TSN: Marner on tsn: "We are grown men".

[Larcos_Unal]

That was sure a grown men showcase on the overtime vs Las Vegas....their giant pendulous balls were dragging all over the ice, preventing them from skating.

 

[fancy lad]

That was sure a grown men showcase on the overtime vs Las Vegas....their giant pendulous balls were dragging all over the ice, preventing them from skating.

He actually had a good game for the most part. but a bad play during fake 3 on 3 hockey is not going to look good. Especially in toronto where EVERY play is dissected under a microscope.

 

[Gary Nylund]

He actually had a good game for the most part. but a bad play during fake 3 on 3 hockey is not going to look good. Especially in toronto where EVERY play is dissected under a microscope.

I try not to worry too much about whatever happens 3 on 3. I was much more annoyed when he flipped the puck over the glass, you'd think he'd have learned how not to do this by now.

 

[VanW27]

He actually had a good game for the most part. but a bad play during fake 3 on 3 hockey is not going to look good. Especially in toronto where EVERY play is dissected under a microscope.

He was terrific all night, then a classic moronic puck flip over glass and complete disinterest in defending in OT to hand the game over.

Marner and Matthew's have been absolute disasters in OT for a while now, cheating for offense at every chance and handing teams break aways and 2 on 1s out of nowhere. It's ridiculous because they're both good defensive forwards under normal circumstances but they have no interest in defending in OT. They need to be stapled to the bench for the next few OT games.

Last 5 seasons 3 on 3 stats (on ice):
Marner - 8GF, 15GA (TOI 59:43)

This is a guy who should thrive at 3 on 3, instead he's a liability because of laziness. Nylander gets the lazy label but his stats:

Nylander - 4GF, 4GA (TOI 41:04)

For me that matches the eye test, Marner is cheating for offense, giving up all kinds of chances against but if teams miss it creates chance for as well.

 

[Notsince67]

Listening to Spittin Chicklets and Derek Lalonde Wings new head coach and old asst in Tampa. He said from the beat down by Columbus to the next year they eliminated risk with the puck and got rid of the globetrotter style of play. There’s always going to be risk but make smart decisions with the puck. Marner is a prime example for this along with the Leafs and why they continue to not succeed.

Marner scores a shitload while also showing a positive goal differential year over year. If your premise is that Marner is holding the team back, you are going to have to do better than glib descriptions of a globetrotter style that hurts the team

 

[JL17]

Marner scores a shitload while also showing a positive goal differential year over year. If your premise is that Marner is holding the team back, you are going to have to do better than glib descriptions of a globetrotter style that hurts the team

How’s that working in the playoffs? Safe plays with puck but there’s puck over the glass penalties year after year. There’s turnovers it’s all at key times. Prime example last night. 2 points but costs his team 2 goals which means a loss same in Anaheim. When you have 100 points a year your never going to see that differential any other way but a plus. He could have 4 points but turns the puck over trying to be cute and it ends up in the back of the net Toronto loses 5-4. How’s that show up on a stats sheet.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

He was terrific all night, then a classic moronic puck flip over glass and complete disinterest in defending in OT to hand the game over.

Marner and Matthew's have been absolute disasters in OT for a while now, cheating for offense at every chance and handing teams break aways and 2 on 1s out of nowhere. It's ridiculous because they're both good defensive forwards under normal circumstances but they have no interest in defending in OT. They need to be stapled to the bench for the next few OT games.

Last 5 seasons 3 on 3 stats (on ice):
Marner - 8GF, 15GA (TOI 59:43)

This is a guy who should thrive at 3 on 3, instead he's a liability because of laziness. Nylander gets the lazy label but his stats:

Nylander - 4GF, 4GA (TOI 41:04)

For me that matches the eye test, Marner is cheating for offense, giving up all kinds of chances against but if teams miss it creates chance for as well.

Without Mitch there was not a SINGLE point to even be had last night he and Kallgren only reasons we got 1 point .. Rielly was so bad that he felt he had to go below goal line to help him do his job .. a winger should never have to even be in that position .. but Matty was out of position and Rielly gave puck away twice .. I don't blame Mitch for that he was taking ownership for 2 guys who needed to be stapled to da bench

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Leafs don't even go to overtime without Marner putting the team on his back. Scored a beauty then set up another beauty.

