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Racer88

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I think he and Tavares will end up signing during the season. The team will likely be near the top of the league, so most fans will love seeing these guys resigned. Whether signing one or both is a good thing for the team may be a different story, but this franchise doesn't work that way. It's brand before all.
You are probably right but I think it’s a big mistake. If this team fizzles out in the playoffs again major changes will need to be made and if all the core group that hasn’t been able to get it done is locked up we will have to wait until the next tank and rebuild
 
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You are probably right but I think it’s a big mistake. If this team fizzles out in the playoffs again major changes will need to be made and if all the core group that hasn’t been able to get it done is locked up we will have to wait until the next tank and rebuild

I think ultimately the team would end up forcing a trade if that happens. I know they alll have NMC’s but I do think they’d make a move. But I agree I think you should wait till after playoffs. Even for Marner, if shit goes sideways at least you have UFA and you can dip. After playoffs kind of makes sense for everyone the more I think about it
 
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The Toronto Maple Leafs may already have a plan for how they'll spend their cap space if Mitch Marner ends up walking as a UFA next summer.​

The Toronto Star's Nick Kypreos took to his platform to discuss Maple Leafs winger Mitch Marner and where things currently stand between the player and the team. The expiring contract hangs over his head like a dark cloud and after a solid start to the season, Marner is reminding us all of the intangibles he brings to the table.

However, it's not a secret that the Maple Leafs thought about trading the winger this summer, providing he was willing waive his no-movement clause. The rumours were rampant, trade talks seemed to be happening, and both sides were more than willing to find greener pastures if the situation made sense. Eventually, the Leafs weren't able to find a suitor willing to cough up what they were looking for and Marner remained a Maple Leaf.



It's interesting that both Leafs and Marner were ready for a change of scenery, but no one was willing to send 1st our way for Mitch Marner. Not shocking, but interesting.

Kind of proves how little value there is in Marner on his current contract. I bet we would be able to offload Nylander or Matthews in a heartbeat.

We should try another sales pitch now, he is a machine (collects assists)!!!
 
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Not resigning Marner and signing Marchand or Bennett instead would be silly. Those two guys are complementary pieces at this point.
 

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It's interesting that both Leafs and Marner were ready for a change of scenery, but no one was willing to send 1st our way for Mitch Marner. Not shocking, but interesting.

Kind of proves how little value there is in Marner on his current contract. I bet we would be able to offload Nylander or Matthews in a heartbeat.

We should try another sales pitch now, he is a machine (collects assists)!!!

Where does it say he was shopped?

Also, the hope is either Ratanen who likely won't hit free agency, Marchand who will be 37 at the start of next year, or Bennett who may walk but also produces way worse than Marner in the playoffs... makes sense, logical, and very educated that Kypreos is.
 

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Where does it say he was shopped?

Also, the hope is either Ratanen who likely won't hit free agency, Marchand who will be 37 at the start of next year, or Bennett who may walk but also produces way worse than Marner in the playoffs... makes sense, logical, and very educated that Kypreos is.
How sure are you about Rantanen? I remember reading just the other day that contract talks aren't going well and that the Avs don't want to pay him anywhere near what Mackinnon is getting. I also think the Leafs would definitely be willing to pay something not too far off from that number.

Would be pretty gross if the Leafs signed Marner only to find out that they could have had Ranta instead.
 

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How sure are you about Rantanen? I remember reading just the other day that contract talks aren't going well and that the Avs don't want to pay him anywhere near what Mackinnon is getting. I also think the Leafs would definitely be willing to pay something not too far off from that number.

Would be pretty gross if the Leafs signed Marner only to find out that they could have had Ranta instead.

Swayman and the Bruins were far apart weeks ago too.

I don't care if the media says they are far apart, it means very little.

They also need him to want to come here and outbid every other team for his services.

I think the most likely scenario is he re-signs in Colorado, the next most likely scenario is he signs somewhere else, and then the least likely scenario is he signs here.

It would be gross if the Leafs didn't sign or trade for anyone in hopes that Ratanen became available and then he signed somewhere else.
 
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It's interesting that both Leafs and Marner were ready for a change of scenery, but no one was willing to send 1st our way for Mitch Marner. Not shocking, but interesting.

Kind of proves how little value there is in Marner on his current contract. I bet we would be able to offload Nylander or Matthews in a heartbeat.

We should try another sales pitch now, he is a machine (collects assists)!!!

