Player Discussion Marner

[sena]

Yup... its the reaction. If not for the reaction, people would just ignore his stats. Note this was posted before the Bruins 2024 series. So it only got worse:

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in 21-22 he scored 2 goals and 6 assists in 7 games
in 22-23 he scored 3 goals and had 11 assists in 11 games . those numbers you posted make no sense
As far as shots close to the net you would have to watch the games and see if he is not being passed the puck or if there are other reasons

The real question is why on earth the Leafs cant win one game without Marner doing it for them. expecting 2 or 3 points per game every game is not rational or possible

 

[thewave]

Unsurprisingly, hate-based media tends not to be as effective when the team is winning multiple cups.

You did it Dekes! You jumped the shark haha.

When you have no way to argue the key points and facts Marners detractors bring to the table.

Rely on good old hate. It doesn't matter if it's not true, or if it's the result of skewed vision, it's gotta be 100% pure hate. We got so much hate here, cripes we have a hate machine bottling Marner hate for all Leafs nation. Did you have your bottle of hate today? I only ask because there are surely more Marner hate facts coming to this thread today.

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[sena]

You did it Dekes! You jumped the shark haha.

When you have no way to argue the key points and facts Marners detractors bring to the table.

Rely on good old hate. It doesn't matter if it's not true, or if it's the result of skewed vision, it's gotta be 100% pure hate. We got so much hate here, cripes we have a hate machine bottling Marner hate for all Leafs nation. Did you have your bottle of hate today? I only ask because there are surely more Marner hate facts coming to this thread today.

This message has been brought to you by the coalition of lizard people and the flat earth society. All hail Tartaria.

 

[Dekes For Days]

As far as shots close to the net you would have to watch the games and see if he is not being passed the puck or if there are other reasons

When you have no way to argue the key points and facts Marners detractors bring to the table.

Oh, he's already had the average shot distance stuff explained to him. Multiple times. He just ignores it and continues reposting it with statements he knows are wrong.
Because it's not about being correct. It's about finding anything to blast Marner.

There are a couple causes. For one, over the past two years in the regular season, 0.28% of Marner's shots have been a result of dump-ins from center ice. Over the past two years in the playoffs, dump-ins hitting the net represent 4.44% of Marner's shots. This skews the average, but really has nothing to do with his in-zone play.

Beyond that, blueline shots represent 20% of Marner's shots in the playoffs, and 16.4% of his shots in the regular season. This represents a difference of Marner taking an extra 1.6 point shots in the playoffs over the past 2 years, which is not only insignificant, but easily explainable. Why would Marner take slightly more blueline shots in the playoffs over the past 2 years?

1. The team averages 61% more time with the goalie pulled in the playoffs, where Marner generally replaces the defender.

2. We purposefully shot more from the point as a strategy to exploit Vasilevsky's weakness:
"Rob Gherson posted a fantastic thread on Twitter Tuesday evening breaking down some fundamentals as to why Vasilevskiy has struggled on these point shots."
"the main point he makes is how upright Vasilevskiy is in his stance when pucks are being shot from a distance. Essentially, this means that he isn’t set at the time the shot is taken, and takes a split second longer to get his body into position."
"Gherson coined the term ‘panic flopping’, suggesting it also affects Vasilevskiy’s ability to track the puck with his arms due to how quickly he has to react. That also makes it tougher to react to deflections, an area he has again been beaten on plenty in this series."
""We did a study back in the day, he was one of the lower percentage goalies in finding pucks from the point,” Lalonde explained."

3. The pucks were going in. His shooting percentage from the blueline in the playoffs over the past 2 years is 33.3%.

Which means people are literally here complaining about Marner scoring goals in the playoffs. Really shows how silly the whole thing is.

 

[Evilhomer]

What a bizarre thread this has become. It will be interesting to see if it continues after the Leafs resign Marner.

 

[ACC1224]

What a bizarre thread this has become. It will be interesting to see if it continues after the Leafs resign Marner.

Of course it will continue, for some it’s a lifestyle choice.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Of course it will continue, for some it’s a lifestyle choice.

Not sure I'd put it quite that way, weird choice of words. But yes, it seems like no matter how badly he chokes in the playoffs, the same people will start chirping early in the season about how super crazy elite this "engine of the team" is.

I'm hoping Marner becomes a playoff beast next spring and everyone will be happy. I don't think the chances of this happening are very good, but I guess you never know.

 

[Mess]

Marner currently sits disappointingly tied for #271 among goal scorers after 9-12 games by teams. Another slow start for Marner and hopefully we will see him start contributing to potting some goals .

He wants more money than Nylander new deal, but Willy is off to a red hot start with 8 goals in 11 games tied for 6th overall in the league as he attempts to validate his new deal. Nylander his own teammate the best comparable for Marner to use as leverage to his next deal.

 

[Nineteen67]

Not sure I'd put it quite that way, weird choice of words. But yes, it seems like no matter how badly he chokes in the playoffs, the same people will start chirping early in the season about how super crazy elite this "engine of the team" is.

I'm hoping Marner becomes a playoff beast next spring and everyone will be happy. I don't think the chances of this happening are very good, but I guess you never know.

If they make the playoffs and he doesn’t man up this year and he’s re-signed he’ll hear it.

Tkachuk said that they ( many others as well) try to eliminate players from a series as it goes along, and that appears to be what happens to Marner and Matthews.

I thought last year was his last chance, but it wasn’t, so the best case scenario is for those two to bow up, take no BS and fight back. If they do that they’ll be loved whether they win or lose.

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Marner currently sits disappointingly tied for #271 among goal scorers after 9-12 games by teams. Another slow start for Marner and hopefully we will see him start contributing to potting some goals .

He wants more money than Nylander new deal, but Willy is off to a red hot start with 8 goals in 11 games tied for 6th overall in the league as he attempts to validate his new deal. Nylander his own teammate the best comparable for Marner to use as leverage to his next deal.

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They have the same number of points. I knew he was playing well but I didn’t realize he was that effective. It helps that Knies is banging in rebounds

 

[stickty111]

in 21-22 he scored 2 goals and 6 assists in 7 games
in 22-23 he scored 3 goals and had 11 assists in 11 games . those numbers you posted make no sense
As far as shots close to the net you would have to watch the games and see if he is not being passed the puck or if there are other reasons

The real question is why on earth the Leafs cant win one game without Marner doing it for them. expecting 2 or 3 points per game every game is not rational or possible

How many of those points did he get earlier in the series? How many later in the series?

Looking at points to show he played well in the playoffs is flawed.

 

[Dekes For Days]

How many of those points did he get earlier in the series? How many later in the series?
Looking at points to show he played well in the playoffs is flawed.

Looking at just points in the playoffs to show how somebody played is indeed flawed, but not as flawed as looking at just points in certain arbitrary games in the playoffs to show how somebody played.