TSN: Marner on tsn: "We are grown men".

[keonsbitterness]

I’m still trying to figure out what “drip” is. Lol

I'm going with bling.

 

[Antropovsky]

Speaks much more to the quality of Marner.

Speaks more to the coach over-coaching again. Trying to go the unconventional with 6 mins left in a 1 goal game and it nearly bit them in the ass on the first shift.

He got walked. Jay rosehill made a comment about how his backwards skating looked beginner level, how he did the c cut , c-cut, one arm in the air stuff.

I think Mitch Marner does enough...25 mins a game, playing lots of even strength minutes, PK and PP....

Maybe if Keefe started showing some faith in players other than Marner, Matthews and Tavares.... This team would get more production from other members. For example Friedman reported the reason Mikhehev wanted out before the beginning of last season was he wanted more ice time.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Speaks more to the coach over-coaching again. Trying to go the unconventional with 6 mins left in a 1 goal game and it nearly bit them in the ass on the first shift.

He got walked. Jay rosehill made a comment about how his backwards skating looked beginner level, how he did the c cut , c-cut, one arm in the air stuff.

I think Mitch Marner does enough...25 mins a game, playing lots of even strength minutes, PK and PP....

Maybe if Keefe started showing some faith in players other than Marner, Matthews and Tavares.... This team would get more production from other members. For example Friedman reported the reason Mikhehev wanted out before the beginning of last season was he wanted more ice time.

He wanted more ice time to cash in on a bigger UFA pay day. Even if we give him that ice time over Marner and Nylander for some reason he's still gone now, he's just making 5+ instead of 4.5.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Speaks more to the coach over-coaching again.

Doesn't speak to overcoaching at all. 5 minutes left down a goal is exactly the time you want your coach using strategies to increase offensive generation.

25 mins a game, playing lots of even strength minutes, PK and PP....

It's actually less than 22 minutes a night, but yeah, Marner is an amazing, rare, high-stamina, all-situations player. We're lucky to have hm.

Maybe if Keefe started showing some faith in players other than Marner, Matthews and Tavares.... This team would get more production from other members. For example Friedman reported the reason Mikhehev wanted out before the beginning of last season was he wanted more ice time.

Mikyehev wanted a bigger role so he could cash in in UFA, but every time we gave him a bigger role, he consistently failed to grab it. That's his own fault, not Keefe's. It's pretty ridiculous to be upset because the coach leans on his best players - something every coach does.

 

[Racer88]

I'm going with bling.

That what a was thinking but you never know these days

 

[Antropovsky]

He wanted more ice time to cash in on a bigger UFA pay day. Even if we give him that ice time over Marner and Nylander for some reason he's still gone now, he's just making 5+ instead of 4.5.

...his first year he was getting plenty of opportunities hovering around 17 mins of ice time for the most part. His second season his minutes progressively went down to around 12 mind a game. Athough his minutes were up in his 3rd year I am assuming his PK time went up and his defensive zone faceoff time went up too under Keefe compared to Babs. I could be wrong. These are things that would have to be looked at though. I don't blame him for wanting out either, if he's a younger player, extremely hard working and his coach wants him to be a defensive specialist, while Marner and Company are playing 25 minutes a night and getting many og the offensive zone starts. If that were the case.

 

[francis246]

That what a was thinking but you never know these days

Drip is is just your fit overall, it’s just how you put everything together.

 

[Its not your fault]

...his first year he was getting plenty of opportunities hovering around 17 mins of ice time for the most part. His second season his minutes progressively went down to around 12 mind a game. Athough his minutes were up in his 3rd year I am assuming his PK time went up and his defensive zone faceoff time went up too under Keefe compared to Babs. I could be wrong. These are things that would have to be looked at though. I don't blame him for wanting out either, if he's a younger player, extremely hard working and his coach wants him to be a defensive specialist, while Marner and Company are playing 25 minutes a night and getting many og the offensive zone starts. If that were the case.

When did their calibers become comparable to Marners level?

 

[keonsbitterness]

Drip is is just your fit overall, it’s just how you put everything together.

So my kitchen sink actually doesn't need replacing?

 

[Racer88]

Drip is is just your fit overall, it’s just how you put everything together.

