Player Discussion Marner

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I don't know how anyone can look at Marner's snotty rich kid face and not want to give him a meaty fist in the beak.

That's exactly what's coming to him these playoffs again if he doesn't grow a pair. So hard to believe Matthews had to come to his defense. That's like a jelly fish protecting a sponge.

Neither has a spine.

Marner has never taken a major penalty his entire life. Which means he has never been in a fight. Not once has Marner risen to the occasion to stand up for himself or his teammates.

His attitude is one of "I'M not taking a punch in the face for THAT guy".

But he fully expects them to take one for him. Even Wayne Gretzky got into a fight. The only time Marner fights is when it's time for a new contract in which case he stoops to fighting dirty.

Soft, gutless, heartless, arrogant, & entitled.

 

[thewave]

1st in the league in shots. 1st in shot attempts. 1st in iSCF. 1st in iHDCF. 1st in ixG.

Exactly my point. He is supposed to be so good at what he does that Matthews is just tapping it in. He isn't. To get 13m you need to be making plays not passes. Mitch is just making passes and they are shooting trash at the net forcing it. Very common for MM

Nobody has worked out playing trashy hockey that doesn't get results when it matters but pads advanced stays like MM.

Weasel around the perimeter more Mitch. Send another floater into the crest of the tender. Get that contract

 

[GoonieFace]

1st in the league in shots. 1st in shot attempts. 1st in iSCF. 1st in iHDCF. 1st in ixG.

He better book his flight to Vegas. He’s a lock to win the iHDCF award this year. I believe they hand it out right after the Art Ross

 

[Confucius]

What do you think he would be putting up away from Matthews right now? Personally I am thinking if he is swapped with Nylander he is about 75-85 pt guy at best.

He isn't doing anything for Matthews right now mind you. Guy has to do all the heavy lifting while Mitch forces it. AM probably knows he is just going for points to win a contract.

Considering Mathews leads the league in shots and is shooting less than 10%, if Marner was feeding somebody else he may have more than the big 3 points he has made from Mathews goals this season.

The question should be how many less goals would Mathews have if he wasn’t getting so many shots.

 

[thusk]

I don't know how anyone can look at Marner's snotty rich kid face and not want to give him a meaty fist in the beak.

That's exactly what's coming to him these playoffs again if he doesn't grow a pair. So hard to believe Matthews had to come to his defense. That's like a jelly fish protecting a sponge.

Neither has a spine.

Marner has never taken a major penalty his entire life. Which means he has never been in a fight. Not once has Marner risen to the occasion to stand up for himself or his teammates.

His attitude is one of "I'M not taking a punch in the face for THAT guy".

But he fully expects them to take one for him. Even Wayne Gretzky got into a fight. The only time Marner fights is when it's time for a new contract in which case he stoops to fighting dirty.

Soft, gutless, heartless, arrogant, & entitled.

this post is just totally garbage, tell me who amount core was taking a major in their carreer? Matthews who had no choice with Stamkos already punched him before he drop the glove? come on

The reality is last 3 post-season, the only player of core 4 who took more hit for the team than marner, Its John Tavares...



EVERYBODY need to raise their game/ intensity in playoff

 

[thusk]

Considering Mathews leads the league in shots and is shooting less than 10%, if Marner was feeding somebody else he may have more than the 4 points he has made from Mathews goals.

The question should be how many less goals would Mathews have if he wasn’t getting so many shots.

Matthews had 1 SCF by over than last year rate. The only line in the entire NHL with more scoring chance created than Matthews/ Marner line is the Mackinnon /Rantanen line.

My only real concern right now personally is the PP, they should find a way to get it working...

 

[centipede2233]

Florida has barkov, Reinhardt and tkachuk locked up for $28 million…

 

[Arzak]

Exactly my point. He is supposed to be so good at what he does that Matthews is just tapping it in. He isn't. To get 13m you need to be making plays not passes. Mitch is just making passes and they are shooting trash at the net forcing it. Very common for MM

Nobody has worked out playing trashy hockey that doesn't get results when it matters but pads advanced stays like MM.

Weasel around the perimeter more Mitch. Send another floater into the crest of the tender. Get that contract

Well said.

It's very underrated and if you are not aware you can chuck it down as another "random" cut back and "random" floater.

He learned that being an advanced stats darling pays, by now it's how he plays hockey. No coach can change it at this point in his career.

