Player Discussion Marner

[notDatsyuk]

Plus minus in the playoffs is a great stat. He won his minutes. Yes he played well in the playoffs. Nylander got ran over in his minutes when his headache stopped.

Marner +1 in 7 games.
Nylander +2 in 4 games.

You were saying?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Plus minus in the playoffs is a great stat.

Just in the playoffs, and not regular season?

He won his minutes. Yes he played well in the playoffs.

Isn't "winning minutes" a team thing? Why would you say that "he won"? Was he alone out there?

Nylander got ran over in his minutes when his headache stopped.

LOL.

 

[Confucius]

Now try a more reasonable time frame - even 5 years.

I’d think the last 3 years would be a more up to date comparison even though Mitch may have still been injured last year.
Marner 22 games 25 points 1.13 P/gp
William 22 games 20 points .90 P/gp

 

[Antropovsky]

I’d think the last 3 years would be a more up to date comparison even though Mitch may have still been injured last year.
Marner 22 games 25 points 1.13 P/gp
William 22 games 20 points .90 P/gp

lol love the- "Marner may have been injured"...but ignore that we know Nylander was ill. Not hiding your bias at all.

Now post:

- linemates, considering research indicated linemates play an inportant factor for players productions
- post videos and let's discuss the play driver for the goal.
- post what game in series and game score at times of point

 

[GoonieFace]

I’d think the last 3 years would be a more up to date comparison even though Mitch may have still been injured last year.
Marner 22 games 25 points 1.13 P/gp
William 22 games 20 points .90 P/gp

Anyone that watches these games knows Mitch was awful, couldn’t care less about his inflated points

 

[Antropovsky]

Marner pointless in 3/5 games this year. Only recorded 1 shot in 3/5.

Good thing he had a great offseason. He must be still recovering from his high ankle sprain.

 

[francis246]

Marner pointless in 3/5 games this year. Only recorded 1 shot in 3/5.

Good thing he had a great offseason. He must be still recovering from his high ankle sprain.

Can count on you to stir shit up immediately in this thread. I honestly don’t wanna see you complain about anyone else in this thread. You instigate as much if not more than anyone else. Then cry wolf whenever someone says something.

lol love the- "Marner may have been injured"...but ignore that we know Nylander was ill. Not hiding your bias at all.

Now post:

- linemates, considering research indicated linemates play an inportant factor for players productions
- post videos and let's discuss the play driver for the goal.
- post what game in series and game score at times of point

Honestly Nylander discredited himself in the Amazon series. Claiming you have migraines but then hosting a watch party when you could have been playing is crazy and was not a good look.

 

[notbias]

lol love the- "Marner may have been injured"...but ignore that we know Nylander was ill. Not hiding your bias at all.

Now post:

- linemates, considering research indicated linemates play an inportant factor for players productions
- post videos and let's discuss the play driver for the goal.
- post what game in series and game score at times of point

You keep bringing this up and I asked you last time.

How bad are Point, Rantanen, and Draisaitl?

They benefit more than Marner right? Assuming Marner is better than all 3 then, right?

 

[notDatsyuk]

I’d think the last 3 years would be a more up to date comparison even though Mitch may have still been injured last year.
Marner 22 games 25 points 1.13 P/gp
William 22 games 20 points .90 P/gp

Ok, 3 years - certainly more relevant than 8 or 9. (Slight correction to your post - Marner played 25 games.)

Regular - playoffs - drop:

Marner 1.27 - 1.00 drop 0.27
Nylander 1.08 - 0.91 drop 0.17

Marner still has more of a drop in the playoffs

Last 2 years:

Marner 1.23 - 0.94 drop 0.29
Nylander 1.13 - 0.87 drop 0.26

Last year:

Marner 1.23 - 0.43 drop 0.80
Nylander 1.20 - 0.75 drop 0.45

 

[Antropovsky]

Can count on you to stir shit up immediately in this thread. I honestly don’t wanna see you complain about anyone else in this thread. You instigate as much if not more than anyone else. Then cry wolf whenever someone says something.



