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Fire Sather said:
I can understand some of the complaints, but with our situation, the goalie getting older.. its not the time to stockpile draft picks. Thats why I have no problem getting rid of the picks. Callahan is a non factor for me.
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This organization has a unique way of filling in the bolded with anything thats going on at the moment and using it as a crutch to go for it now.
 
pld459666 said:
do not disagree.

but I feel that in certain spote where opposing goalies make big saves in big moments, Hank can sometimes let you down in similar situations.

That could also very well be a product of me thinking so highly of him that any goal he gives up is magnified.
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I hear you. But yeah; I think as a fanbase we are spoiled and expect Lundqvist to stop everything. He's human. He's going to let goals in. But men lie, women lie - numbers don't. The guy has been the best goalie in the league since 05-06.
 
Trxjw said:
No, we don't know his impact in the locker room, but that doesn't mean you can dismiss it either. When the team struggles, fans pound the "lack of leadership" drum until their hands bleed, but when it comes to trade value, it's virtually meaningless? Not buying it.

The team also faced a significant number of teams post trade deadline who were well on their way to missing the playoffs. Of the 20 games the Rangers played, the 13 of them were against teams who missed the cut. A few of them finishing the season well below .500. So, once again, "the numbers" -- and "reality" apparently -- can be spun to suit just about whatever argument you want to make.

No, Callahan has never been a prolific playoff performer. At least not on the scoresheet. But he was a more potent performer in the 20 regular season games with Tampa than MSL was in his 20 games with New York. So how can one say with any certainty that Callahan would not have had a similar impact on the offensive success of the Rangers during that same span? Again, it's all subjective.

The argument could never, and would never, stay within the context you specified. Trades aren't examined in that sort of vacuum, nor should they be. Whether people want to admit it or not, the success of that trade is going to be determined by the success of the Rangers. The deal was made to increase their odds of winning a cup. So that's the measure for me. That's my position, but as per usual, I'm certain that will be construed by many as me hoping for the team to fail.
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Exactly. Just looking at the draft picks the Rangers gave up for a 38 year old (albeit one who still has "it"), plus the mindset of the person running this team makes the trade straight forward--win a Stanley Cup, if not this year, then next year. Obviously, there are other decisions to be made, but the outline is clear.
 
eBoge88 said:
I hear you. But yeah; I think as a fanbase we are spoiled and expect Lundqvist to stop everything. He's human. He's going to let goals in. But men lie, women lie - numbers don't. The guy has been the best goalie in the league since 05-06.
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Numbers deceive quite often.
 
I'll sum up my MSL perspective this way:

- I never had high hopes for the Rangers through the first half of the season. I figured we would probably make the playoffs and get bounced in the first round, but there was also a really good chance we wouldn't make it at all. After the Olympic break, confidence fell even further, especially after the loss to philly.

- Reality: I was thrilled and frankly could not believe the news when I heard on Boomer and idiot that there was a deal in play for MSL. I would rather have given up less (picks) to get him, but at the time of the trade I was (very) happy to get him even though I was aware there were issues with his age and all.

- I was only slightly concerned when he didn't light it up right away.

- As MSL's time in NY has gone on my mind set has changed from my early season skepticism. I AM STARTING TO BELIEVE. This guy is awesome to watch. He carries himself like a real winner> Like a guy who knows what it takes. I'm starting to think it's possible. Have not felt like this in a looooong time. I can't put my finger on EXACTLY why. It's "intangible".

I don't know what we will do ultimately (who does?), but right now I feel like "anything is possible". and MSL is the primary reason for that. The catalyst.

I'm having fun being a Ranger fan again. So, yeah, it was worth it.

Enjoy the games everyone!
 
Blueshirt Special said:
I'll sum up my MSL perspective this way:

- I never had high hopes for the Rangers through the first half of the season. I figured we would probably make the playoffs and get bounced in the first round, but there was also a really good chance we wouldn't make it at all. After the Olympic break, confidence fell even further, especially after the loss to philly.

- Reality: I was thrilled and frankly could not believe the news when I heard on Boomer and idiot that there was a deal in play for MSL. I would rather have given up less (picks) to get him, but at the time of the trade I was (very) happy to get him even though I was aware there were issues with his age and all.

- I was only slightly concerned when he didn't light it up right away.