Floaters and wondering why his production dips, never meets the expected crap.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

this post is just totally garbage, tell me who amount core was taking a major in their carreer? Matthews who had no choice with Stamkos already punched him before he drop the glove? come on

The reality is last 3 post-season, the only player of core 4 who took more hit for the team than marner, Its John Tavares...

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EVERYBODY need to raise their game/ intensity in playoff

Did I say those other players didn't need to raise their games as well?

This a Marner thread. My post was about Marner. I didn't see the need to bring in the fact Matthews, Nylander, and Tavares are wimps too.

But even besides that the fact remains that the majority of fans, by far, still think Marner is the wimpiest.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Did I say those other players didn't need to raise their games as well?

This a Marner thread. My post was about Marner. I didn't see the need to bring in the fact Matthews, Nylander, and Tavares are wimps too.

But even besides that the fact remains that the majority of fans, by far, still think Marner is the wimpiest.

Nylander's fine, agree with the rest. Actually I wouldn't call JT a wimp either, he's still a disappointment though.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Exactly my point.

Mhm, not really. You claimed that he wasn't doing anything for Matthews, when he's actually generating a ton for that line, and his playmaking has helped Matthews be top in the league in pretty much every shot/chance metric - both quantity and quality. Matthews just needs to convert on the great chances he's getting.

Nobody has worked out playing trashy hockey that doesn't get results when it matters but pads advanced stays like MM.
Weasel around the perimeter more Mitch. Send another floater into the crest of the tender. Get that contract

Marner has been excellent, and not only did you seem to miss him scoring a nice goal from the crease last night, but you also don't really seem to understand how one gets good advanced stats.

 

[francis246]

I don't know how anyone can look at Marner's snotty rich kid face and not want to give him a meaty fist in the beak.

That's exactly what's coming to him these playoffs again if he doesn't grow a pair. So hard to believe Matthews had to come to his defense. That's like a jelly fish protecting a sponge.

Neither has a spine.

Marner has never taken a major penalty his entire life. Which means he has never been in a fight. Not once has Marner risen to the occasion to stand up for himself or his teammates.

His attitude is one of "I'M not taking a punch in the face for THAT guy".

But he fully expects them to take one for him. Even Wayne Gretzky got into a fight. The only time Marner fights is when it's time for a new contract in which case he stoops to fighting dirty.

Soft, gutless, heartless, arrogant, & entitled.

Why the f*** would Marner take a fighting major if he knows he can’t fight? What is wrong with you guys? What good does that do for our team huh? He doesn’t need to fight to prove he’s tough. All that’s going to lead to is him getting hurt. I rather have Marner play a full 82 and have a bit of piss and vinegar than go out there and fight to appease a few fans and get absolutely dummied and hurt.

Again a lot of what you said is speculative, there’s no merit to any of what you said unless you’re in the room

Some of you are just so out to lunch. It’s not even funny anymore, it’s psychotic and pathetic. Critique his play 100% but this attacking of character daily is insane and takes away from a productive convo.

 

[thewave]

Mhm, not really. You claimed that he wasn't doing anything for Matthews, when he's actually generating a ton for that line, and his playmaking has helped Matthews be top in the league in pretty much every shot/chance metric - both quantity and quality. Matthews just needs to convert on the great chances he's getting.

Marner has been excellent, and not only did you seem to miss him scoring a nice goal from the crease last night, but you also don't really seem to understand how one gets good advanced stats.

Haha you sound like Dubas. Trust the plan, chances, looks, metrics and always non existent...

RESULTS

Essentially a .500 team. +1 goal differential and paying our top 4 players 50% of our cap. You can try and make failure sound awesome all you want but it's still failure. I await your next redirection and not so clever finger pointing to the next excuse.

 

[francis246]

He better book his flight to Vegas. He’s a lock to win the iHDCF award this year. I believe they hand it out right after the Art Ross

Lol so advanced stats only matter if they support your argument. Got it

 

[thewave]

Why the f*** would Marner take a fighting major if he knows he can’t fight? What is wrong with you guys? What good does that do for our team huh? He doesn’t need to fight to prove he’s tough. All that’s going to lead to is him getting hurt. I rather have Marner play a full 82 and have a bit of piss and vinegar than go out there and fight to appease a few fans and get absolutely dummied and hurt.

Again a lot of what you said is speculative, there’s no merit to any of what you said unless you’re in the room

Some of you are just so out to lunch. It’s not even funny anymore, it’s psychotic and pathetic. Critique his play 100% but this attacking of character daily is insane and takes away from a productive convo.

