Movies: Marvel Cinematic Universe Discussion - Part 4

[Howe Elbows 9]

No Way Home

Shang Chi
Multiverse of Madness
Wakanda Forever
Love and Thunder
Black Widow
Eternals

No Way Home is the only one in my MCU Top 10. The rest fall in that jumble mess in the middle that probably changes every time I rank them. With Hulk and Iron Man 3 always being at the bottom.

I agree with this post, with the exception of one detail. I think the Iron Man movie that belongs at the bottom of a list of MCU movies is Iron Man 2. I thought it was a mess and forgettable.

 

[Deadpool8812]

I agree with this post, with the exception of one detail. I think the Iron Man movie that belongs at the bottom of a list of MCU movies is Iron Man 2. I thought it was a mess and forgettable.

His list is just including movies from the recent phase

 

[Guardian17]

As expected, Universal's original deal with Marvel Entertainment has now ended. The Incredible Hulk was released on June 13, 2008 with the rights to that title held by the studio for an agreed-upon 15-year period.

As the trade explains, "in a notable shift, the rights have reverted to Marvel Studios, leading to the film’s release on Disney+."

HULK: Marvel Studios May Have Finally Regained The Rights To The Jade Giant's Solo Franchise From Universal

It appears The Incredible Hulk's arrival on Disney+ is also a sign that Marvel Studios has fully regained the theatrical distribution rights to the franchise, something which bodes well for World War Hulk.

comicbookmovie.com

 

[GabeTravels]

Been behind the last year or so but finally caught up on everything minus the two specials (Werewolf by Night and GOTG Holiday Special).

Phase 4 definitely wasn't the best, but there's still a lot of good there.


It's hard of course to rank them as some of these movies I haven't seen in quite a while (though I only started the MCU 2 1/2 years ago, so they're fresher than a lot of people).

I'd probably put my list as something like:

1. Avengers: Infinity War
2. Avengers: Endgame
3. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
4. Thor: Ragnarok
5. Loki
6. Guardians of the Galaxy
7. Black Panther
8. Captain America: The First Avenger
9. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
10. Iron Man
11. Spiderman: No Way Home
12. The Avengers
13. Wandavision
14. Spiderman: Homecoming
15. Ms. Marvel
16. Captain America: Civil War
17. Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol. 2
18. Spiderman: Far From Home
19. Hawkeye
20. Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3
21. Doctor Strange
22. Moon Knight
23. What If...?
24. Captain Marvel
25. Thor: Love and Thunder
26. Ant-Man
27. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
28. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
29. She-Hulk: Attorney at Law
30. Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
31. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
32. Ant-Man and the Wasp
33. Thor
34. Avengers: Age of Ultron
35. Iron Man 3
36. Black Widow
37. Iron Man 2
38. The Incredible Hulk
39. Thor: The Dark World
40. Eternals

This was just a real quick, gut feeling rank. I'm sure if I sat and thought on these there'd be some changes...but the general place in the list wouldn't likely change much. I feel pretty good about my Top 10/Bottom 10 though.

 

[NyQuil]

Marvel Not Even Bothering To Replace Green Screens With CGI Anymore

www.theonion.com

 

[beowulf]

So it is almost official, the next Avengers movies, Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars would be a sort of soft reboot allowing them to bring back certain characters with new actors etc while sending off the FOX verse of movies and some of the original MCU characters. Sort of doing what the Secret Wars comics did in that medium. This could include Jackman playing Wolverine in Secret Wars before it changing over to a new actor.

 

[Jumptheshark]

So it is almost official, the next Avengers movies, Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars would be a sort of soft reboot allowing them to bring back certain characters with new actors etc while sending off the FOX verse of movies and some of the original MCU characters. Sort of doing what the Secret Wars comics did in that medium. This could include Jackman playing Wolverine in Secret Wars before it changing over to a new actor.

yeah--that news was suggested a few weeks ago but looks to be official. Many of the guys who help build the universe have left to other projects and the new guys are not up to snuff

 

[tarheelhockey]

I didn't see a thread on Ms. Marvel but finally got around to watching it after realizing that it will form the background of a new film.

Having heard almost nothing about it beforehand, I was really surprised at the quality. In particular the visual storytelling is creative and engaging. It's been nominated for an Emmy in film editing which is well deserved.

