Player Discussion Marner

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Most players need to have an ounce of meaningful success before demanding 100M while playing the least important and most replaceable position on the team.

 

[thewave]

Most players need to have an ounce of meaningful success before demanding 100M while playing the least important and most replaceable position on the team.

He is very arrogant about it all as well.

 

[stickty111]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849916195283013987

Must be internal analytics because the public ones are bad

 

[LeafSteel]

So gross seeing an A on this guys jersey.

Tells you all you need to know about this teams thought process and “leadership”.

 

[Maple Leaf]

So gross seeing an A on this guys jersey.

Tells you all you need to know about this teams thought process and “leadership”.

Don't worry, he will put up some random assists

 

[Gabriel426]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849916195283013987

Must be internal analytics because the public ones are bad

how can the PR coach not coach him to say anything but what he said.

How clueless do you need to be to say this stuff unless you actually believe it.

 

[thewave]

If doesn't perform well tonight I really hope they bench him.

That might be what it takes to finally get him to waive.

A good old booing and benching combo usually does the trick.

how can the PR coach not coach him to say anything but what he said.

How clueless do you need to be to say this stuff unless you actually believe it.

Maybe it's just who he is. A lot of people dislike his attitude and I mean a lot.

 

[Gabriel426]

A good old booing and benching combo usually does the trick.



Maybe it's just who he is. A lot of people dislike his attitude and I mean a lot.

Like JT with his, it was a good lesson.

 

[Mess]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849916195283013987

Must be internal analytics because the public ones are bad

Leafs PP is the 4 worst in the league so this keep doing the same thing over and over in Marner's head seems bad analytics . 4 of the top 12 highest forwards in the game and 4th worst PP in the league .. To me the Leafs are getting screwed on value of contracts when even with a man up they can score.

The problem is not only this year.. Take it all the way back to last February (prior the playoffs)

 

[LeafSteel]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849916195283013987

Must be internal analytics because the public ones are bad

This reeks of purposely not seeing the problem because you are part of the problem.

To acknowledge there is a problem would require recognizing your role in it, and we know Marner et al just aren’t built that way.

At least Rielly and Nylander can man up and say they stunk. Matthews and Tavares are a bit better. Marner? Not a chance. Just keeps spewing the same mindless cliches.

 

[Sundinisagod]

So gross seeing an A on this guys jersey.

Tells you all you need to know about this teams thought process and “leadership”.

The worst part is the A was part of his contract demands last time.

 

[thewave]

The worst part is the A was part of his contract demands last time.

Was it really? If this is true, ffs what else was in there. Why even continue on with this goofball?

 

[Sundinisagod]

Was it really? If this is true, ffs what else was in there. Why even continue on with this goofball?

It was reported at the time of negotiations, he wanted to be acknowledged as Matthews equal in terms of compensation and leadership recognition. The way they alternated the A, and the timing of him getting the A leads me to believe it to be true.

 

[arso40]

It was reported at the time of negotiations, he wanted to be acknowledged as Matthews equal in terms of compensation and leadership recognition. The way they alternated the A, and the timing of him getting the A leads me to believe it to be true.

I don’t know man…..seems like a reach I don’t think he’s that bad

 

[DarkKnight]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849916195283013987

Must be internal analytics because the public ones are bad

Actually Matthews mentioned that too, the coach brought it up to keep their spirits high. Trying to keep it positive. Nobody cares what the ankle biter crowd thinks.

 

[Antropovsky]

A couple of interesting points from Mark Masters:

• Marner apparently said, "We need to turn this around, or it's gonna get ugly."
• Berube reportedly met with Marner and Matthews, telling them they were playing too loose.

I’m curious if those were Marner’s exact words because, in my opinion, they’re poorly chosen. They should be turning it around because they hate losing and want success, not because it’s "gonna get ugly." It’s strange to me that Marner always focuses his interviews to outside reactions than about winning itself. He really cannot handle the spotlight of Toronto.

Also, that’s not what you want to hear from an assistant captain. Negativity, doubt... "if we lose, it’s gonna get ugly?" That’s neither inspiring nor confidence-building.

But id need to see the actual interview.

 

[Menzinger]

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While three of the Leafs' stars and their coach have taken responsibility for the Leafs' recent struggles, Marner continues to fall into his old ways. In speaking with media following practice on Friday, Marner was asked about the team's struggles. Every answer he gave began with 'we' and there was nothing from him that indicated he was taking responsibility himself.