That’s not even what happened. At least get your facts straight. Marner’s camp was asked by Jonas Siegel if they would be open to a trade after the Florida series. Marner’s camp said Marner would consider a move if asked. I believe Dubas was on the trade Marner train. But ultimately he was never asked.

I can’t recall the year but the organization decided to try and move Nylander before resigning him. They didn’t like the deals they were offered. The organization has never proactively tried to trade Marner and maybe that’s part of the issue at the end of the day.
 

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That’s not even what happened. At least get your facts straight. Marner’s camp was asked by Jonas Siegel if they would be open to a trade after the Florida series. Marner’s camp said Marner would consider a move if asked. I believe Dubas was on the trade Marner train.

I can’t recall the year but the organization decided to try and move Nylander before resigning him. They didn’t like the deals they were offered. The organization has never proactively tried to trade Marner and maybe that’s part of the issue at the end of the day.
:laugh: The stuff these guys come up with.
You could fill a book with all the whacky fantasies that's been conjured up.
 
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That’s not even what happened. At least get your facts straight. Marner’s camp was asked by Jonas Siegel if they would be open to a trade after the Florida series. Marner’s camp said Marner would consider a move if asked. I believe Dubas was on the trade Marner train. But ultimately he was never asked.

I can’t recall the year but the organization decided to try and move Nylander before resigning him. They didn’t like the deals they were offered. The organization has never proactively tried to trade Marner and maybe that’s part of the issue at the end of the day.
There were some reports that they gauged trade interest for Mitch and nothing was enticing enough to trade him. Either way, we will never really know the whole truth. He’s here, so let’s hope it works in the Leafs favor
 

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Swayman and the Bruins were far apart weeks ago too.

I don't care if the media says they are far apart, it means very little.

They also need him to want to come here and outbid every other team for his services.

I think the most likely scenario is he re-signs in Colorado, the next most likely scenario is he signs somewhere else, and then the least likely scenario is he signs here.

It would be gross if the Leafs didn't sign or trade for anyone in hopes that Ratanen became available and then he signed somewhere else.

I'm sure they want to re-sign Rantanen, and he wants to re-sign there.
He'll want Nylander/Pastrnak/Pettersson type money, and the Avs have to deal with Nichushkin and Landeskog for $13mm, which isn't on their Cap today.

My guess Leafs management would rather marner than Rantanen at the same price. Fans would definitely be split on that.

I don't care, whoever wins in the playoffs would be my choice.
 
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My guess Leafs management would rather marner than Rantanen at the same price. Fans would definitely be split on that.

I don't care, whoever wins in the playoffs would be my choice.
By split between Rantanen and Marner it would not be 50/50.

The split would be 75/25 Rantanen for the same money. The BIG Powerforward vs, the SMALL soft perimeter player. IMO

Playoffs determining the landslide winner ... 11 goals Marner vs. 34 goals Rantanen... 50 points vs. 101 points.

If you graded on playoff performance when giving a 100 point player $12 mil AAV then a player producing only 1/2 or 50 points would be worth $6 mil repetitively speaking based on actual productivity.

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If this were a Business and 1 employee was Producing/Selling 100 units while another was Producing/Selling only 1/2 the same over the same period of time (years) then you certainly wouldn't expect an employer to pay these two equally, and if you did, and you could only afford to keep One of then, the decision would be as clear as day who would be re-signed and who would be let go.

Lets ALL hope that Treliving will be given this exact opportunity to hand out 1 new contract for next season. :crossfing if these are his options.
 
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HamiltonNHL

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Marner is collecting his garbage points and his personal fans are happy. We are not fooled cause we know he withers when it matters. It seems like some care more about the player than the team. Is it a cult or something?
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he's on his close to his usual pace. he scores once every 3 games.
 

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Well you got 2 out of 3 things right.

:D

I imagine if Marner falls flat in another post season. He will be let go or sign and traded. That 12 or 13m has to do something in the post season.

LOL, I was truly hoping Drai would have been avail but Ranta is a good consolation prize doubt he hits the market though. Leafs will float stories through the media insiders that there are options out there and Mitch's side will float stories through the same people that there are Eastern conference rivals that have huge interest in Mitch. In the end I think Mitch signs with the Leafs. Both will use public/fan/media pressure to get what they want.