Iman Vellani is hand-in-glove perfect for the Kamala Khan role, and I would never have thought that this was her first acting gig. Looking into it, it turns out she was born in Karachi... was a huge Marvel fan growing up, and first discovered Ms. Marvel in an Iron Man comic... ended up dressing as Ms Marvel for Halloween one year... only found out about the casting call because her aunt forwarded her a scammy-looking email chain... during her Zoom audition the producers noticed her room was covered in Marvel posters and merch... all of a sudden it becomes evident that the show is effectively a fantasy spin on her actual life. She's playing a fantasy version of herself in the show. It's just such a perfect piece of casting, truly the one-in-a-million right person auditioning at the right moment.

 

[NyQuil]

Looking into it, it turns out she was born in Karachi... was a huge Marvel fan growing up

She moved to Canada at the age of one.

Toronto once again standing in for the New York metropolitan area.

 

[Primary Assist]

I didn't see a thread on Ms. Marvel but finally got around to watching it after realizing that it will form the background of a new film.

Having heard almost nothing about it beforehand, I was really surprised at the quality. In particular the visual storytelling is creative and engaging. It's been nominated for an Emmy in film editing which is well deserved.

Iman Vellani is hand-in-glove perfect for the Kamala Khan role, and I would never have thought that this was her first acting gig. Looking into it, it turns out she was born in Karachi... was a huge Marvel fan growing up, and first discovered Ms. Marvel in an Iron Man comic... ended up dressing as Ms Marvel for Halloween one year... only found out about the casting call because her aunt forwarded her a scammy-looking email chain... during her Zoom audition the producers noticed her room was covered in Marvel posters and merch... all of a sudden it becomes evident that the show is effectively a fantasy spin on her actual life. She's playing a fantasy version of herself in the show. It's just such a perfect piece of casting, truly the one-in-a-million right person auditioning at the right moment.

When the actor has an equally as compelling origin story as the character, I love it

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

Still not super confident with it, but now that I've rewatched a handful, I think it's starting to take shape. Maybe Black Panther should still be first, it's probably the most "relevant" of these, but the Netflix shows are just better written and better told than pretty much everything MCU (and overall more fun). The first season of Jessica Jones should be the real #1, the rest of the show just didn't match it though.

The other Netflix shows, Luke Cage and the Defenders, would probably fall between 20 and 30. Iron Fist I don't remember much of, except that every side characters were more interesting than the main one. It would probably fall somewhere to the bottom of the list. Didn't rank What If? Becauce I really didn't care for it, and haven't seen the last Ant-Man.

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I got through the WHOLE Agents of SHIELD.

If you ever think of doing it, brace yourself, that's freaking long. There's missing a few of the more recent stuff in this old ranking of mine, but I'd say that overall, AoS would fall down to something like mid-30s on this. In fact, the show should really be split in two:
- Seasons 1 to 4 are pretty decent. Not great TV by any means, but very catchy, and often pretty fun. I'd probably have them high 20s.
- Seasons 5 to 7 are horrendous, and always going downhill. The last one is pretty much unwatchable. The show was never original to begin with (and the borrowings from lots of better material might be a turn off), but it becomes self-reflexive in the worst possible ways, just the worst kind of dumb. The last 2 seasons I'd rank at the very bottom of anything Marvel, worst than She-Hulk (another self-reflexive turd) and Iron Fist.

In fact, ranking the seasons, I'd go:

Season 2
Season 4
-
Season 1
Season 3 (it would be third, but the first half feels real cheap)
-
-
Season 5
-
-
Season 6
-
Season 7

 

[Jumptheshark]

How Marvel’s Inhumans Became a Radioactive Property in the MCU (Exclusive Book Excerpt)

The book "MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios" details why Inhumans were ignored by movies after failed TV series.

tvline.com

the book could make for an interesting read

 

[Emperoreddy]

Sounds like there are issues high up in Marvel on where things should go.

They not only want to dump Majors because of his personal issues, but want to dump Kang as well because Ant-Man did poorly and replace him with Dr. Doom as the big bad of the next slate of movies.

Which apparently is going to be an issue because of where Loki leaves things.

Also want to bring the OG Avengers back, including bring RDJ Tony Stark and Scarjo Black Widow back from the dead.