Although Marner is tied for the team lead in points with Nylander with seven, the pending UFA has just 1 goal in 8 games and has just 2 points in his last five games. For someone looking to secure a long-term extension with the Leafs, not taking accountability for his part in the Leafs' recent struggles likely doesn't bode well for his future in Toronto. There is lots of season left for that to change, but as of right now, Marner appears to be the only one of the 'Core Four' not shouldering any of the blame for the troubling start himself.

With Bell officially out of the Leafs business, expect the gloves to come off at tsn when it comes to criticizing the team.

They better turn things around quickly or the guys like Marner will be facing potentially the most hostile media group since 2014.when the rebuild began

 

[HolyCrap]

With Bell officially out of the Leafs business, expect the gloves to come off at tsn when it comes to criticizing the team.

They better turn things around quickly or the guys like Marner will be facing potentially the most hostile media group since 2014.when the rebuild began

Which is a positive thing. Other than the homer fans and marnersites most will agree with hostile criticism towards the team.

 

[Sundinisagod]

I don’t know man…..seems like a reach I don’t think he’s that bad

It was considered a reach when we first heard reports that he wanted to be paid similarly to Matthews. This could have been the Marner camp's way of portraying their demands wasn't about greed, but rather being appreciated as being equally valuable to the team as Matthews.
All things considered I dont find it hard to believe.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Again, what Ferris actually said is "That is one of the factors that you bring into it, that there is a comparison of players on his team". Not exclusively. Not who. Not whether all attempted comparables were accepted by the team. Not how they were compared, or that status was ignored. Not what other comparables and factors Marner's side brought into the negotiations. Not what comparables and factors the team's side brought into the negotiations. Not how the contract was formed. Not that Marner's contract was inflated or constrained by internal contracts, or derived from UFA contracts.

The only information you actually have is that, according to Ferris, one of the factors that Marner' side wanted to bring into the negotiation were teammate comparisons. And that Marner's contract doesn't correlate with Tavares, but does correlate with the history of post-ELC contracts.

The "information" (which isn't mine) clearly says non-Leaf players were not used as comparables. So the only factors that could have been used were the Tavares and Matthews contracts.

 

[leafs in five]

A couple of interesting points from Mark Masters:

• Marner apparently said, "We need to turn this around, or it's gonna get ugly."
• Berube reportedly met with Marner and Matthews, telling them they were playing too loose.

I’m curious if those were Marner’s exact words because, in my opinion, they’re poorly chosen. They should be turning it around because they hate losing and want success, not because it’s "gonna get ugly." It’s strange to me that Marner always focuses his interviews to outside reactions than about winning itself. He really cannot handle the spotlight of Toronto.

Also, that’s not what you want to hear from an assistant captain. Negativity, doubt... "if we lose, it’s gonna get ugly?" That’s neither inspiring nor confidence-building.

But id need to see the actual interview.

what I want to hear him say is something like, I play the least important and most easily replaceable position on the team, and the regular season doesn't matter anyway, so why is anyone even asking me for comment

 

[Arzak]

Nah I wouldn't waste that cap space the next three years will probably be Matthews best, we need the best possible roster in that period. Matthews could bolt after his current contract weather we succeed or fail, or he may start to decline. We've given Marner more than enough rope here. He is what he is at this point.

oh boy I wish we could trade him with Pasta.

We all know Mitch is a much better player, analytically speaking. The Bruins are looking for the next Bergy. Mitch probably has the same reputation as Bergy .


Bruins will get the advanced stats darling, we get slight downgrade on a contract that's not up for a raise.

Plus we get Matthews Pasta. That would be fun. Now we just need his PR team to make an argument. Analytically speaking.

 

[leafs in five]

is he an advanced stat darling? I have been reading, in this thread, about his xG/xG% being bad

 

[Gallagbi]

A couple of interesting points from Mark Masters:

• Marner apparently said, "We need to turn this around, or it's gonna get ugly."
• Berube reportedly met with Marner and Matthews, telling them they were playing too loose.

I’m curious if those were Marner’s exact words because, in my opinion, they’re poorly chosen. They should be turning it around because they hate losing and want success, not because it’s "gonna get ugly." It’s strange to me that Marner always focuses his interviews to outside reactions than about winning itself. He really cannot handle the spotlight of Toronto.

Also, that’s not what you want to hear from an assistant captain. Negativity, doubt... "if we lose, it’s gonna get ugly?" That’s neither inspiring nor confidence-building.

But id need to see the actual interview.

Poor wording? Definitely Marner

 

[Gary Nylund]

Actually Matthews mentioned that too, the coach brought it up to keep their spirits high. Trying to keep it positive. Nobody cares what the ankle biter crowd thinks.

And yet, you keep posting. Go figure.