TSN: Marner on tsn: "We are grown men".

[Gabriel426]

Give me a Roberts or a Wilson in the top-6 any day, but they actually need to be in the lineup to be useful.

Sometimes Fraser/Gretzky happens and it doesn't matter how hard you played that year, you need to bring a level of intensity that you can sustain for a 5+ year cup window.

I get he's a legend and everything but let's be realistic, he had 2, maybe 3 playoff runs that were worth anything over his entire career. If it was any other player in any other city he'd have 1/100th the clout he does now.



Oh so we have a long tradition of respect in the handshake line then.

Are we talking about Clark or Dougie?
Bc I can see that argument on Dougie but certainly not Clark.
Pretty sure Clark would be a legend on any teams and any cities with the way he played.

 

[francis246]

Marner’s Dad is representing Marner, whether he likes it or not. Put it this way, if MM’s dad is not his dad and just an average Joe off the street, would he even get a chance for an interview to speak about MM and his contract? I am not even going to go into whether or not Marner’s camp(MM, his dad, his agent…) planned that interview and would just treat it as an interview where Marner’s dad got bait into answering those questions about those bonuses. MM’s camp should have known better.
As for MM’s contract. Pretty sure they signed the contract knowing full well the bonuses are not included. Thus, what’s right do they have to complain? I deal with contracts signings(real estate deals) all the time, I just can’t see how one side can complain about stuff that clearly not stated in the contract. If the bonuses were that important, MM’s agent should have negotiated it into that contract from the beginning instead of letting it go and then complain about it later.

Also TO medias is not easy but it is not a few tiers and levels higher than markets like NY, LA or even Buffalo when the teams got the talents to be a contender and possibly Champions. Players on contending teams deal with medias all the time with expectations, and honestly if players can’t deal with that, it is probably better off to play in non-contenders. Just look at Johnny Hockey, when he signed with BJs, not once had he mentioned the team is on the raise and they are challenging for the Cup. He pretty much just said great to be here, love the city…

to be honest I think why the players went so hard in negotiations is the bonuses. I've always felt that way, there was no reason for Lou to chince your superstar rookies on their ELC bonuses. While I don't think it's the main reason they all went so hard, but I think it played a factor. Personally, in my opinion giving them the bonuses could have saved them on the AAV on the second contract. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but honestly the leafs brought a lot of the negotiation mess on themselves. It didn't have to go down the way it did, but Dubas let it.

Well I mean he's signing an ELC. so of course he's going to sign it without the bonuses otherwise he's not going to get sided to an NHL contract.

 

[Gabriel426]

to be honest I think why the players went so hard in negotiations is the bonuses. I've always felt that way, there was no reason for Lou to chince your superstar rookies on their ELC bonuses. While I don't think it's the main reason they all went so hard, but I think it played a factor. Personally, in my opinion giving them the bonuses could have saved them on the AAV on the second contract. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but honestly the leafs brought a lot of the negotiation mess on themselves. It didn't have to go down the way it did, but Dubas let it.

Well I mean he's signing an ELC. so of course he's going to sign it without the bonuses otherwise he's not going to get sided to an NHL contract.

They signed the contract knowing bonuses are not included. Like it or not, don’t go public and complained about it.
The thing is just being a good player in TO would probably net them more endorsements than most cities in the NHL.
I am just one of those who thinks people need to honour the contract and don’t complain about something clearly wasn’t written in the contract.

 

[CelticDruid]

What did this man win again?

Clark gave everything he had to wear that Leaf jersey, the fans loved him for never ever taking a game off, he left it all on the ice.

Wendel Clark will always be loved and respected by fans and his peers.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Are we talking about Clark or Dougie?
Bc I can see that argument on Dougie but certainly not Clark.
Pretty sure Clark would be a legend on any teams and any cities with the way he played.

Dougie actually won a cup and personal hardware though. Played twice the amount of games and I doubt anyone would say that he lacked intensity. He also had 6 deep playoff runs where he was over PPG, Wendel broke 10 points in the playoffs a grand total of 3 times in his entire career.

Clark was fun to watch but you have to win something to be a winner.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Clark was fun to watch but you have to win something to be a winner.

And yet so many support regular season success here

 

[Canadian Finn]

And yet so many support regular season success here

well done Sir.

 

[AvroArrow]

And yet so many support regular season success here

I'm going to enjoy the ride to the playoffs, we're lucky to witness some of the guys we have on our team. If people are just going to bitch about the playoff series of the past, why even watch regular season games really ? It's an 82 game season, we can discuss the playoffs once we get there. But if the idea is "omg f*** this team, they lost in the playoffs last year so that means they'll lose in the playoffs this year too" people really don't understand how sports work.

