Marner or Laine?

[Leaf4Life]

Because a few years ago, some Leaf fans had their feelings hurt when their lord and savior was compared to our guy. It's been a war ever since.

Laughable. Laine isn't comlarable to Matthews and believe me we aren't "hurt" by anyome who tries to make that comparison. I actually laugh at it.

Matthews > Marner > Laine.

Hope I didn't hurt your feelings.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

2 games is such a big sample size, wow!

might want to check back to last season, 2nd best team in the NHL while the best team was in the same division? confrence finals?

oh wait but 2 games on regular season

It's not the first time they've won the cup in December.

 

[BB88]

For a team to be good, you need to score more goals than opponent.

That makes your team better more than any other secondary aspect of hockey. Assists are nice, saves are nice, skating is nice, hitting is nice, drawing penalties is nice. But the game is decided on goals and those are just functions that support goal scoring or avoiding goals in your own end.

Yes you need to score goals, but someone has to create the plays those goals can be scored on, someone needs to get the puck to the offensive zone, someone simply needs to get the puck and possession.

Laine isn't good enough to be the guy on a team, he can't be your teams best player right now, because he can't drive a play, because he's too dependent on linemates.
Outside of his goal scoring he doesn't bring a lot to the table.

Marner is a constant threat on the other hand, and a guy who makes his linemates better.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Laughable. Laine isn't comlarable to Matthews and believe me we aren't "hurt" by anyome who tries to make that comparison. I actually laugh at it.

Matthews > Marner > Laine.

Hope I didn't hurt your feelings.

Yeah, see, this is what I am talking about. You just mention the fact that it happened and the ">" start coming out.

 

[Albi34]

For a team to be good, you need to score more goals than opponent.

That makes your team better more than any other secondary aspect of hockey. Assists are nice, saves are nice, skating is nice, hitting is nice, drawing penalties is nice. But the game is decided on goals and those are just functions that support goal scoring or avoiding goals in your own end.

But here is the flaw in this logic. I would argue that Marner's elite playmaking results in more goals scored by his line, compared to Laine's influence on his line. I agree it's all about the goals, and Marner *creates* more of them.
By your logic you would have a team full of James Neals, when a prime Joe Thornton is sitting on the bench.

 

[Leaf4Life]

Yeah, see, this is what I am talking about. You just mention the fact that it happened and the ">" start coming out.

Umm.. Did you see the title of this thread? LOL

Considering it's the TOPIC of this thread...

 

[Breakers]

Marner

Laine is too one dimensional.
Neither drive play 5v5 at a great rate. But Laine really isnt great at it.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Umm.. Did you see the title of this thread? LOL

Considering it's the TOPIC of this thread...

Matthews isn't in the title or was a part of the thread till I answered that dudes question.

All I said that was feelings were hurt when Laine was compared to Matthews and the second I brought that up you tried show me I was wrong by doing exactly what I said.

"LAUGHABLE"
">>>>>>"
"HOPE I DIDN'T HURT YOUR FEELINGS"

You were missing 1 "AINEC" for my Bingo card.

 

[Leaf4Life]

Matthews isn't in the title?

Yet you mentioned him first, genius.

 

[FinnishSniper]

Well this has went well...

 

[Dache]

What is a good number? It's the same story with 20% and 30%. I'm seeing nothing that suggests that elite playmakers are any less rare than elite goal scorers.

I’m assuming that he means because there are more assists than goals it shouldn’t be 10% for both. Since there are almost twice as many assists as goals it should probably be something like 10% and 6%

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Yet you mentioned him first, genius.

Edited to more accurately reflect real life.

 

[Critical13]

Because a few years ago, some Leaf fans had their feelings hurt when their lord and savior was compared to our guy. It's been a war ever since.

Is that a joke?

It was Jets fans constantly comparing Laine to Matthews.

Did you notice how all of those threads dissapeared and no one brought it up until Laine went on a hot streak? Now it's all back? And it will go quiet again, soon.

It's because one side of the argument (Laine fans) absolutely NEED for their to be comparisons and controversy surrounding these two. I have no idea why.

Laine is a fantastic playmaker. He just doesn't get used as one because he has the best shot in the game. Naturally, he should primarily shoot. In the last game he had two great chances to shoot but he tried to set up Little with a sick feed both times and Little didn't even get a shot on goal on those empty net tap ins. Laine should have shot on both occasions, and the coach should be reminding him "assists are for assistants"

This is just too perfect

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Is that a joke?

It was Jets fans constantly comparing Laine to Matthews.

Did you notice how all of those threads dissapeared and no one brought it up until Laine went on a hot streak? Now it's all back? And it will go quiet again, soon.

It's because one side of the argument (Laine fans) absolutely NEED for their to be comparisons and controversy surrounding these two. I have no idea why.

