Try harderI feel like you could get Mitch with 2 ATVs, a boat, some jet skis, and free lululemon for life. Golf membership. Oakleys negotiable.
How many players does St. Louis have from those trades?It will be interesting to see how Marner and Matthews do under Berube.
As a Blues fan, I tend to get excited when the TML's start making trades or giving up on players. I learned to hate the TML's while growing up watching the old Norris Division clashes.....man that was the epic "Black and Blue" division.
Anyone remember that Tampa was in the Division their first season? That was a little weird.
When you look at the last 20 years of trades between the Blues and TML's
The Leaf's have given up: Steen, Cola, Gunnarson, Jokinen, Abramov, Gaudette, 2023 1st, 2023 3rd, 2024, 2nd, 2008 3rd, Borgman, and Soshkanov
They have received: Lee Stempniak, ROR, Accari, Kyle Clifford, Jamel Mayers, Roman Polak, Johnny Pohl, Schmaltz, J Lindstrom, a 4th 2019 and 6th in 2016
Toronto has one player left in their organization as a result of these trades, Nik Abruzzese.....thats it.
The player, they received in trades from St. Louis, that was the most productive for Toronto, Roman Polak, brought back a nice haul from San Jose, and Toronto used those picks to trade for F. Anderson and S Durzi.....and Toronto quickly traded Durzi.....
Its one cluster freak after another with Toronto.
Nylander signed before Matthews and Marner.As as hockey fan, I like players who leave a little on the table for the team because they want to win. What I don't respect is players who go after max deals and put hand cuffs on the GM for trying to ice a complete roster that has a chance to win.
$10M or $12M for 8 years. $80M vs $96M. I chuckle when they talk about missing out on $16M but they got $80M. And that's not including what he got on the current deal.
Nylander was extremely underpaid because Tavares, Matthews, Marner got their money first. Is it Marner's turn to take the Nylander underpaid treatment? I'm curious to see how much Marner wants to stay with the Leafs and bring that cup back.
People know Marner is good, the problem is Matthews is better and Nylander is just as good, and we've paid big players WAY too much money which affects our ability to develop a deep roster. Leafs fans are done with the idea of 3 players making $10+ million per year, and we know Marner is going to ask for an increase. We need to use the money to fill the gaps we currently have.
$100m/8y=$12.5m AAV
Unfortunately I think this is exactly what Toronto re signs him for.
They let him walk to UFA. I don't want him back at what he will command AAV.Mmmm, this is a very murky situation for the Leafs.
They really can't afford to loose Marner for nothing but they surely won't trade him at the deadline, if the Leafs are in the playoffs (and they'll be).
I'm not sure Marner wants to stay in Toronto long term.
He's a local boy and has been a whipping boy too for their repeated playoffs lack of success.
He seemed to just push further what seem to be a inevitable divorce last summer.
Which might be good for himself, but not so for the team, he has put them in a precarious situation..
Toronto is almost a contender if they spent money from Marner and Tavares towards depth that shows up in the playoffs. They make the playoffs every year, they can easily make the playoffs. But contender? It’s hard with their contract structure if their stars don’t perform well in the playoffs. I don’t see how re-signing Marner would solve anything.Maybe he wants a Stanley Cup?
If so, he could take a sweetheart deal and move on to a contender.
That would be ideal.Maybe he wants a Stanley Cup?
If so, he could take a sweetheart deal and move on to a contender.
Tavares isn't a problem. I'd love to keep him around on a very low AAV deal. The guy gave up the C.......clearly cares about the team.Toronto is almost a contender if they spent money from Marner and Tavares towards depth that shows up in the playoffs. They make the playoffs every year, they can easily make the playoffs. But contender? It’s hard with their contract structure if their stars don’t perform well in the playoffs. I don’t see how re-signing Marner would solve anything.
I agree his contract isn't as deleterious as Marner's contract but you cannot deny JT doesn't really live up to his contract at his age, and that's to be expected. When he gets re-signed at a much lower AAV that'll free up money for depth which can put Leafs over the edge in the PO's imo.That would be ideal.
Jeez, I can't remember ever wanting to see a "star" player on my favoured team go somewhere else.
I guess I've become a Marner "hater"? Weird, never been that type of fan or poster on here. I just really don't have a good gut feeling about his next contract, and his style of play and how that impacts the entire game style, and doubling down on what isn't working.