Thank I would have never guessed that. Lol

 

[Namikaze Minato]

So my kitchen sink actually doesn't need replacing?

No, youre just a bad interior designer and a worse plumber.

 

[Antropovsky]

Doesn't speak to overcoaching at all. 5 minutes left down a goal is exactly the time you want your coach using strategies to increase offensive generation.

It's actually less than 22 minutes a night, but yeah, Marner is an amazing, rare, high-stamina, all-situations player. We're lucky to have hm.

Mikyehev wanted a bigger role so he could cash in in UFA, but every time we gave him a bigger role, he consistently failed to grab it. That's his own fault, not Keefe's. It's pretty ridiculous to be upset because the coach leans on his best players - something every coach does.

Exactly the times? 5 mins left in a game and only down by 1 goal? Can you list how many other teams employ this incredible strategy?

He's amazing and rare? Guess you have missed his last 3 playoff series? Care to go into detail why he was amazing and rare during those playoff games?

currently, Marner leads the league in secondary assists and is pacing 17 goals. He has also had 3 underwhelming playoffs where he was the cause of two consecutive game 6 losses. He also went 18 consecutive playoff games without a goal.

Tack on his softness... For 11 million ... I don't know if amazing and rare are the right words here.

 

[arso40]

Exactly the times? 5 mins left in a game and only down by 1 goal? Can you list how many other teams employ this incredible strategy?

He's amazing and rare? Guess you have missed his last 3 playoff series? Care to go into detail why he was amazing and rare during those playoff games?

currently, Marner leads the league in secondary assists and is pacing 17 goals. He has also had 3 underwhelming playoffs where he was the cause of two consecutive game 6 losses. He also went 18 consecutive playoff games without a goal.

Tack on his softness... For 11 million ... I don't know if amazing and rare are the right words here.

I understand some of what you say but every year marner catches fire so his totals in the regular season are going to spike however if they can split him and matthews in the playoffs to spread the concentration out we’ll definitely get out the first round get a guy like bertuzzi and mayfield and we’ll do some damage big time

 

[Dekes For Days]

Exactly the times? 5 mins left in a game and only down by 1 goal? Can you list how many other teams employ this incredible strategy?

Yes, 5 minutes left down a goal is exactly the time you want your coach using strategies to increase offensive generation. I don't know why you think Keefe is the first coach to ever use 4 forwards, but it's a perfectly valid strategy, especially when you have the 4 forwards we do. All teams take risks and gambles in these types of situations, whether it be using 4 forwards, stacking lines, stacking pairings, shortening the bench, pulling the goalie, heavily activating defense, etc. Playing 5v5 and just replacing one player with somebody more offensively-skilled isn't some super risky thing, and it's weird that you're so up in arms about them doing it for all of 30 seconds.

He's amazing and rare?

Yes, he is. One of the best forwards in the league. Great offensively, great defensively, and plays in all situations. You cherry picking the most negative and contextless mischaracterizations of him and some of his playoff performances doesn't change that.

I believe they said his 12-game point streak was the longest in the NHL so far this season. And he did it during a slump. Pretty cool.

 

[Antropovsky]

Yes, 5 minutes left down a goal is exactly the time you want your coach using strategies to increase offensive generation. I don't know why you think Keefe is the first coach to ever use 4 forwards, but it's a perfectly valid strategy, especially when you have the 4 forwards we do. All teams take risks and gambles in these types of situations, whether it be using 4 forwards, stacking lines, stacking pairings, shortening the bench, pulling the goalie, heavily activating defense, etc. Playing 5v5 and just replacing one player with somebody more offensively-skilled isn't some super risky thing, and it's weird that you're so up in arms about them doing it for all of 30 seconds.

Yes, he is. One of the best forwards in the league. Great offensively, great defensively, and plays in all situations. You cherry picking the most negative and contextless mischaracterizations of him and some of his playoff performances doesn't change that.

I believe they said his 12-game point streak was the longest in the NHL so far this season. And he did it during a slump. Pretty cool.

