Player Discussion Marner

[Dekes For Days]

It still clearly does.

Nothing has said that. Only you.

 

[arso40]

I guess you’re still putting together the plus/minus chart from last night

That wide open cage is pretty bad but he played a good game last game better than the rest of them

 

[Mr_Fun]

Yeah, not a good read with half the net showing; I won't argue that. He did hit a one timer earlier on so there's that.

Maybe a phantom assist on the 1st goal as the best I can see (on my phone) is he redirected a puck to AM. At very least though, it was a good read to see that AM had a lane to the net and he let him have the puck. He also found AM in the slot earlier for a sitter than AM uncharacteristically duffed.

Pretty good bounce back game for him as the two before that were hideous by any standard.

 

[Racer88]

Former Leafs Defenseman Blames Mitch Marner for Power Play Struggles​

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As Carlo Colaiacovo points out, however, with a wide-open cage, Swayman completely out of position, and the defender not in-line to block the shot, Marner opted to pass it off instead of putting the puck in the wide open cage. While he collected 3 assists in the game to give him a team-high 10 points on the year, it's situations like this that drive the city and its fan base nuts.

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With a struggling power play, simplification is of the utmost importance, but the Leafs seem more content with whipping passes around then firing shots towards the net. With the likes of Marner, Auston Matthews, William Nylander, John Tavares, and Morgan Rielly among others, it's unacceptable to have just 3 power play goals to start the year and 10 goals in their last 35 regular season contests, going back to February 27th.

Holy crap why didn’t he just shoot it into the open net. It’s stuff like that why he isn’t worth his contract let alone a bigger one

 

[leafs in five]

Reddit fan posted this from yesterdays powerplay - Marner electing to pass on this opportunity instead of shoot:

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you'll need to start including "points from the blueline" in your line combo points per 60 comparisons

 

[Dekes For Days]

Holy crap why didn’t he just shoot it into the open net.

Because it wasn't as simple as the misleading freeze frame makes it look.

 

[Gallagbi]

Because it wasn't as simple as the misleading freeze frame makes it look.

Looked worse live

 

[Nineteen67]

If this play continues he may want out and nobody will have to worry about him re-signing.

 

[leafs in five]

I mean he obviously should have shot it but it was good (imo) that he set up 2 goals* over the course of the rest of the game


*from the blueline

 

[Niagara Bill]

Because it wasn't as simple as the misleading freeze frame makes it look.

I mean he obviously should have shot it but it was good (imo) that he set up 2 goals* over the course of the rest of the game


*from the blueline

Marner is a talent, without a doubt and if this league did not have a salary cap everyone would want him on the Leafs, but we have a cap, and all fans know that we need Cale Makar type more than Marner type under our system. Even if he just walks, the 10m ìf handled right can enhance this team.

 

[Nineteen67]

Marner is a talent, without a doubt and if this league did not have a salary cap everyone would want him on the Leafs, but we have a cap, and all fans know that we need Cale Makar type more than Marner type under our system. Even if he just walks, the 10m ìf handled right can enhance this team.

Signing UFAs with the $10m would be fine if they were a contender and were filling in a couple of pieces. Where the Leafs are, they’d be wasting money and even worse, time.

The best option was to trade him for young assets.

 

[ACC1224]

Man this thread never fails to deliver. Still haven't figured out if people are serious with this stuff, pretty funny at any rate.

 

[Gallagbi]

Marner is a talent, without a doubt and if this league did not have a salary cap everyone would want him on the Leafs, but we have a cap, and all fans know that we need Cale Makar type more than Marner type under our system. Even if he just walks, the 10m ìf handled right can enhance this team.

Feels like there's 1 Makar type in the league and I think the Avs are going to keep him. There's some really great D, not sure you're getting any for Mitch at the moment, but Makar-type is pretty rare

 

[Ianturnedbull]

 

[Dekes For Days]

Looked worse live

Live, you can see that the goalie is already moving over, and that side of the net would not all be open.
Live, you can see that the defender is already moving over, and there's a good possibility that they would be able to block the shot (with a player exiting the box).
Live, you can see that they were trying for quick tic tac plays to create movement, which is very common on 5v3s.
Live, you can see that not shooting there results in the best goal scorer in the world getting a teed up unblocked slap shot from the faceoff circle two seconds later.

It's a decent shot opportunity, and maybe he should have shot, but one would think that after all of the times Boston, Tampa, etc. have burned us with the touch pass instead of a shot in a position like that, people would understand that shooting isn't the only option, especially on a 5 on 3. Players make hundreds of split second decisions every game, and we can post misleading freeze frames to criticize every single one we don't like, or dismiss beautiful primary assists creating goals because of the location of the passer (lol), but we all know that Marner was the best Leafs on the ice that night.

Marner is a talent, without a doubt and if this league did not have a salary cap everyone would want him on the Leafs, but we have a cap, and all fans know that we need Cale Makar type more than Marner type under our system.

