Player Discussion Marner

[Nineteen67]

Sure, but the team was stacked and Eichel basically was Marner. Barely scored any goals and had a bunch of primary assists so it’s funny how we praise Eichel for that type of performance but shit on Marner for doing the same. Eichel had 6 goals in 22 playoff games and I don’t think he scored any goals in the last two rounds of the playoffs.

Same thing with Matthew Tkachuk last year. Goal scoring was non existent, racked up assists but he’s looked at as a playoff GOAT. While Reinhart, Verhaghe and Bennett did all the heavy lifting

If anyone praised him it’s because he performed well and didn’t get pushed out. That’s kind of big difference and it’s the only knock on Marner’s on ice performance.

Ray Ferraro didn’t use the term disinterested when describing any of the players you mentioned above.

 

[ULF_55]

He could. He tends to be on for more goals for than against.


They were glad they didn't need to choose between the two is what I was told.
Has Marner had a better career than Eichel?

Lorentz - marner - Holmberg

 

[ACC1224]

Lorentz - marner - Holmberg

I don’t think you want those two getting that much ice time.

 

[ULF_55]

I don’t think you want those two getting that much ice time.

Probably not, but their focus would be on defense, not attacking.

 

[ACC1224]

Probably not, but their focus would be on defense, not attacking.

Colossal waste of an insanely skilled player.

I’m sure Lorentz/Holmberg and their agents would love it though

 

[ULF_55]

Colossal waste of an insanely skilled player.

I’m sure Lorentz/Holmberg and their agents would love it though

Like it was a insanely waste of Keon's?

 

[ACC1224]

Like it was a insanely waste of Keon's?

I don’t recall him playing with 4th liners. Maybe in Hartford at the end of his career

 

[francis246]

Like it was a insanely waste of Keon's?

Did they even have 4th liners or 20 skaters back then?

 

[sunstersun]

Big game for Marner.

Huge expectations.

 

[Thornbury]

Big game for Marner.

Huge expectations.

So far, I am not seeing "North - South" Mitch.

 

[Racer88]

So far, I am not seeing "North - South" Mitch.

Because the camera moves faster then he does

 

[ACC1224]

So far, I am not seeing "North - South" Mitch.

Why would you expect to see that?

 

[Antropovsky]

If we are removing the cup and focusing on individual performance, I’d say both Marner and Rantanen and possibly even Aho have out performed him just on individual performance alone.

As a sportsnet reporter pointed out, when you play with Marner whose standing on the perimeter and not going to the net... its difficult to produce points.

Additionally, Keefe and Marner himself have pointed out that teams over defend Matthews. Marner has said its up to him and the other winger to attack the open areas.

Heres are graphics from 2024 series of Matthews best playoff game with Domi and Bertuzzi and a graphic of Marners best. Whose invisible and whosr not?

Marner: Goals, Shots, Hits, Blocks

Matthews:

 

[Aashir]

now that we can actually talk about things that happened this nhl season instead of regurgitating the same 10 points back and forth:

Marner looked good out there for the most part, a couple of times where he really needed to shoot or look to shoot. That pk rush he should've thought shoot all the way, a couple of times where he really just needed to shoot instead of passing the puck, but he was pretty good at winning battles and keeping the puck in

 

[saffronleaf]

lmao loser recorded 0 points tonight

 

[sunstersun]

now that we can actually talk about things that happened this nhl season instead of regurgitating the same 10 points back and forth:

Marner looked good out there for the most part, a couple of times where he really needed to shoot or look to shoot. That pk rush he should've thought shoot all the way, a couple of times where he really just needed to shoot instead of passing the puck, but he was pretty good at winning battles and keeping the puck in

He's had almost a decade in the league. We needed him to get rid of this over passing instincts like 5 seasons ago.

 

[stickty111]

Not good enough, but he usually starts slow, and ends slow(playoffs).
Can Marner be like Nylander? It would make this team better.

 

[notbias]

Not good enough, but he usually starts slow, and ends slow(playoffs).
Can Marner be like Nylander? It would make this team better.

He can probably produce less and become worse defensively, but not sure that is a good strategy.

 

[ORRFForever]

loser recorded 0 points tonight

As opposed to what other Leaf player?

 

[Aashir]

He's had almost a decade in the league. We needed him to get rid of this over passing instincts like 5 seasons ago.

I don't expect it to change tbh, it's just a flaw we will have to live with and hope he can still be effective come playoffs with this pass first mentality

plus it's much more refreshing to talk about something new, as a pure observation, even if I don't like the player all too much

 

[Antropovsky]

It really doesn’t matter what he does in the regular season, playing alongside a top-2 center and on a #1 power play unit with 4 forwards making 11+ million.

We go through this every year. At some point, like the last five seasons, certain posters will start comparing him to Gretzky againconveniently forgetting his playoff results and that this is just another Groundhog Day.

What matters is the playoffs, and how he performs when the opposition plays desperate, physical hockey. But that hockey is still a long way off. And this is a contract year. Personally, I dont think 8 year contracts should be based on a contract year. They should be the handful of years before them.

 

[notbias]

It really doesn’t matter what he does in the regular season, playing alongside a top-2 center and on a #1 power play unit with 4 forwards making 11+ million.

We go through this every year. At some point, like the last five seasons, certain posters will start comparing him to Gretzky againconveniently forgetting his playoff results and that this is just another Groundhog Day.

What matters is the playoffs, and how he performs when the opposition plays desperate, physical hockey. But that hockey is still a long way off. And this is a contract year. Personally, I dont think 8 year contracts should be based on a contract year. They should be the handful of years before them.

I agree, a contract should be given out for more than just a single year.

This is the last 3 years.

This excludes the defensive side of the puck (one was a Selke finalist in this time).

 

[notDatsyuk]

I agree, a contract should be given out for more than just a single year.

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This is the last 3 years.

This excludes the defensive side of the puck (one was a Selke finalist in this time).

Exactly - it's pretty obvious that Willy is the more valuable player, even without factoring in linemates.

 

[Gabriel426]

So far, I am not seeing "North - South" Mitch.

That’s bc he is a South North Player, lol

 

[Gabriel426]

The argument about not committing to MM till after the playoffs had nothing to do with how talent MM is.

1. Needs to see how the team plays in the playoffs and not just MM. if the team continues to underperform like years past, there is no point continuing to run it back. One of the biggest problem the Leafs had in the past is balance scoring, and if this issue still exists in the coming playoffs, I just don’t see how any MGT would continue to run it back hoping they will break through. The JT 11mil will be split among Woll(who will make 3mil more next season), Knies, McCabe and Holmberg. The cap at most will go up 5mil and that’s pretty much JT or JT replacement.
2. The McD watch. What if Oilers crash and couldn’t make playoffs or get swept in the first round. As slim a chance of that happening, I don’t see why Leafs don’t wait and see if there is ever a chance that McD would want to come home. If MM is signs mid season, that’s not going to happen as none of our top guys will take one for the team waive their NTC esp if they know McD is coming the other way.

Just these factors alone are enough to avoid signing MM mid season.