You still haven't answered my question...not that I'm surprised. What other coaches use this strategy at even strength with 5 minutes in a game left?

the fact that you responded with "I don't know why you think keefe is the first coach to use this strategy" basically an admitted that you have no idea who's used it and when. . Per usual when talking about something you are pretending to know something about...you have gone back to vague responses. And playing a forward on Defense with 5 mins left in the game is not similar to the other traditional ways you listed of trying to get a goal that all coaches use i.e shortening the bench, stacking lines or D pairings.

You say we are lucky to have this rare amazing forward... Yet you don't want to discuss Marners playoff history? I would argue that this is the most important area to be looking at when throwing around wordsike amazing and rare.

 

[Antropovsky]

I understand some of what you say but every year marner catches fire so his totals in the regular season are going to spike however if they can split him and matthews in the playoffs to spread the concentration out we’ll definitely get out the first round get a guy like bertuzzi and mayfield and we’ll do some damage big time

We would have done damaged in one of the last playoff had Marner played to an 11 million dollar player level. Simple as that. We are paying him to produce and occasionally be clutch, not just be good defensively. We are paying Kampf to be great defensively.

 

[Dekes For Days]

What other coaches use this strategy at even strength with 5 minutes in a game left?

You're entirely missing the point. There's nothing wrong with a coach using strategies to increase offensive generation down a goal with 5 minutes left. That's exactly what they should be doing. Throwing Marner out there for a shift is no different from any of the multitude of strategies that coaches use.

You say we are lucky to have this rare amazing forward... Yet you don't want to discuss Marners playoff history?

I've discussed Marner's playoff history countless times. Often with you specifically because, just like you did here, you deflected to that out of an unrelated discussion, and misrepresented it. Cherry picking goal totals for a playmaker, only caring about production and ignoring the context behind it, arbitrarily blaming him for losses, calling him soft, etc.
He is an amazing player that we are lucky to have, and he was once again one of our best players in the playoffs last year.

 

[Notsince67]

Exactly the times? 5 mins left in a game and only down by 1 goal? Can you list how many other teams employ this incredible strategy?

He's amazing and rare? Guess you have missed his last 3 playoff series? Care to go into detail why he was amazing and rare during those playoff games?

currently, Marner leads the league in secondary assists and is pacing 17 goals. He has also had 3 underwhelming playoffs where he was the cause of two consecutive game 6 losses. He also went 18 consecutive playoff games without a goal.

Tack on his softness... For 11 million ... I don't know if amazing and rare are the right words here.

Leads the team in points, 1st year all star 2 years in a row. >ppg for his career. 12 game point streak. Tied for #12 all time leafs career points at 25 years old. That kid is headed to the hall whether you like it or not. He has had ups and downs but his playing is far more consistent than your coherence.

 

[francis246]

Leads the team in points, 1st year all star 2 years in a row. >ppg for his career. 12 game point streak. Tied for #12 all time leafs career points at 25 years old. That kid is headed to the hall whether you like it or not. He has had ups and downs but his playing is far more consistently than your coherence.

Marner is an amazing talent. The hate he gets is pretty crazy. People say we can’t win with him yet teams like Tampa and Chicago have won with wingers of similar style.

 

[francis246]

You still haven't answered my question...not that I'm surprised. What other coaches use this strategy at even strength with 5 minutes in a game left?

the fact that you responded with "I don't know why you think keefe is the first coach to use this strategy" basically an admitted that you have no idea who's used it and when. . Per usual when talking about something you are pretending to know something about...you have gone back to vague responses. And playing a forward on Defense with 5 mins left in the game is not similar to the other traditional ways you listed of trying to get a goal that all coaches use i.e shortening the bench, stacking lines or D pairings.

You say we are lucky to have this rare amazing forward... Yet you don't want to discuss Marners playoff history? I would argue that this is the most important area to be looking at when throwing around wordsike amazing and rare.

Maple Leafs Big 3 Playoff Scoring Leaders For Incompetent Fans:

Auston Matthews - 39 games played, 33 points
Mitch Marner - 39 games played, 33 points
William Nylander - 39 games played, 30 points


The narrative that he’s not a playoff performer is dumb. Furthermore this weird obsession by people in the fanbase to put the losses solely on his shoulders is stupid.

