Value of: Marner

[tkb81]

That might make sense if the Leafs were serious contenders and thought they had a strong chance to win it all. They are not and they wont, so it is a waste of an asset.

So umm explain to me how they move an asset that has the contractual right to not want to move?

 

[McVespa99]

So umm explain to me how they move an asset that has the contractual right to not want to move?

They cant if he doesn't agree.
So you either find a situation he will be happy with or make his life so miserable in TO that he agrees so he can escape

 

[John Mandalorian]

They cant if he doesn't agree.
So you either find a situation he will be happy with or make his life so miserable in TO that he agrees so he can escape

Yes. But something seems off with this. It feels like a middleground of mush scenario.

Marner denies trades. Why?

If Toronto is telling him its his last year there and his 8th year is at stake, wouldnt he be inclined to waive his NTC?

If hes not waiving, why?

 

[McVespa99]

Yes. But something seems off with this. It feels like a middleground of mush scenario.

Marner denies trades. Why?

If Toronto is telling him its his last year there and his 8th year is at stake, wouldnt he be inclined to waive his NTC?

If hes not waiving, why?

That is the 12 million dollar question From a selfish perspective I guess its better for a player to go ufa and then sign with whatever team he wants without that team having to give up any assets for him. Those assets can be used to make the team better and help them win. The 8th year can be made up with a higher aav. Whats a million one way or the other when the contract is already ridiculous?

 

[tkb81]

They cant if he doesn't agree.
So you either find a situation he will be happy with or make his life so miserable in TO that he agrees so he can escape

Man, if someone tried to make my life miserable just to leave.. I would stay outta spite hahaha... but this has Mats Sundin all over it

 

[rve24]

They cant if he doesn't agree.
So you either find a situation he will be happy with or make his life so miserable in TO that he agrees so he can escape

That's a good way to improve your teams rep as a place FAs wanna sign lol.
Find a better way if ya wanna move him. Players talk and that would hurt the team long term having that rep.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Claude Giroux returned a first, a third and Owen Tippet. So start there if it’s a rental. Marner has a NMC but Leafs aren’t desperate to trade him for a lowball offer like the Hawks were with Kane. We can use him as an own rental.

For an extended Marner, I’d look at the Eichel deal as a comparison.

Leafs won’t be able to retain Marner down to that kind of value.

 

[sena]

They wont trade him. New coach needs to win and the old coach is the luckiest guy ever. Could you imagine NJ being a power house and Mathews gets hurt for 2 months with no Marner. The melt down would be too much to handle.
If they fall apart they can just blame Marner for refusing to leave, its a get out of jail free card.

 

[JPT]

They cant if he doesn't agree.
So you either find a situation he will be happy with or make his life so miserable in TO that he agrees so he can escape

Sounds like a good way to be accused of abusing a player to manipulate him.

 

[StewieP19]

The big problem when you are a good team as Toronto are, you want to be stronger to win the cup.
Trading Marner you will have a 1st a top 6 and more but nothing can really help them to be stronger than now.
But if they trade Marner for a 1st @ top 6 forward, the can re-trade the 1st to add another piece to try to be better. but nothing is sure

 

[McVespa99]

Sounds like a good way to be accused of abusing a player to manipulate him.

Doesnt need to be any abuse. Just dont play him. Like I said there ore really only 2 choices.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

They cant if he doesn't agree.
So you either find a situation he will be happy with or make his life so miserable in TO that he agrees so he can escape

Escape, or get punted right the f*** outta there? You can tell a lot from posts on here because of stuff like that.

Marner has ALL the control. That is what he bargained for and now here it is. MLSE can't trade him if he says no, simple as that.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

The big problem when you are a good team as Toronto are, you want to be stronger to win the cup.
Trading Marner you will have a 1st a top 6 and more but nothing can really help them to be stronger than now.
But if they trade Marner for a 1st @ top 6 forward, the can re-trade the 1st to add another piece to try to be better. but nothing is sure

From my POV, you accept that you cannot win a Marner trade. That said, IMO the Leafs are better off losing a trade but getting some value instead of either losing him for nothing, or resigning him long term for $12m per year. That is of course assume there is any deal to be had with MMs NMC. If there isn't, that's sunk cost but it's on Shanny for not having Tre trade him last offseason before his NMC kicked in.