Of all the players to shit talk, very weird choice. AM was basically invisible, again. He's just not himself right now.

 

[leafsfan5]

He had a very good game overall, certainly better than Matthews. Looks like he's getting back into form

OT was a tire fire, though

 

[Stephen]

Listening to Spittin Chicklets and Derek Lalonde Wings new head coach and old asst in Tampa. He said from the beat down by Columbus to the next year they eliminated risk with the puck and got rid of the globetrotter style of play. There’s always going to be risk but make smart decisions with the puck. Marner is a prime example for this along with the Leafs and why they continue to not succeed.

Leafs don’t seem to want to make that transformation. There are plenty of roster guys below Marner who are skillsy but don’t make low risk, efficient plays but instead kind of double up on what we have at the top of the lineup, but worse.

 

[Notsince67]

How’s that working in the playoffs? Safe plays with puck but there’s puck over the glass penalties year after year. There’s turnovers it’s all at key times. Prime example last night. 2 points but costs his team 2 goals which means a loss same in Anaheim. When you have 100 points a year your never going to see that differential any other way but a plus. He could have 4 points but turns the puck over trying to be cute and it ends up in the back of the net Toronto loses 5-4. How’s that show up on a stats sheet.

Which goals are on Marner exactly? I mean I actually watched the game.

Primary f-ups

1st goal: Sandin
2nd goal: Liljegren
3rd goal: Nylander
4th goal: Rielly

You can't even make giveaways stick because he had 1 all game despite having the puck on his stick all night.

 

[Gallagbi]

Which goals are on Marner exactly? I mean I actually watched the game.

Primary f-ups

1st goal: Sandin
2nd goal: Liljegren
3rd goal: Nylander
4th goal: Rielly

You can't even make giveaways stick because he had 1 all game despite having the puck on his stick all night.

Goal 4 has Marner turning the puck over then getting caught wide with no purpose in OT. Rielly really struggled on a few goals, but there's plenty of blame for Marner on that GWG.

I thought it was a good game overall for him, just a sloppy OT shift

 

[Notsince67]

Goal 4 has Marner turning the puck over then getting caught wide with no purpose in OT. Rielly really struggled on a few goals, but there's plenty of blame for Marner on that GWG.

I thought it was a good game overall for him, just a sloppy OT shift

Matthews was moving left and veered center in an aggressive forecheck (dumb move). You dont throw 3 guys on the left boards.. Rielly was completely flat footed.100% that wasn't on Marner.

 

[Gabriel426]

MM was good last night.
The OT goal has more to do with the other two than MM. Could MM made a better play, yes. But that’s Hockey. It could lead to a goal for the Leafs too.

 

[Matthews4Calder]

The blame should be on Keefe. Have absolutely no clue what these guys see in watching videos, dissecting games etc. Leafs in OT with those 3 starting the OT and playing together is brutal yet Keefe keeps sticking with them to start. In last 3 years with those 3 on ice together in OT the Leafs have been outscored 8-1. They only have one thing in mind in OT and that's offence. Break them up or better yet staple them to the bench until they figure it out. Sad part is they are good defensively M&M that is for the most part but in OT they are horrible.

 

[francis246]

The blame should be on Keefe. Have absolutely no clue what these guys see in watching videos, dissecting games etc. Leafs in OT with those 3 starting the OT and playing together is brutal yet Keefe keeps sticking with them to start. In last 3 years with those 3 on ice together in OT the Leafs have been outscored 8-1. They only have one thing in mind in OT and that's offence. Break them up or better yet staple them to the bench until they figure it out. Sad part is they are good defensively M&M that is for the most part but in OT they are horrible.

The problem is they play too many minutes. He doesn’t manage their minutes effectively. By the time OT starts, they are gassed. He needs to start with a willie, Kerfoot, Brodie combination or something. Or just reduce Matthews and Marner’s minutes

 

[Gabriel426]

The blame should be on Keefe. Have absolutely no clue what these guys see in watching videos, dissecting games etc. Leafs in OT with those 3 starting the OT and playing together is brutal yet Keefe keeps sticking with them to start. In last 3 years with those 3 on ice together in OT the Leafs have been outscored 8-1. They only have one thing in mind in OT and that's offence. Break them up or better yet staple them to the bench until they figure it out. Sad part is they are good defensively M&M that is for the most part but in OT they are horrible.