Honestly Nylander discredited himself in the Amazon series. Claiming you have migraines but then hosting a watch party when you could have been playing is crazy and was not a good look.

I agree, I thought it was weird that he was watching it on TV at home with friends. Were those his roommates? He looks like he lives like a college student. Are you implying you think he was faking his illness? I don't know what players typically do when they are sick and not playing. Do they locl their family out and sit in their rooms in the dark?

I never said Nylander wasn't without flaws and Nylander isn't my favorite player either. However, he's more than lived up to his contract...I judged his play based on his 7 million contract and am judging him this year on his new contract. I judge Marner the same way.

I've said this many times, why do we keep comparing Marners last few years to Nylanders? Marner made 55% more than Nylander the past 5 years.

Marner is on year 6 of not living up to his contract. Nylander has exceeded his.

 

[francis246]

I agree, I thought it was weird that he was watching it on TV at home with friends. Were those his roommates? He looks like he lives like a college student. Are you implying you think he was faking his illness? I don't know what players typically do when they are sick and not playing. Do they locl their family out and sit in their rooms in the dark?

I never said Nylander wasn't without flaws and Nylander isn't my favorite player either. However, he's more than lived up to his contract...I judged his play based on his 7 million contract and am judging him this year on his new contract. I judge Marner the same way.

I've said this many times, why do we keep comparing Marners last few years to Nylanders? Marner made 55% more than Nylander the past 5 years.

Marner is on year 6 of not living up to his contract. Nylander has exceeded his.

I won’t say that he was faking. I don’t think he was faking. I’m assuming he was in the last day of a protocol they probably set out. But I think it’s just the optics. He said it was his choice to sit out because he felt like he’d be of no use but then decided to watch with lights and drinks. Optically that just doesn’t look good to the fans. It could 100% be his roommates. He lives with Alex now. It kind of looked like Alex was there and a few other Swedes who weren’t in the playoffs.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I won’t say that he was faking. I don’t think he was faking. I’m assuming he was in the last day of a protocol they probably set out. But I think it’s just the optics. He said it was his choice to sit out because he felt like he’d be of no use but then decided to watch with lights and drinks. Optically that just doesn’t look good to the fans. It could 100% be his roommates. He lives with Alex now. It kind of looked like Alex was there and a few other Swedes who weren’t in the playoffs.

Those videos of him practicing are even more damning.

He wasn't wearing a red no contact jersey. Reports didn't say he was excluded from engaging in the full practice either. Not to mention flying if there was even a suspicion of a concussion or lingering effects from one.

If he was healthy enough to party and carry on with his friends then he was healthy enough to at least show up and sit in the press box to show his support for the team.

 

[thewave]

Ok, 3 years - certainly more relevant than 8 or 9. (Slight correction to your post - Marner played 25 games.)

Regular - playoffs - drop:

Marner 1.27 - 1.00 drop 0.27
Nylander 1.08 - 0.91 drop 0.17

Marner still has more of a drop in the playoffs

Last 2 years:

Marner 1.23 - 0.94 drop 0.29
Nylander 1.13 - 0.87 drop 0.26

Last year:

Marner 1.23 - 0.43 drop 0.80
Nylander 1.20 - 0.75 drop 0.45

If you do games 5 6 7 drop in the PO. You will start a stampede. Its ugly for Marner. When you need him most. He isnt there.

 

[thewave]

Can count on you to stir shit up immediately in this thread. I honestly don’t wanna see you complain about anyone else in this thread. You instigate as much if not more than anyone else. Then cry wolf whenever someone says something.



Honestly Nylander discredited himself in the Amazon series. Claiming you have migraines but then hosting a watch party when you could have been playing is crazy and was not a good look.

You can feel rough with them and have problems doing certain tasks and others are ok. For instance you can start to get your heart pumping and then vomit. But casually watch tv with a buzzing headache.

Not a fan of that either but if he was throwing up under load... What good is that?