 

[McVespa99]

Escape, or get punted right the f*** outta there? You can tell a lot from posts on here because of stuff like that.

Marner has ALL the control. That is what he bargained for and now here it is. MLSE can't trade him if he says no, simple as that.

100% correct

 

[TS Quint]

Doesnt need to be any abuse. Just dont play him. Like I said there ore really only 2 choices.

That’s called cutting off your nose to spite your face. This does nothing to make Marner want to move and makes the Leafs a worse team. I’m sure Matthews and Nylander are going to be super happy with the team choosing to be worse because they GAVE Marner this control.

Meanwhile this plan does nothing to hurt Marner’s position. He has an established history as a 90-100 point player. If the Leafs decide to punish Marner for using the NMC the Leafs GAVE him the rest of the league won’t see it as a knock on Marner, they will see it as the Leafs being a clown show.

 

[sensfan4lifee]

LOL, plays top PK and quarterbacks the pp but both suck in crunch time. So that’s worthless. Who cares about his 90 points? He has 11 goals total in his playoff career. LOL. That’s like barely over 1 goal per playoff season. He is one of the biggest reasons why this team can’t advance in the playoffs. So you can take his 90 points in the regular season and throw them out the window. Totally meaningless. So please tell me how valuable his PK and PP skills are when both suck for the team as a whole come the playoffs?

He has 50 points in 57 play off games and he's primarily a play maker, he hasn't been the main issue with the leafs not winning in the play offs, most of it has been goaltending and poor team structure. Marner has been relatively good in the play offs and is almost a PPG. You mention 11 goals well the guy is primarily a play maker of course he wont score a lot of goals. You're creating a narrative just like the media has which is a false one by a bunch of "supposed" hockey journalists in toronto, who in reality know f*** all about the sport and have been running players out of town for decades.

 

[ACC1224]

Yes. But something seems off with this. It feels like a middleground of mush scenario.

Marner denies trades. Why?

If Toronto is telling him its his last year there and his 8th year is at stake, wouldnt he be inclined to waive his NTC?

If hes not waiving, why?

He wants to remain on the team and change the narrative .

There hasn't been any indication that the Team has looked to move him as yet.

 

[TS Quint]

He has 50 points in 57 play off games and he's primarily a play maker, he hasn't been the main issue with the leafs not winning in the play offs, most of it has been goaltending and poor team structure. Marner has been relatively good in the play offs and is almost a PPG. You mention 11 goals well the guy is primarily a play maker of course he wont score a lot of goals. You're creating a narrative just like the media has which is a false one by a bunch of "supposed" hockey journalists in toronto, who in reality know f*** all about the sport and have been running players out of town for decades.

Scoring is the Leafs playoff problem. Samsonov has been the only shitty goaltender for them in the playoffs. Just look at the leafs scoring this year in the playoffs. Just one game with 3 goals Vs the Bruins. Three games with one goal. You can’t goaltend your way out of that kind of offense. They have 4 guys making 8 digits who pack it in when the chips are down.

 

[BLONG7]

Scoring is the Leafs playoff problem. Samsonov has been the only shitty goaltender for them in the playoffs. Just look at the leafs scoring this year in the playoffs. Just one game with 3 goals Vs the Bruins. Three games with one goal. You can’t goaltend your way out of that kind of offense. They have 4 guys making 8 digits who pack it in when the chips are down.

And the Fab Four make 46 M combined..................hilarious how the leafs doubled down, and gave more money to Mathews and Nylander........this season is the last kick at the cat, with the Fab Four.