I dont think Tree has the stones to trade any of the core 5. TBH if I was to nominate one of the core 5, it would be Rielly. He skates so damn smooth so you forget about all the mental processing errors he makes, considering how much ice time he gets, that is a bad thing. I don think he is a #1, he's better as a low #2 or #high 3 IMO.

If Marner goes and we get a Ranta type, wonderful! If Marner leaves and we use that cap space to buy fringe 2nd & 3rd liners, not so good.

The money we get from Tavares and Marner + whatever cap increase comes each year, is only as good as the GM that is using it, lets hope Tree knows what he is doing...
 

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If Marner goes and we get a Ranta type, wonderful! If Marner leaves and we use that cap space to buy fringe 2nd & 3rd liners, not so good.
You take expiring contracts until you have a player you want.
We don't need Marner to get into the playoffs.

Mitch needs the change of scene.
 

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By split between Rantanen and Marner it would not be 50/50.

The split would be 75/25 Rantanen for the same money. The BIG Powerforward vs, the SMALL soft perimeter player. IMO

Playoffs determining the landslide winner ... 11 goals Marner vs. 34 goals Rantanen... 50 points vs. 101 points.

If you graded on playoff performance when giving a 100 point player $12 mil AAV then a player producing only 1/2 or 50 points would be worth $6 mil repetitively speaking based on actual productivity.

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If this were a Business and 1 employee was Producing/Selling 100 units while another was Producing/Selling only 1/2 the same over the same period of time (years) then you certainly wouldn't expect an employer to pay these two equally, and if you did, and you could only afford to keep One of then, the decision would be as clear as day who would be re-signed and who would be let go.

Lets ALL hope that Treliving will be given this exact opportunity to hand out 1 new contract for next season. :crossfing if these are his options.
What is wrong with you people? Obsessed with points regardless of defense. Over and over and over.

Last 3 playoffs 5v5, sample is a bit small but the picture it paints is clear.

PlayerGPTOIGF/60GA/60GF%
Mitchell Marner
25​
383.8​
3.13​
1.72
64.5​
Auston Matthews
23​
381.2​
2.83​
2.05
58.1​
John Tavares
25​
348.8​
2.06​
2.24
48.0​
William Nylander
22​
328.0​
2.20​
2.56
46.2​
Mikko Rantanen
38​
638.8​
3.01​
2.63
53.3​

Marner beats everyone at GF and GA even Matthews.
Rantanen is even worse than Nylander defensively.

Don't you people watch the games?
 

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That’s not even what happened. At least get your facts straight. Marner’s camp was asked by Jonas Siegel if they would be open to a trade after the Florida series. Marner’s camp said Marner would consider a move if asked. I believe Dubas was on the trade Marner train. But ultimately he was never asked.

I can’t recall the year but the organization decided to try and move Nylander before resigning him. They didn’t like the deals they were offered. The organization has never proactively tried to trade Marner and maybe that’s part of the issue at the end of the day.
We don't actually know whether or not they tried to trade him - all we really know is that nothing has been made public.

It's entirely possible that they tried to arrange a trade in the same way they did with Nylander last summer, but didn't get an offer they liked and thought Marner would waive for.
 

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What is wrong with you people? Obsessed with points regardless of defense. Over and over and over.

Last 3 playoffs 5v5, sample is a bit small but the picture it paints is clear.

PlayerGPTOIGF/60GA/60GF%
Mitchell Marner
25​
383.8​
3.13​
1.72
64.5​
Auston Matthews
23​
381.2​
2.83​
2.05
58.1​
John Tavares
25​
348.8​
2.06​
2.24
48.0​
William Nylander
22​
328.0​
2.20​
2.56
46.2​
Mikko Rantanen
38​
638.8​
3.01​
2.63
53.3​

Marner beats everyone at GF and GA even Matthews.
Rantanen is even worse than Nylander defensively.

Don't you people watch the games?

What about the last two series? What about those stats. I watched those games. Marner was dogwater.
 

666

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Marner is a great player.

He's just not affordable.

No team has ever or will ever win a cup with 2 butter soft right wingers making > 10 AAV.
Unfortunately the vast majority of the haters around here are saying:
a) Marner is bad even in the regular season - these guys are suffering and should be ignored
b) Marner is a superstar in the regular season but Nylander crushes him in the playoffs - these people ignore defensive play
c) Marner is going to be too expensive - it's not Marners fault that Nylander is overpaid, move Nylander nothing is impossible

You don't get rid of your superstar best defensive forward because you messed up on Nylander.
 
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