Remembered when Babs started Leo in OT, good times.

I don’t blame Keefe on who he starts in OT, but I do blame him in coaching the OT. Need to hammer in the fact that OT means holding onto the puck as long as possible. You tired the other team out into making a mistake.

 

[Gallagbi]

Matthews was moving left and veered center in an aggressive forecheck (dumb move). You dont throw 3 guys on the left boards.. Rielly was completely flat footed.100% that wasn't on Marner.

Matthews goes to the puck, Rielly cuts the man on the boards (over commits IMO) and Marner is left doing nothing because he doesnt pickup his man.

Everyone in the play has a role, Marner isnt close to executing anything and doesnt have a man. Stack that onto the turnover itself and its not a good shift.

Fine game, hes the reason we had a lead, but that OT shift was rough

 

[Notsince67]

Matthews goes to the puck, Rielly cuts the man on the boards (over commits IMO) and Marner is left doing nothing because he doesnt pickup his man.

Everyone in the play has a role, Marner isnt close to executing anything and doesnt have a man. Stack that onto the turnover itself and its not a good shift.

Fine game, hes the reason we had a lead, but that OT shift was rough

3 on 3, you collapse back towards your net and stay on top when you don't have the puck. You don't play man on man defense like it's basketball. You would be left holding your jock pretty quickly.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Matthews goes to the puck, Rielly cuts the man on the boards (over commits IMO) and Marner is left doing nothing because he doesnt pickup his man.

Everyone in the play has a role, Marner isnt close to executing anything and doesnt have a man. Stack that onto the turnover itself and its not a good shift.

Fine game, hes the reason we had a lead, but that OT shift was rough

It kind of seemed like Mitch thought we had possession.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Matthews goes to the puck, Rielly cuts the man on the boards (over commits IMO) and Marner is left doing nothing because he doesnt pickup his man.

Everyone in the play has a role, Marner isnt close to executing anything and doesnt have a man. Stack that onto the turnover itself and its not a good shift.

Fine game, hes the reason we had a lead, but that OT shift was rough

I have never met and/or played with a winger ever who played middle as last guy back .. that is what a D is supposed to do .. da issue is Rielly is not a really a D either he is a rover from hockey's original positions .. Rielly is basically useless in OT unless he had da puck and skating with it .. he will never think like a D and he isn't gonna pick it up as a vet

 

[Gallagbi]

3 on 3, you collapse back towards your net and stay on top when you don't have the puck. You don't play man on man defense like it's basketball. You would be left holding your jock pretty quickly.

...And Marners outside in rather than inside out. Hes not between any player and a lane to the net. Rielly can drop back to cover but its only necessary because Marners lost position and is beat.

What do you think is Marner's role in that setup and do you think he does it well on that play?

 

[DarkKnight]

15th in league scoring now.

 

[leafsfan5]

Listening to Spittin Chicklets and Derek Lalonde Wings new head coach and old asst in Tampa. He said from the beat down by Columbus to the next year they eliminated risk with the puck and got rid of the globetrotter style of play. There’s always going to be risk but make smart decisions with the puck. Marner is a prime example for this along with the Leafs and why they continue to not succeed.

This is probably my primary criticism of Mitch. He needs to learn when to stop being cute and make the simple play

Last year in game 6 of OT versus Tampa he was trying too hard, wanting to go through the entire team and make a play. That's not going to happen when teams tighten up. A simple game is sometimes needed, and it can open up your skill too. Get the puck deep, grind it out and throw it to the net

 

[HockeyVirus]

Leafs don't even go to overtime without Marner putting the team on his back. Scored a beauty then set up another beauty.

Of all the players to shit talk, very weird choice. AM was basically invisible, again. He's just not himself right now.

Nothing new for our fanbase. Pick an agenda and that is the reason we lose regardless of context.