 

[mapleleaf979]

Several times vs the Rangers, Marner gets pinned along the wall, stripped of the puck very easily. These types of plays happen constantly in the playoffs, separate man from puck physically.

 

[Lemontree]

This guy represents everything that is the "country club" atmosphere. Talented enough to put up points but he's no better today as a hockey player then he was during his ELC. Has never worked on his game to improve his weaknesses since his rookie season. Below average shot, below average skating (straight line speed) in a small frame that shy's away from contact. A team serious about competing does not give this guy his current contract let alone a raise.

 

[thewave]

Several times vs the Rangers, Marner gets pinned along the wall, stripped of the puck very easily. These types of plays happen constantly in the playoffs, separate man from puck physically.

They played Marner exactly how they expect they would have to in the POs.

This guy represents everything that is the "country club" atmosphere. Talented enough to put up points but he's no better today as a hockey player then he was during his ELC. Has never worked on his game to improve his weaknesses since his rookie season. Below average shot, below average skating (straight line speed) in a small frame that shy's away from contact. A team serious about competing does not give this guy his current contract let alone a raise.

100%

 

[hullsy47]

They played Marner exactly how they expect they would have to in the POs.



100%

he wont get a penny more than pannarin .you couldnt get them straight up right now in a trade.that was a playoff style game same results .knies is the guy u dont want offersheeted .

 

[Dekes For Days]

In terms of comparable contracts, that clearly says they only looked at Leaf salaries

His exact words were that "a comparison of players on his team" was "one of the factors that you bring into it".
Also, a comparison of teammates doesn't equate to any of the things being discussed.

 

[notDatsyuk]

His exact words were that "a comparison of players on his team" was "one of the factors that you bring into it".
Also, a comparison of teammates doesn't equate to any of the things being discussed.

"A comparison of teammates doesn't equate" to "a comparison of players on his team".

Good to know.

 

[Dekes For Days]

"A comparison of teammates doesn't equate" to "a comparison of players on his team".

I really hope you're joking, and didn't actually misunderstand a simple statement that badly.

 

[Hellcat]

I don't understand, this team couldn't win jack when they were younger. Now they are just getting older and more expensive without any success. How do you expect to win? It's a waste of time following this team. Marner can f*** off. Seriously. So you guys expect to win with him making more money, but getting older and slower with every passing season? Insanity.

Why you guys expect to be different than Chicago? They actually won when that core was young and relatively cheap. Once they got older and more expensive they won nothing. We won nothin when our core was younger and cheaper, but you expect to win when they are older and much more expensive?

Conditions change, rosters change. The playoffs are as much about being in the right place at the right time, hot players/cold players, good health as it is about the names on the back of your favorite teams sweater. A bounce here, bounce there, this teams 8 year shitty playoff history is different.

I think the right coach goes a long way, maybe Berube is the difference, maybe not. There is no doubting the Leafs are among the elite teams in terms of individual talent, can the coach pull that talent together into one cohesive unit. A more aggressive team, that plays strong defence, with strong goaltending is a good approach in the playoffs.

We dont need to be binary in though process, just because Chicago was not able to do it, it does not mean Toronto wont be able to do it. Different GM, different coach, different personnel, the core in in their late 20's which is when NHLers tend to peak. I do see a difference in this team, this year, is it enough to win the cup will be answered in 2025.

 

[Hellcat]

Marner pointless in 3/5 games this year. Only recorded 1 shot in 3/5.

.... and your point is?

 

[thusk]

.... and your point is?

none just try to find everything he can to bash Marner

 

[Hellcat]

If you do games 5 6 7 drop in the PO. You will start a stampede. Its ugly for Marner. When you need him most. He isnt there.

The first four games of a playoff series are not important? Can you win a series if you only win the final 3 games? He's there in the regular season right? Can you make the playoffs if you finish 9th?

Dismissing 85 games, only to focus on 3 games, seems like intentional selective bias, no?

none just try to find everything he can to bash Marner

If that is the case he is doing a poor job. Lots of whattabout pointless arguments.