He shouldn't take a fighting major. He is just going to be a perimeter player that does not battle for his entire career. On a team scale that just means no success for the team that overpays him and too many other players like him.

Reason. You need depth, overpays rob from depth and so success is not possible.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Trust the plan, chances, looks, metrics and always non existent...RESULTS

Actually, the results are them consistently being two of the best players in the world, and one of the most dominant lines in hockey together. It's almost like 10 games in, not every surface stat has normalized. Unless you think McDavid is going to be PPG, Kaprizov is going to get 172 points, and Caufield is going to be a 68 goal scorer. You asked what Marner was doing for Matthews. The answer is setting him up for the best chances in the league.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Mitch has been our best man this season .. but once game speed picks up and things get rough his advantages come to an end .. this has been a truism for well over 20 years now for those of us who have watched Mitch since he was 4 ie those of us in age group who were in same soup bowl for years

 

[All Mod Cons]

I think we'll just have to go ahead and re-sign Marner and Tavares to keep the band together and just forget about winning anything.

Winning looks fun and everything, but it's more important we make sure no other team get their hands on our core 4.

 

[mogs]

Why the f*** would Marner take a fighting major if he knows he can’t fight? What is wrong with you guys? What good does that do for our team huh? He doesn’t need to fight to prove he’s tough. All that’s going to lead to is him getting hurt. I rather have Marner play a full 82 and have a bit of piss and vinegar than go out there and fight to appease a few fans and get absolutely dummied and hurt.

Again a lot of what you said is speculative, there’s no merit to any of what you said unless you’re in the room

Some of you are just so out to lunch. It’s not even funny anymore, it’s psychotic and pathetic. Critique his play 100% but this attacking of character daily is insane and takes away from a productive convo.

When in his entire career has Mitch Marner played with a bit of piss and vinegar?

 

[GoonieFace]

Lol so advanced stats only matter if they support your argument. Got it

Inspirational quotes:

Do or do not, there is no try.
This is the get it done league, not the try league
There’s no crying in baseball

I get that at some point things may even out, or maybe they won’t. No argument that Matthews has been awful at finishing this season.

 

[HolyCrap]

I think we'll just have to go ahead and re-sign Marner and Tavares to keep the band together and just forget about winning anything.

Winning looks fun and everything, but it's more important we make sure no other team get their hands on our core 4.

It’s crazy but there are actually posters here that have this line of thinking.

 

[Stephen]

I feel like a lot of the flak Marner gets should go to Matthews, especially after an effort like the Blues game where ironically Marner is the one who scores the goal by going to the net and grabbing a rebound whereas the captain is turning into Mitch's sidekick more and more every day... no one would accuse Marner of having a hot start, but he's the one sitting with above PPG and slightly off his typical pace, whereas the highest paid player is floating through the season producing like a 2nd line center.

 

[thewave]

I feel like a lot of the flak Marner gets should go to Matthews, especially after an effort like the Blues game where ironically Marner is the one who scores the goal by going to the net and grabbing a rebound whereas the captain is turning into Mitch's sidekick more and more every day... no one would accuse Marner of having a hot start, but he's the one sitting with above PPG and slightly off his typical pace, whereas the highest paid player is floating through the season producing like a 2nd line center.

The flak is very deserved on Shaggy. Even more so on Berube for not splitting AM and MM up. It's a joke at this point and so is Woll btw.

 

[Stephen]

The flak is very deserved on Shaggy. Even more so on Berube for not splitting AM and MM up. It's a joke at this point and so is Woll btw.

Matthews needs to be held to a higher standard because they gave him the captaincy. Mitch is meh at times but the level of expectations shouldn't be equal.

Not happy with Woll either. There's some major coddling going on with that guy. Guy's basically injured for 6 months on and off and yet they manage to play him vs his hometown twice in a week and get burned for it both nights. Thanks.

 

[ACC1224]

Why the f*** would Marner take a fighting major if he knows he can’t fight? What is wrong with you guys? What good does that do for our team huh? He doesn’t need to fight to prove he’s tough. All that’s going to lead to is him getting hurt. I rather have Marner play a full 82 and have a bit of piss and vinegar than go out there and fight to appease a few fans and get absolutely dummied and hurt.

Again a lot of what you said is speculative, there’s no merit to any of what you said unless you’re in the room

Some of you are just so out to lunch. It’s not even funny anymore, it’s psychotic and pathetic. Critique his play 100% but this attacking of character daily is insane and takes away from a productive convo.

You could fill a book with the stupid things he’s criticized for.