I think we all want this team to succeed in both the regular season and playoffs.

A new season, with some new players and more experience, promising goaltending and a weaker Atlantic division, I'm going to enjoy the season and the post-season success when it eventually comes.

Clark gave everything he had to wear that Leaf jersey, the fans loved him for never ever taking a game off, he left it all on the ice.

Wendel Clark will always be loved and respected by fans and his peers.

"But he never won anything in the playoffs ! Choker ! Dubasites only care about regular season success ! Can't get it done when it counts!"

Matthews is 100x the player Clark ever was. I love Wendel Clark but it's crazy seeing how much love he gets for winning absolutely nothing, meanwhile we have the best player in team history, arguably the best 2 players in team history and people are so miserable.

 

[sxvnert]

Dougie actually won a cup and personal hardware though. Played twice the amount of games and I doubt anyone would say that he lacked intensity. He also had 6 deep playoff runs where he was over PPG, Wendel broke 10 points in the playoffs a grand total of 3 times in his entire career.

Clark was fun to watch but you have to win something to be a winner.

Clark played on AHL teams and when surrounded by talent posted solid numbers.

 

[Superstar]

Clark gave everything he had to wear that Leaf jersey, the fans loved him for never ever taking a game off, he left it all on the ice.

Wendel Clark will always be loved and respected by fans and his peers.

But can Clark chew a mouth guard like a man though?

 

[saffronleaf]

Taking the legend out of the equation, I think you have to look at him as an example of what we're missing in this group. An upper tier heart and soul guy who is playing on your top line or second line, scoring dirty goals, clutch goals, making big momentum changing hits, doing the Wayne Simmonds extras, but an integral part of the core.

As far as being a winner, he didn't win. And he wasn't a perfect player. But his teams did go to the final fours twice in back to back seasons. It was a long time ago and doesn't count for much in 2022. But just like how the Burns and Quinn era teams didn't have a Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander core, our team now is missing that Clark, Roberts, Tucker ingredient.

Probably should have kept the likes of Hyman and Kadri

 

[Gabriel426]

Dougie actually won a cup and personal hardware though. Played twice the amount of games and I doubt anyone would say that he lacked intensity. He also had 6 deep playoff runs where he was over PPG, Wendel broke 10 points in the playoffs a grand total of 3 times in his entire career.

Clark was fun to watch but you have to win something to be a winner.

I am talking about during their Lesfs career.
I am not saying Dougie didn’t do much as a Leafs but he was really here for a few seasons while Clark was here for a long time.

 

[Gabriel426]

I'm going to enjoy the ride to the playoffs, we're lucky to witness some of the guys we have on our team. If people are just going to bitch about the playoff series of the past, why even watch regular season games really ? It's an 82 game season, we can discuss the playoffs once we get there. But if the idea is "omg f*** this team, they lost in the playoffs last year so that means they'll lose in the playoffs this year too" people really don't understand how sports work.

I think we all want this team to succeed in both the regular season and playoffs.

A new season, with some new players and more experience, promising goaltending and a weaker Atlantic division, I'm going to enjoy the season and the post-season success when it eventually comes.



"But he never won anything in the playoffs ! Choker ! Dubasites only care about regular season success ! Can't get it done when it counts!"

Matthews is 100x the player Clark ever was. I love Wendel Clark but it's crazy seeing how much love he gets for winning absolutely nothing, meanwhile we have the best player in team history, arguably the best 2 players in team history and people are so miserable.

Nobody is saying Clark is better than AM and MM. Most here are saying we needed someone like Clark in the lineup to compliment guys like AM and MM.

Also Clark might not be as talented as AM and MM but he plays with heart and he was pretty much the lone bright spot during the Dark era. Lastly, we do romanticize guys like Clark and Dougie bc we are remembering the things they done instead of the little things the didn’t do or their bad games(which I am sure they had plenty).
Don’t disrespect Clark and other former Leafs who were never as talented as the current Leafs and yet somehow went further in the playoffs and filled us with great memories. Not saying the current guys can’t do it but as of today, they have not done it yet. Hypothetically if there is no Hockey for the rest of our lives, the memories of Clark and Dougie will always be if only Fraser made that proper call….while the current Leafs will most likely be great regular season team, great talents but just couldn’t past the first round.

 

[Canadian Finn]

god if Marner or Matthews had half the heart Clark did.....

we might actually win a playoff series.

