Player Discussion Marner

[Confucius]

You're right Marner is extremely consistent only in a negative way.

Leafs have 4 regulation losses this year and Marner is 0-0-0 points and -8 +/- combined. Can't get more consistent than that.

Think of it this way IF Marner sat in the pressbox during those same games his offensive contribution would be identical "NOTHING" to actually playing except he wouldn't be a -8 =/- but rather a Zero +/-.

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So this team lives or dies on Marner’s stick. If the opposition can hold him off the scoreboard we lose.

 

[Racer88]

I don't see what else it could possibly be. International hockey was so awesome in the 70's/80's but boy is it ever boring now. Even the Olympics doesn't compare to what it was like back in the day but this 4 nations thing ... I just can't imagine players care much about this, and it wouldn't surprise me if being picked to play was a disappointment for most of them.

Ya, to me it just seems gimmicky

 

[arso40]

So this team lives or dies on Marner’s stick. If the opposition can hold him off the scoreboard we lose.

The -8 I think is the key point they’re giving up goals and not scoring we need them to be a plus line for sure though

 

[leafs in five]

3 empty net goals allowed so far this year I think? surely he was on the ice for all of those. as long as we are committed to looking under the hood of stats.

 

[thewave]

Ya, to me it just seems gimmicky

Ya everyone knows international sport is fueled on rivalries generated by past regional wars. We just need some of those to make international team sports great again.

/s

Who cares if Marner is on some gimmicky team. He is slow though so I imagine he will be a later pick.

As far as his new contract goes. If they give him an NMC and overpay, the organization should be seen as blowing its collective brains out.

 

[francis246]

Could be, I really don't know. Those junior teams though, they were playing to be world champions. This tournament seems pretty meaningless to me so ... I think someone was saying something the other day about some players hoping not to be picked, no idea if there's anything to that or not (and unlikely they'd say anything publicly so we'll probably never know for sure).

Most players also have no interest in the world championships once they're out of the playoffs, I just don't know.

Again world championships is completely different. It’s not best on best. This would be the first MEN’s best on best competition available to a lot of these guys born in the 90’s. MacKinnon cannot stop talking about it. He said he spent the summer talking to a bunch of the Canada guys and they were making lineups ect. Marner, McDavid, Crosby, Marchand, Makar ect. They all want to go. Matthews has been very vocal about it.

A lot of fans under estimate how important or how big of an honour representing your country on a big stage is for these guys. Whatever rumour you heard about players not wanting to go is contrary to what players have been saying. It’s the reason they are going back it’s been a huge topic in the CBA negotiations. The players were not going to agree to the next CBA without it.

 

[francis246]

Ya everyone knows international sport is fueled on rivalries generated by past regional wars. We just need some of those to make international team sports great again.

/s

Who cares if Marner is on some gimmicky team. He is slow though so I imagine he will be a later pick.

As far as his new contract goes. If they give him an NMC and overpay, the organization should be seen as blowing its collective brains out.

There is no later pick. It’s not a draft. Or early picks, mid picks, late picks. It’s just they do name a first 6 to create buzz and conversation around the event. Its a marketing thing. The rest of the team is named when rosters are released. People are reading way too much into the first 6 chosen or whatever it is.

 

[ACC1224]

Again world championships is completely different. It’s not best on best. This would be the first MEN’s best on best competition available to a lot of these guys born in the 90’s. MacKinnon cannot stop talking about it. He said he spent the summer talking to a bunch of the Canada guys and they were making lineups ect. Marner, McDavid, Crosby, Marchand, Makar ect. They all want to go. Matthews has been very vocal about it.

A lot of fans under estimate how important or how big of an honour representing your country on a big stage is for these guys. Whatever rumour you heard about players not wanting to go is contrary to what players have been saying. It’s the reason they are going back it’s been a huge topic in the CBA negotiations. The players were not going to agree to the next CBA without it.

People wouldn’t downplay the importance of Marner wasn’t involved.
This place is so transparent

 

[Dekes For Days]

You probably would have had better luck with this incorrect narrative that nobody has said if you hadn't started out by posting a quote from the agent contradicting it.

 

[Nineteen67]

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Mtl game he was probably leafs best player...

NYR the fact Kampf/Rielly completly missed their coverage + empty net goal, i don't think that make a bad game for this reason. Leafs had been the best team but unable to capitalize on their scoring chance...

STL The whole team was trash

CBS was more trash goaltending who was unable to stop a beach ball and struggling on every shot than anything else and player forfeit seing it...Its the only game who had been goaltending issue all year



Number of bad game Marner had is what maybe 2 game, name me someone else who had fewer bad game just for fun?

Consistent doesn't mean production but how they played, % of work, intensity, creating thing and whatever. When you just watch stats and anything else. You can finish a game with 2 pts but been completly trash most of the game and play a great game but finishing at 0 pts.

He’s been noticeably good and I thought the last game was his best game this year. Maybe the stats suggest different but my eyes saw lots of positive plays and that line continued to cave in the opposition.
Again I don’t know what the stats say, but I bet they out chance the opposition ~ 2:1 and if that continues Matthews will start scoring at his average rate.

 

[Nineteen67]

So this team lives or dies on Marner’s stick. If the opposition can hold him off the scoreboard we lose.

Actually, kinda. The way the roster is built he’s used as the catalyst that sparks Matthews.

 

[Dekes For Days]

If you could sign only ONE which one would it be, and which one would have more value to the team?

Thankfully, we don't need to have only one, but if we did, Marner is more valuable to the team and would be the choice, as the defensively responsible, all-situations one who takes on the tougher matchups and is producing better (just like every year of their careers).

 

[Gary Nylund]

A lot of fans under estimate how important or how big of an honour representing your country on a big stage is for these guys. Whatever rumour you heard about players not wanting to go is contrary to what players have been saying. It’s the reason they are going back it’s been a huge topic in the CBA negotiations. The players were not going to agree to the next CBA without it.

I find this hard to believe. Olympics sure, but this gimmicky nations thing? You have a source for this?

People wouldn’t downplay the importance of Marner wasn’t involved.
This place is so transparent

You actually think that absolutely everything revolves around Marner, wow talk about delusion.

I imagine you're have trouble with this concept but the simple truth is, the world doesn't revolve around Marner. Not everyone makes everything about Marner, it's just you.

 

[Arzak]

So this team lives or dies on Marner’s stick. If the opposition can hold him off the scoreboard we lose.

Teams and coaches be like, forget 70 goal scorer in Matthews, we need to focus on lil Mitch !!!

I wonder how you keep a non-scoring winger, playing on the line with the best goal-scorer in the league off the scoreboard. Oh wise one, you cracked the code. It's Mitch all day, twice in contract years !!!