 

[sensfan4lifee]

Scoring is the Leafs playoff problem. Samsonov has been the only shitty goaltender for them in the playoffs. Just look at the leafs scoring this year in the playoffs. Just one game with 3 goals Vs the Bruins. Three games with one goal. You can’t goaltend your way out of that kind of offense. They have 4 guys making 8 digits who pack it in when the ch

 

[sensfan4lifee]

Scoring is the Leafs playoff problem. Samsonov has been the only shitty goaltender for them in the playoffs. Just look at the leafs scoring this year in the playoffs. Just one game with 3 goals Vs the Bruins. Three games with one goal. You can’t goaltend your way out of that kind of offense. They have 4 guys making 8 digits who pack it in when the chips are down.

The big 4 is not the problem, the problem is poor team structure, the Leafs under dubas were being build as an offensive team, yet only really had one D-Man who could move the puck. The Leafs d has always been some what Solid but it doesn't support the forwards with transition in my opinion. Also I'd argue that the reason the big "4" have always been shut down is lack of depth, they can be focused by other teams because they know beyond the big 4 the leafs have no depth, this is where Guys like Cowan, Knies and Robertson and Minten should come into Play, cheap young talent you can plug in to support the Core,

 

[LOFIN]

He has 50 points in 57 play off games and he's primarily a play maker, he hasn't been the main issue with the leafs not winning in the play offs, most of it has been goaltending and poor team structure.

Hahahaha

No, the goaltending and team structure has been fine. What hasn't been fine is that Marner and the rest of the core 4 have scored at less than 0.5PPG clip after G3 of the 1st round. Marner blows his load in the first games, so he's technically close to PPG career wise. Yet has all but disappeared when the most important games come up.

 

[AvroArrow]

He has 50 points in 57 play off games and he's primarily a play maker, he hasn't been the main issue with the leafs not winning in the play offs, most of it has been goaltending and poor team structure. Marner has been relatively good in the play offs and is almost a PPG. You mention 11 goals well the guy is primarily a play maker of course he wont score a lot of goals. You're creating a narrative just like the media has which is a false one by a bunch of "supposed" hockey journalists in toronto, who in reality know f*** all about the sport and have been running players out of town for decades.

Watch the games and you'll realize your entire post is wrong

Goaltending has been fine, it's literally been the offence. The team defence and goaltending have done their jobs, the star forwards have failed. They held Boston to 2 or fewer goals 4 times this year and lost the series.

Marner has sucked in the playoffs, he was good under Babcock, in the Keefe years he's been horrible. He padded his stats in the first 3 games of the playoffs last year and was a ghost the rest of the playoff.

He doesn't go into the corners even when he's clearly winning the race, he makes horrible turn overs whenever he's pressured in the playoffs, the iconic flip dumps vs Montreal and throwing muffins up the middle when someone is gonna lay the body on him. He had an opportunity to seal game 7 but got terrified of going to the net, after Swayman literally passed him the puck behind the net.

 

[McVespa99]

That’s called cutting off your nose to spite your face. This does nothing to make Marner want to move and makes the Leafs a worse team. I’m sure Matthews and Nylander are going to be super happy with the team choosing to be worse because they GAVE Marner this control.

Meanwhile this plan does nothing to hurt Marner’s position. He has an established history as a 90-100 point player. If the Leafs decide to punish Marner for using the NMC the Leafs GAVE him the rest of the league won’t see it as a knock on Marner, they will see it as the Leafs being a clown show.

Ummmm. The rest of the league already thinks that

 

[Sasha Orlov]

He has 50 points in 57 play off games and he's primarily a play maker, he hasn't been the main issue with the leafs not winning in the play offs, most of it has been goaltending and poor team structure. Marner has been relatively good in the play offs and is almost a PPG. You mention 11 goals well the guy is primarily a play maker of course he wont score a lot of goals. You're creating a narrative just like the media has which is a false one by a bunch of "supposed" hockey journalists in toronto, who in reality know f*** all about the sport and have been running players out of town for decades.

Bro has never watched Marner play a single playoff game lmfao