All 3 of those players are pretty consistent in the playoffs. A portion of it is bad luck, another portion is as a group they haven’t gotten it done for whatever reason. But Marner is definitely not the sole reason they haven’t won. If anything he’s a big part of why they are in the hunt every year.

The biggest issue with the team is secondary scoring. Dubas should have got Taylor Hall when we had the chance.

 

[Antropovsky]

You're entirely missing the point. There's nothing wrong with a coach using strategies to increase offensive generation down a goal with 5 minutes left. That's exactly what they should be doing. Throwing Marner out there for a shift is no different from any of the multitude of strategies that coaches use.

I've discussed Marner's playoff history countless times. Often with you specifically because, just like you did here, you deflected to that out of an unrelated discussion, and misrepresented it. Cherry picking goal totals for a playmaker, only caring about production and ignoring the context behind it, arbitrarily blaming him for losses, calling him soft, etc.
He is an amazing player that we are lucky to have, and he was once again one of our best players in the playoffs last year.

I'm the one missing the point? I said this is an unconventional strategy. Meanwhile you named typical strategies and said its normal for a coach to do this.

what if the coach decided to have Nylander cherry pick at center ice while the magnicant Marner covered two offensive players?

Would you be able to rationalize it the same way? May I ask where the line ends?

The point is, playing a forward on defense with 5 mins left is unusual, which is why it's been talked about a lot, while the media isn't talking about when the goalie pulled or when a lines are stacked.

You also never support any of your arguments with evidence. For example this glorious sample of nothingness (what is this bunch of nothing statements?)

I've discussed Marner's playoff history countless times. Often with you specifically because, just like you did here, you deflected to that out of an unrelated discussion, and misrepresented it. Cherry picking goal totals for a playmaker, only caring about production and ignoring the context behind it, arbitrarily blaming him for losses, calling him soft, etc.

I've misrepresented info? This isn't true. Back your statements up with examples and let people respond. You won't because you know this is completely fabricated. Boards should introduce the dekesfordays rule, which is you can't accuse others of things without citing specific examples. Your shtick is old and I've seen many many others talk to you about it over the last year.

 

[therealkoho]

They're 4-3 and on pace of 93 or 94 points, which should be enough for a playoff spot, what's all the panic about?

It's LeaFland, panic is what they do, its what they've done, and it's what they'll always do whether it's necessary or not.

Pretty awful 10 days in Leaf Land after Marner's statement there.

Listen, if you can find 10 good days at all in the last 10 seasons of LeaFland it would be a Christmas miracle, and not even Dickens himself could do it.

Speaks more to the coach over-coaching again. Trying to go the unconventional with 6 mins left in a 1 goal game and it nearly bit them in the ass on the first shift.

He got walked. Jay rosehill made a comment about how his backwards skating looked beginner level, how he did the c cut , c-cut, one arm in the air stuff.

I think Mitch Marner does enough...25 mins a game, playing lots of even strength minutes, PK and PP....

Maybe if Keefe started showing some faith in players other than Marner, Matthews and Tavares.... This team would get more production from other members. For example Friedman reported the reason Mikhehev wanted out before the beginning of last season was he wanted more ice time.

Jay Rosehill critiquing somebodies skating abilities, Jay efffin Rosehill, that is sublime!

When did their calibers become comparable to Marners level?

Nobody ever says Marner can't play hockey but there's a whole contingent of LeaFlanders who believe, and truly believe he's bad at hockey, so comparing lesser players to Marners level of proficiency just goes with that territory.

The perfect hockey player is a rare thing and I've been lucky enough to see 4 of them in my lifetime Mr. Howe, Mr. Orr, and Messrs Gretzky and Lemieux. MM is one of few Leafs who are the closest to that designation, and for whatever reason the whiners are so devastated that he's not perfect that they feel he must be pilloried at every turn. It's mind boggling to me. I would bet that when the day comes when Mitch hoists the mug and accepts the Conn Smythe, there will still be some whining.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I said this is an unconventional strategy. Meanwhile you named typical strategies and said its normal for a coach to do this.

You did not say this was an "unconventional strategy". You said it was "over-coaching" and bashed the decision. I explained to you that it's normal for a coach to find ways to boost offensive generation when the team is down a goal with 5 minutes left in the game, and gave you multiple similar examples of exactly that.

what if the coach decided to have Nylander cherry pick at center ice while the magnicant Marner covered two offensive players?