 

[beowulf]

Sounds like there are issues high up in Marvel on where things should go.

They not only want to dump Majors because of his personal issues, but want to dump Kang as well because Ant-Man did poorly and replace him with Dr. Doom as the big bad of the next slate of movies.

Which apparently is going to be an issue because of where Loki leaves things.

Also want to bring the OG Avengers back, including bring RDJ Tony Stark and Scarjo Black Widow back from the dead.

Everyone that knows comics knows that nobody really ever dies.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Would be such a sellout move to bring those two back. Make something new for f***'s sake

 

[BertCorbeau]

Sounds like there are issues high up in Marvel on where things should go.

They not only want to dump Majors because of his personal issues, but want to dump Kang as well because Ant-Man did poorly and replace him with Dr. Doom as the big bad of the next slate of movies.

Which apparently is going to be an issue because of where Loki leaves things.

Also want to bring the OG Avengers back, including bring RDJ Tony Stark and Scarjo Black Widow back from the dead.

I thought they dismissed the idea of dumping Kang for Dr Doom already? And I heard they were considering this after Quantumania flopped before Majors' legal troubles.

Re-casting Majors would be a much better pathway.

I suspected we would see some variant of the OG Avengers in Secret Wars, but I hope they don't retcon everything .. it would be a terrible decision

 

[StreetHawk]

I thought they dismissed the idea of dumping Kang for Dr Doom already? And I heard they were considering this after Quantumania flopped before Majors' legal troubles.

Re-casting Majors would be a much better pathway.

I suspected we would see some variant of the OG Avengers in Secret Wars, but I hope they don't retcon everything .. it would be a terrible decision

Honestly, the Avengers should close up after what they have planned. Focus on Xmen, afterwards, as that gives them time to re-cast and enough time to have separatation from RDJ, Evans, Hemmy, etc.

Like the Batman series. Keaton and co, then a big gap to Bale. Need that gap.

 

[beowulf]

Honestly, the Avengers should close up after what they have planned. Focus on Xmen, afterwards, as that gives them time to re-cast and enough time to have separatation from RDJ, Evans, Hemmy, etc.

Like the Batman series. Keaton and co, then a big gap to Bale. Need that gap.

I think that is the general plan but I guess we shall see.

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

I thought they dismissed the idea of dumping Kang for Dr Doom already?

I think the poster is reacting to some click-bait social media posting, I've got them all in my Facebook feed too. Just crap to generate clicks and interactions.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I think the poster is reacting to some click-bait social media posting, I've got them all in my Facebook feed too. Just crap to generate clicks and interactions.

The actor is in deep shit and may be "unavailable" for 5 to 10 years next year. The youtube channel emergancy awesome posted a video about Doom playing a bigger roel

 

[RandV]

I think the poster is reacting to some click-bait social media posting, I've got them all in my Facebook feed too. Just crap to generate clicks and interactions.

At most you probably have some execs getting cold feet and wanting to go back to what they see as safe, but who knows how much influence that would actually have.

 

[#37]

Just recast Kang. The character portrayal is more important than the actor.

It's worked before...

 

[BertCorbeau]

Just recast Kang. The character portrayal is more important than the actor.

It's worked before...

But also a more recent example is Don Cheadle becoming War Machine

Hell the MCU has established variants don’t always look the same… look at No Way Home

 

[Puck]

Someone isn't happy

In Marvel we no longer trust

The movies used to be a good time.

www.theverge.com

 

[x Tame Impala]

They should take some time off and separate themselves from Phases 1-4. They’re not going to replicate the charm and originality of that, now there’s just a bunch of bloated nostalgia.

They should completely revamp Xmen, F4, and Dr. Doom. It’s their only hope and the Sony X1/X2 films were so great I’m not sure they can pull it off.

Make it their own, give it some soul instead of this hollow content they’ve been pushing out for 4 years now. The MCU was so cool originally because it brought all these amazing characters and stories from the comics to the big screen. It was captivating and it felt like everyone involved was making these movies with a purpose.

I think they handcuff themselves by trying to connect every movie and character with every other character and movie. Make movies that stand alone as “must see”. Now it feels like the hook to all these new shows and movies is “you gotta see this mid content because it’s probably going to tie into Secret Wars”. They’re just a copycat of what worked with the Infinity War saga and it misses the point.