experience would have made that apparent. To put it another way, if Belesky were to turn into CK2, would we be ok with that, given our current roster (not the 2011 roster)?



I think Anaheim offered $4/4 so yeah, he technically left money on the table, but he also got a seat at the table for another year signing with us, so, not sure how I'd score that.

Don't hate the guy or the contract. But, I'd be lying if I were to say that there isn't a nagging concern there.

I think he outlives his welcome when we have prospects pushing for his job, about the time his NTC changes. Right now we have the space and nobody pushing for a position and hes a good hockey player.

 

[13Hockey]

Beleskey is 5th in the NHL in hits per game this season

He is on pace for 41 points

He has stood up for all his teammates when needed

He works his tail off every shift and every game

He has been worth the 3.8 million and than some so far this year

He has been a bit unlucky around the net and hitting post could easily have 3 or more goals but he is still producing

Top 5 on the team in Even Strength Points

I'm really surprised people aren't loving Beleskey so far

 

[PB37]

Beleskey is 5th in the NHL in hits per game this season

He is on pace for 41 points

He has stood up for all his teammates when needed

He works his tail off every shift and every game

He has been worth the 3.8 million and than some so far this year

He has been a bit unlucky around the net and hitting post could easily have 3 or more goals but he is still producing

Top 5 on the team in Even Strength Points

I'm really surprised people aren't loving Beleskey so far

People do love Beleskey. But as some of us predicted before the season started, some are going to look at goal totals and herp derp to a negative conclusion based on unrealistic expectations.,

 

[thegodfather]

But your perception is obviously wrong, he and Lucic are having near identical seasons.

Lucic 21gp 6g 6a 12pts +8 18pim 1pp 3gw 26 shots

Beleskey 18gp 2g 7a 9pts -1 15pim 25 shots

You call that near identical seasons and yet you call my perception wrong... I'll take the extra 4 goals and PP and GWing goals any day of the week over Beleskey's 2 and zero's...

 

[BB88]

If expectations should be that he's a third liner, are we now okay with paying third liners $3.8M/year?

Either he's grossly overpaid or he's supposed to be a little more than a third liner, right?

That's normal UFA money, one way to stay away from these is to draft well and have guys on ELC's in the lineup.

I said in Lucic threads during playoffs this year that if we want this type of player I rather have them at 3-4M and not on huge 7M contracts.

 

[AlpineLager]

Lucic 21gp 6g 6a 12pts +8 18pim 1pp 3gw 26 shots

Beleskey 18gp 2g 7a 9pts -1 15pim 25 shots

You call that near identical seasons and yet you call my perception wrong... I'll take the extra 4 goals and PP and GWing goals any day of the week over Beleskey's 2 and zero's...

Agree with this.

And lets remember his 2 goals.. both flukey. Im sure Looch has a few ugly ones but im just saying

 

[Mpasta]

People do love Beleskey. But as some of us predicted before the season started, some are going to look at goal totals and herp derp to a negative conclusion based on unrealistic expectations.,

He's on pace for like 9 goals this season so I don't see how it would be unrealistic to have expected him to score more.

I wasn't expected him to score 20+ though like some people but those people have to realize not many players come to the Bruins and score more or the same amount of goals.

As long as he does the other stuff right then I don't have a problem with his contract.

 

[CDJ]

Tough to take points away from a guy for not scoring on the PP when he isn't on the PP to begin with, call me old fashioned.

 

[PB37]

He's on pace for like 9 goals this season so I don't see how it would be unrealistic to have expected him to score more.

I wasn't expected him to score 20+ though like some people but those people have to realize not many players come to the Bruins and score more or the same amount of goals.

As long as he does the other stuff right then I don't have a problem with his contract.

We still have 5 months left of the season

Enough with this on pace ********. It means nothing at this point in time.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

We still have 5 months left of the season

Enough with this on pace ********. It means nothing at this point in time.

One less goal than Sidney Crosby.

 

[JOKER 192]

Lucic 21gp 6g 6a 12pts +8 18pim 1pp 3gw 26 shots

Beleskey 18gp 2g 7a 9pts -1 15pim 25 shots

You call that near identical seasons and yet you call my perception wrong... I'll take the extra 4 goals and PP and GWing goals any day of the week over Beleskey's 2 and zero's...

Well Lucic should be doing more , shouldn't he ? He's getting paid more so that would only make sense. When you consider this is a contract year for Lucic, let's just say I expected more. When we consider that Lucic makes 37% more and has a mere 3 more points in 3 more games I'm not sure what there is to cry about here.

Trading/losing Lucic not only allowed the Bruins to sign Beleskey but also netted 2 first rounders ,C.Miller( which one could argue was worth it all on it's own) and Kuraly. I make this move every single time without even thinking about it.

 

[CDJ]

Well Lucic should be doing more , shouldn't he ? He's getting paid more so that would only make sense. When you consider this is a contract year for Lucic, let's just say I expected more. When we consider that Lucic makes 37% more and has a mere 3 more points in 3 more games I'm not sure what there is to cry about here.

Trading/losing Lucic not only allowed the Bruins to sign Beleskey but also netted 2 first rounders ,C.Miller( which one could argue was worth it all on it's own) and Kuraly. I make this move every single time without even thinking about it.

I do Miller for Lucic straight up at this point without thinking about it.

 

[SoldiersOfFilth]

The Lucic trade really is a steal. 2 firsts, an absolute stud D, and 2 more prospects for a single year of Lucic? I'd make the trade for half of that.

 

[DaStinger]

I take Chris Kelly @ 3M over Matt Beleskey @ 3.8M any day of the week.

 

[BB88]

I take Chris Kelly @ 3M over Matt Beleskey @ 3.8M any day of the week.

Chris Kelly is 35y.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Lucic 21gp 6g 6a 12pts +8 18pim 1pp 3gw 26 shots

Beleskey 18gp 2g 7a 9pts -1 15pim 25 shots

You call that near identical seasons and yet you call my perception wrong... I'll take the extra 4 goals and PP and GWing goals any day of the week over Beleskey's 2 and zero's...

Honestly, that stat sheet is not dramatically different.

The point is we would have lost Lucic for nothing this coming offseason. Some other team is going to give him a ridiculous offer (actually, multiple teams will probably do that) and we would have lost him for nothing. Especially in a year where we really weren't expected to compete for much, what is the benefit in that? Instead he was traded, we got a ton back, and saved money this season.

Unless you're still in love with mystique of Lucic, pretty much anyone can understand that as an extremely good trade for the Bruins, value wise.