See, now after being unable to argue against what actually happened, you turn to an extreme hyperbole that has nothing to do with the decision that was made. What you described is a very high-risk play. What Keefe did, essentially putting out his PP unit 5v5, is a very low-risk play.

I've misrepresented info? This isn't true. Back your statements up with examples and let people respond.

You've misrepresented Marner as well as his playoff history, and I did give multiple examples - cherry picking goal totals for a playmaker, cherry picking production in certain playoffs and ignoring the context behind it, arbitrarily blaming him for team losses, calling him soft, etc. And that was just in your first post!

Marner is an amazing player. Elite offensively. Elite defensively. Elite PPer. Elite PKer. Multi-time first team all-star. 40 goal, 110 point pace last year, as well as PPG+ in the playoffs against the 2x Cup Champs and last year's Cup finalist with a Vezina finalist. High stamina. Plays in all situations. Brings an injection of energy to a locker room. When all is said and done, he will be a slam-dunk HOFer, and be one of the best Leafs to ever play.

But you ignore all that and choose to pinpoint the most negative things you can say about the player. Let's ignore what he's proven to be over hundreds of games, and instead cherry pick some small samples from his early-20s where he still played well but some aspect of his production wasn't what you wanted, so you can ignore all of the things that impacted that production in order to downplay and define him.

 

[meefer]

FWIW, the only thing Marner (and Matthews, Tavares and Nylander) hasn't done is go on a tear in the playoffs. He (all of them) have played well at various times, but he (nor the others) hasn't carried the team in the playoffs to this point. Most teams that I can think of have had their best dominate for a series or two, basically willing their team to victory. To date, we've not seen that.

Otherwise, love him or not, Marner is a damned fine hockey player.

 

[Antropovsky]

You did not say this was an "unconventional strategy". You said it was "over-coaching" and bashed the decision. I explained to you that it's normal for a coach to find ways to boost offensive generation when the team is down a goal with 5 minutes left in the game, and gave you multiple similar examples of exactly that.

See, now after being unable to argue against what actually happened, you turn to an extreme hyperbole that has nothing to do with the decision that was made. What you described is a very high-risk play. What Keefe did, essentially putting out his PP unit 5v5, is a very low-risk play.

You've misrepresented Marner as well as his playoff history, and I did give multiple examples - cherry picking goal totals for a playmaker, cherry picking production in certain playoffs and ignoring the context behind it, arbitrarily blaming him for team losses, calling him soft, etc. And that was just in your first post!

Marner is an amazing player. Elite offensively. Elite defensively. Elite PPer. Elite PKer. Multi-time first team all-star. 40 goal, 110 point pace last year, as well as PPG+ in the playoffs against the 2x Cup Champs and last year's Cup finalist with a Vezina finalist. High stamina. Plays in all situations. Brings an injection of energy to a locker room. When all is said and done, he will be a slam-dunk HOFer, and be one of the best Leafs to ever play.

But you ignore all that and choose to pinpoint the most negative things you can say about the player. Let's ignore what he's proven to be over hundreds of games, and instead cherry pick some small samples from his early-20s where he still played well but some aspect of his production wasn't what you wanted, so you can ignore all of the things that impacted that production in order to downplay and define him.

I DID say it was unconventional...but you chose to cut out parts of my response when responding. Which should be banned...because your manipulating others responses and taking context out. Below is my full post that you cut up until it met your agenda. I bolded the lart you say i didnt say.

Speaks more to the coach over-coaching again. Trying to go the unconventional with 6 mins left in a 1 goal game and it nearly bit them in the ass on the first shift.

He got walked. Jay rosehill made a comment about how his backwards skating looked beginner level, how he did the c cut , c-cut, one arm in the air stuff.

I think Mitch Marner does enough...25 mins a game, playing lots of even strength minutes, PK and PP....

Maybe if Keefe started showing some faith in players other than Marner, Matthews and Tavares.... This team would get more production from other members. For example Friedman reported the reason Mikhehev wanted out before the beginning of last season was he wanted more ice time.