Not only is that not true, but getting rid of Marner doesn't get you a Makar. It gets you overpaid mid-tier UFAs that provide less impact than Marner.

 

[ACC1224]

Looked worse live

If it looked worse live there would be extensive footage posted not a no context, meaningless still frame.
Everyone knows the silly games played here, we see them every day.

@Mess how's the latest plus/minus coming?

 

[leafs in five]

plus/minus from the blueline

 

[ACC1224]

plus/minus from the blueline

You could fill a book with all the dumb things posted.
Only player in history to pace out 100 points every year and none of the points have value.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Live, you can see that the goalie is already moving over, and that side of the net would not all be open.
Live, you can see that the defender is already moving over, and there's a good possibility that they would be able to block the shot (with a player exiting the box).
Live, you can see that they were trying for quick tic tac plays to create movement, which is very common on 5v3s.
Live, you can see that not shooting there results in the best goal scorer in the world getting a teed up unblocked slap shot from the faceoff circle two seconds later.

It's a decent shot opportunity, and maybe he should have shot, but one would think that after all of the times Boston, Tampa, etc. have burned us with the touch pass instead of a shot in a position like that, people would understand that shooting isn't the only option, especially on a 5 on 3. Players make hundreds of split second decisions every game, and we can post misleading freeze frames to criticize every single one we don't like, or dismiss beautiful primary assists creating goals because of the location of the passer (lol), but we all know that Marner was the best Leafs on the ice that night.

Not only is that not true, but getting rid of Marner doesn't get you a Makar. It gets you overpaid mid-tier UFAs that provide less impact than Marner.

What...you are going to pay Mitchy 12m minimum, that gets you a great dman, if one is available. I didn't say there is one. The system forces you into this situation. Since we have had 8 years to draft and develop that dman, and failed miserably at that, decisions must be made. We have more young talented cheaper forwards available to plug the big hole he leaves, but we cannot win without the Borque, Chara, Makar type. We are at a crossroads.
Maybe letting JT walk is another choice, but we need to have the dman or 1967 will become 70 years ago not 57 years and counting.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Signing UFAs with the $10m would be fine if they were a contender and were filling in a couple of pieces. Where the Leafs are, they’d be wasting money and even worse, time.

The best option was to trade him for young assets.

I get that young asset thing, but now we go from 57 years to 63 and Austin is past peak. Marner is a keeper unless you get a player who can be that big dman, dominate, 30 minutes per game. There are only a handful of players who can match Mitchy's skill. But at 14 or 15 per he hurts our 3rd and 4th lines where we have play Kampf, Reaves, Lorentz because that is what we can afford. Our drafting has hurt us, our development has hurt us.
The decision on where we head will be determined by $$$. At 10m, Mitchy is a steal, at 15m, he has to go. Where in between is the cut off.

 

[Antropovsky]

you'll need to start including "points from the blueline" in your line combo points per 60 comparisons

Short memory? Sportsnet is already tracking it. Two consecutive playoffs they have posted his distance from the net in the postseason. Heres the headline from last years:

Dont get too emotional when you read the quote below from the article..it does indicate Marner is a "wild outlier".

Thoughts after Toronto’s Game 3 loss: Go to the net, Mitch
When the Leafs lost in last year’s playoffs, I wrote about how their core players struggled to get in close to the net. But really, Marner was a wild outlier compared to the other three. These were their average shot distances (measured in feet from the net on average) in last year’s playoffs, compared to the regular season:

 

[Antropovsky]

You could fill a book with all the dumb things posted.
Only player in history to pace out 100 points every year and none of the points have value.

Only player in history to be a 100 point player every year but never have 100 points.

 

[ZEBROA]

Oh u found Leafs new mascot!

 

[ULF_55]

Signing UFAs with the $10m would be fine if they were a contender and were filling in a couple of pieces. Where the Leafs are, they’d be wasting money and even worse, time.

The best option was to trade him for young assets.

If you can sign a 28/29 year old 1st. pairing defender for $10mm for 6 years or 28 year old 1st. line RW for $12.5 for 4 years, what would you chose?

 

[Nineteen67]

I get that young asset thing, but now we go from 57 years to 63 and Austin is past peak. Marner is a keeper unless you get a player who can be that big dman, dominate, 30 minutes per game. There are only a handful of players who can match Mitchy's skill. But at 14 or 15 per he hurts our 3rd and 4th lines where we have play Kampf, Reaves, Lorentz because that is what we can afford. Our drafting has hurt us, our development has hurt us.
The decision on where we head will be determined by $$$. At 10m, Mitchy is a steal, at 15m, he has to go. Where in between is the cut off.

They have Matthews and Nylander signed for 3 more yrs so the likelihood of them winning soon is very low so if the wheels fall completely off this year I would be looking for good young talent (especially D) and draft picks to play with Knies, Minton , Cowan and hopefully Woll.

If you can sign a 28/29 year old 1st. pairing defender for $10mm for 6 years or 28 year old 1st. line RW for $12.5 for 4 years, what would you chose?

I want a number 1 D, but not a 28 yr old