Tavares isn't a problem. I'd love to keep him around on a very low AAV deal. The guy gave up the C.......clearly cares about the team.
No he doesn't live up to his current contract.I agree his contract isn't as deleterious as Marner's contract but you cannot deny JT doesn't really live up to his contract at his age, and that's to be expected. When he gets re-signed at a much lower AAV that'll free up money for depth which can put Leafs over the edge in the PO's imo.
But for Marner, I don't think it's a case of 'one day he'll get it'. I just believe this player will never genuinely be an effective player in the playoffs, there's nothing for him to learn or he'd learn it by now. I think he's just a flawed player but an additional 8 mil player and 3 mil player and no Marner would help more to win the cup I bet. Just my 2cents
8* 11.5 million.
This implies a sign and trade or the Leafs re-signing him.8* 11.5 million.
Maybe he wants a Stanley Cup?
If so, he could take a sweetheart deal and move on to a contender.
I dont think marner is going anywhere, he is staying in toronto for life, but if he goes to UFA he gets 12.5+ for 7 years easily.This implies a sign and trade or the Leafs re-signing him.
I think it would be way more interesting to discuss UFA Marner and who would want him and how he would help that team, and who would be willing to give him the money he's after which I predict is $13m per.
Maybe Marner turns out like Kessel.I've never seen a player appear less driven by the pursuit of a Cup. With guys like MacKinnon and McDavid, you can feel their competitiveness and their disappointment when they fall short. You can see them react emotionally on the ice at times. Marner, on the other hand, seems perfectly content with first-round exits, year after year. After the last playoffs, despite 7 out of 8 first-round eliminations, he scoffed at expectations and told reporters that the Stanley Cup is the hardest trophy to win for a reason and that it's a war on the ice.
The problem is, Marner doesn’t engage in that war. He watches from 40 feet away while his teammates are outnumbered in scrums. He won’t chase a puck into the corner, even when he’s 10 feet closer than the nearest opponent, because he’s afraid of getting hit. He rarely goes to the front of the net, and when he does, he dives from the lightest crosscheck and complains to the ref about non-calls. He covers his face with his glove when he thinks a point shot might be coming. And this is just the 1st round!
I agree with Marner—playoff hockey is a war. It’s brutal. But he’s not willing to sacrifice like other NHL players, and that puts him at a huge disadvantage and his team too. Not to mention, he’s in the bottom 50% in both speed and shot power per NHL.com and definitely in the bottom half when it comes to strength. It just seems like a combination that is very unlikely to result in a championship at 13% cap space. Also, im curious to see how he would do without all the offensive support that he has (ie Matthews or prime Tavares in 2018).
You summed it up. And I wish that was the discussion being had in here.Everyone will say he’s not worth it because everybody hates the leafs. I hope we don’t sign him for 12 or 13 but if he hits free agency he will 100% get that. He’s one of the best 2 way forwards in the league if he didn’t play for Toronto he’d be a league favourite
Kessel is a god.............. well once he left the Leafs.Maybe Marner turns out like Kessel.
Kessel was plagued with attitude and work-ethics problems for years. Mocked for hot dogs, lack-luster performances, considered a "Kesselitis" infecting the Leafs as a whole.
He moves on and lands on a contender where his complementary talents mesh well with the superior players like Crosby, Malkin and others...and he thrives for years as an underling...winning 3 Stanley Cups in the last years of his career.
Not really, he's objectively not worth it when you factor in his playoff stats.Everyone will say he’s not worth it because everybody hates the leafs. I hope we don’t sign him for 12 or 13 but if he hits free agency he will 100% get that. He’s one of the best 2 way forwards in the league if he didn’t play for Toronto he’d be a league favourite
Difference is that Kessel had no help. Marner has 3 amazing offensive weapons and did nothing with them. But I do agree, if he goes on a team where he can be a clear 3rd wheel like Kessel, he could do what he did (maybe). The other difference is that Kessel didn't have 8 years of playoff failure when he left Toronto.Maybe Marner turns out like Kessel.
Kessel was plagued with attitude and work-ethics problems for years. Mocked for hot dogs, lack-luster performances, considered a "Kesselitis" infecting the Leafs as a whole.
He moves on and lands on a contender where his complementary talents mesh well with the superior players like Crosby, Malkin and others...and he thrives for years as an underling...winning 3 Stanley Cups in the last years of his career.