Yeah....see.....like this. You bring it up once and everyone starts shouting about how no one was shouting.

 

[Leaf4Life]

Yeah....see.....like this. You bring it up once and everyone starts shouting about how no one was shouting.

You're really that clueless. That's what happens when you throw out a bunch of fallicies in a post.

Leaf fans never compared Matthews to Laine and we never had our "feelings hurt" because we knew who was clearly better.

You can stop throwing out nonsensical opinions as facts now.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

15 points is 15 points

 

[FalcorMulch]

I’m assuming that he means because there are more assists than goals it shouldn’t be 10% for both. Since there are almost twice as many assists as goals it should probably be something like 10% and 6%

A fixed percentage is exactly how you would control for this.

 

[Critical13]

Yeah....see.....like this. You bring it up once and everyone starts shouting about how no one was shouting.

You're right. The 4 mainboard threads littered with shots at Matthews are just...collateral? Happens every time a player has a streak? Funny I didn't see those comments littering every page of the Kucherov thread, or the Point thread. When it's Laine, though....I am sure it's just coincidence. My favourites were all the "brap" comments when he scored 5 that one game. I am sure that had nothing to do with Matthews either.

Also, remember that cringey zamboni driver rap where they mention Matthews multiple times?

It's like a cloud that hangs over his head and every once in a while, the rain stops and everyone comes out of their holes looking to spread the word of Laine>Matthews to anyone who will listen....then Matthews comes back and puts it to sleep and they all scurry back to their hidey holes.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

You're really that clueless. That's what happens when you throw out a bunch of fallicies in a post.

Leaf fans never compared Matthews to Laine and we never had our "feelings hurt" because we knew who was clearly better.

You can stop throwing out nonsensical opinions as facts now.

I never said Leaf fans made the comparison. I said that they were upset that the comparison was made in the first place. So far this, this exchange has been a great example that shows some of that animosity from years ago still remains as strong as ever.

 

[stepdad gaary]

What is a good number? It's the same story with 20% and 30%. I'm seeing nothing that suggests that elite playmakers are any less rare than elite goal scorers.

are we even looking at a per game or per/60 number?

 

[Iapyi]

For a team to be good, you need to score more goals than opponent.

That makes your team better more than any other secondary aspect of hockey. Assists are nice, saves are nice, skating is nice, hitting is nice, drawing penalties is nice. But the game is decided on goals and those are just functions that support goal scoring or avoiding goals in your own end.

A team of Marners would beat a team of Lianes 9 or 10 times out of 10.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

You're right. The 4 mainboard threads littered with shots at Matthews are just...collateral? Happens every time a player has a streak? Funny I didn't see those comments littering every page of the Kucherov thread, or the Point thread. When it's Laine, though....I am sure it's just coincidence. My favourites were all the "brap" comments when he scored 5 that one game. I am sure that had nothing to do with Matthews either.

Also, remember that cringey zamboni driver rap where they mention Matthews multiple times?

It's like a cloud that hangs over his head and every once in a while, the rain stops and everyone comes out of their holes looking to spread the word of Laine>Matthews to anyone who will listen....then Matthews comes back and puts it to sleep and they all scurry back to their hidey holes.

*sigh* You're not getting it so I'll just give you what you want.

bUt cAn mAtThEwS sCoRe 5 gOaLs iN a GaMe???????? LULZ! PWNED!

aaaaaaaaaand I die a little on the inside each time.

 

[Psych0dad]

A team of Marners would beat a team of Lianes 9 or 10 times out of 10.

I would predict a totally different outcome. Don't present yours as a fact, it's an opinion.

 

[Iapyi]

Leafs could benefit more if they traded Marner for help in the back end.

It's adorable when people who clearly haven't watched a team play very much jump on the bandwagon and start making asinine conclusions.

 

[morkkis35]

People act like we talk about their sons, dont be so defensive and take off ur clubglasses. Too bad that many pple cannot talk about players objectively. Im a fan of laine, but both are studs. Whatever a team needs, u go with either or.

Mitch has amazing playmaking skills and definitely makes his linemates better. Every game i watch he makes things happen. Absolutely admire him.

Laine is a goalscorer like there is not many.... he has an absolute killer instinct and laser of a shot/release. He also has the skills/potential to set teammates up, what is definitely anunderrated part of his game. But how would u know if u didnt watch any of his games over the last couple years. Many pple talk about how reliant he is on other players.... but who the f@#$ scores how laine does!? Not many. This guy just started his 3rd season and scired 100 goals. This is an acomplishment rarely anyone has achieved. Laine is the key in many games and can decide games in the jets favour. He can score from positions nobody can.

U need goalscorers aswell as playmakers. Neither works without the other one. So i do not get this "he just scoes goals" "he just makes passes". Both are essential. Both live of each other, like laine needs passes, marner needs someone to bury it. Both wont happen with scrubs as linmates.