- As MSL's time in NY has gone on my mind set has changed from my early season skepticism. I AM STARTING TO BELIEVE. This guy is awesome to watch. He carries himself like a real winner> Like a guy who knows what it takes. I'm starting to think it's possible. Have not felt like this in a looooong time. I can't put my finger on EXACTLY why. It's "intangible".

I don't know what we will do ultimately (who does?), but right now I feel like "anything is possible". and MSL is the primary reason for that. The catalyst.

I'm having fun being a Ranger fan again. So, yeah, it was worth it.

Enjoy the games everyone!
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Primary reason, sure. But is he the sole reason?
 
I think what he's trying to say is that with a player that actually plays like MSL (unlike Nash who hasn't lived up to the billing) anything is possible with a good goaltender.
 
On the business side of hockey we can Pooh Pooh dolan all we want, but his franchise is likely up there in value, and to any owner, that is up there in priorities. Make no mistake, dolan wants to win. Sather too wants to win, as do many other franchises who haven't won a cup in the last ten years. Our distaste for dolan goes into just seeing him and Looking like a kid living his dream but sucks at it because He isn't knowledgeable enough, and it irks us to see a spoiled brat. Truth is, if we had the money and a chance, we too may meddle and suck at it and throw away tons of money trying to get it right. Again, I think most want to win, but at times you also want a consistently competitive team that works hard and Hope for a break. If you look at this team and think if most guys play their best they can't beat others? From Henke to what Richards and Nash and St. Louis should provide? it really isn't a bad team and let's Hope for the best. It's the team that's lacing up tonight.

Yes true blue, decided to pop in. Still don't watch enough to say much. Get home after 8:30/9 pretty much Every night the last many years, well including when I posted often. Trying to get back into other.
 
At this point the biggest reason I want to see the Rangers win the cup is to see what kind of reasons True Blue would come up for how terrible the team is.
 
Brooklyn Ranger said:
Exactly. Just looking at the draft picks the Rangers gave up for a 38 year old (albeit one who still has "it"), plus the mindset of the person running this team makes the trade straight forward--win a Stanley Cup, if not this year, then next year. Obviously, there are other decisions to be made, but the outline is clear.
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If you were made boss today and you could give up Marty right now before our very next game for the #21 pick in the upcoming draft would you?
 
NickyFotiu said:
If you were made boss today and you could give up Marty right now before our very next game for the #21 pick in the upcoming draft would you?
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No absolutely not.

Then Again, the fair thing would be...would you trade him for Cally & the #21 pick.

it becomes a bit murkier then.
 
broadwayblue said:
Who has been a better goalie over the last 8 years?
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Over the last 8 years no one, but my point was that he said numbers don't lie and that's not true. Also his numbers in the playoffs are deceptive. He's way up and down. Ironically, he hasn't had the lows except game 6 but not one high and the lack of highs are bothering me. Though, it's a bit unfair to him because the style we play now he doesn't have to steal games as much.
 
Inferno said:
No absolutely not.

Then Again, the fair thing would be...would you trade him for Cally & the #21 pick.

it becomes a bit murkier then.
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No it doesn't. Cally wasn't getting resigned. Cally is not what should give anyone that understands the situation, pause.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
No it doesn't. Cally wasn't getting resigned. Cally is not what should give anyone that understands the situation, pause.
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yes...it is. You could have held cally and let him walk. So youd be in the playoffs right now (hypothetically) with cally AND your 2 draft picks. instead of being it in right now with MSL and NO draft picks.

The faulty logic there is that, I'm not convinced we beat the Flyers w/ Cally instead of MSL. MSL was really really good against the Flyers. Cally was invisible for the Bolts...hard to say how both series woulda gone if that trade hadn't happened.
 
theres a lot of moving parts and what ifs on this trade.

Again, knowing where we are now, and how well MSL has been in the playoffs, i *probably* do this trade. I think we did give up A LOT. But we got back a helluva player.

With that said...when the trade happened, i wasnt thrilled...again...we gave up a lot.

Ryan Callahan is a really really good player. A 7 mil a year player? no.

a 6 mil a year player?

no.


5 mil? Sign me up.
 
If/when Cally resigns in Tampa we get Tampas 2015 2nd round pick in exchange for our 2015 1st round pick. There is no way we should have resigned Cally.

So it is Marty a 1st, a 2nd and a 7th for Cally a 2nd. In my view that is basically Marty for a 1st and 7th unless we keep winning in the playoffs.
 
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