 

[Stephen]

to be honest I think why the players went so hard in negotiations is the bonuses. I've always felt that way, there was no reason for Lou to chince your superstar rookies on their ELC bonuses. While I don't think it's the main reason they all went so hard, but I think it played a factor. Personally, in my opinion giving them the bonuses could have saved them on the AAV on the second contract. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but honestly the leafs brought a lot of the negotiation mess on themselves. It didn't have to go down the way it did, but Dubas let it.

Well I mean he's signing an ELC. so of course he's going to sign it without the bonuses otherwise he's not going to get sided to an NHL contract.

Right or wrong vision, Lou and Babs were probably trying to put them on the Mathew Barzal/Pavel Datsyuk/Henrik Zetterberg development track where you have statistically suppressed, program oriented stars making team friendly money. Deflate the stardom but still harness what makes them special. The early media coverage definitely sided on the superstar making narrative and that gave the young players more clout that you would have otherwise anticipated. Dubas was happy to lock it in since the genie was already out of the bottle and fans wanted the big glamorous numbers. No right or wrong way, they just have to do it.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I am talking about during their Lesfs career.
I am not saying Dougie didn’t do much as a Leafs but he was really here for a few seasons while Clark was here for a long time.

Gilmour put up 63 points between his 92 and 93 playoffs, Clark had 66 playoff points in his entire career.

 

[Stephen]

I'm going to enjoy the ride to the playoffs, we're lucky to witness some of the guys we have on our team. If people are just going to bitch about the playoff series of the past, why even watch regular season games really ? It's an 82 game season, we can discuss the playoffs once we get there. But if the idea is "omg f*** this team, they lost in the playoffs last year so that means they'll lose in the playoffs this year too" people really don't understand how sports work.

I think we all want this team to succeed in both the regular season and playoffs.

A new season, with some new players and more experience, promising goaltending and a weaker Atlantic division, I'm going to enjoy the season and the post-season success when it eventually comes.

"But he never won anything in the playoffs ! Choker ! Dubasites only care about regular season success ! Can't get it done when it counts!"

Matthews is 100x the player Clark ever was. I love Wendel Clark but it's crazy seeing how much love he gets for winning absolutely nothing, meanwhile we have the best player in team history, arguably the best 2 players in team history and people are so miserable.

I don't think you need to support the current core by tearing down Wendel. Think the idea here is this group could use some of the characteristics of the old school Leafs to support the elite skill. In the Burns and Quinn eras we didn't have enough elite skill but had grit, work ethic, more defensive structure and elite goaltending. Now we have the elite skill but are lacking in some of the other things.

Ideally you put the whole puzzle together with the elite skill at the top with a mean and heavy support cast that can clear the tracks and get some great goaltending.

 

[Gabriel426]

Gilmour put up 63 points between his 92 and 93 playoffs, Clark had 66 playoff points in his entire career.

I am not saying Dougie is not a great Leafs, he was our Capt and almost won MVP of the league if not for Super Mario.
My point is always that Clark served as a Leafs much longer than Dougie and Clark was here during the Dark Ages. Dougie came in as a winner and most probably the most successful trade in Leafs History, Dougie as a Leafs was like a Harley Comet flying through the night sky while Clark being a Leafs was like the Northern Star, he was always there when you need him.

 

[yubbers]

What did this man win again?

It's called a playoff-round victory. Very rare around these parts. Google it! They look like fun

 

[Dreakmur]

It's called a playoff-round victory. Very rare around these parts. Google it! They look like fun

I think he won like 8 rounds.

 

[yubbers]

I'm going to enjoy the ride to the playoffs, we're lucky to witness some of the guys we have on our team. If people are just going to bitch about the playoff series of the past, why even watch regular season games really ? It's an 82 game season, we can discuss the playoffs once we get there. But if the idea is "omg f*** this team, they lost in the playoffs last year so that means they'll lose in the playoffs this year too" people really don't understand how sports work.

I think we all want this team to succeed in both the regular season and playoffs.

A new season, with some new players and more experience, promising goaltending and a weaker Atlantic division, I'm going to enjoy the season and the post-season success when it eventually comes.



"But he never won anything in the playoffs ! Choker ! Dubasites only care about regular season success ! Can't get it done when it counts!"

Matthews is 100x the player Clark ever was. I love Wendel Clark but it's crazy seeing how much love he gets for winning absolutely nothing, meanwhile we have the best player in team history, arguably the best 2 players in team history and people are so miserable.

We're miserable because HE'S BEING PISSED AWAY.

Because we decided that bring your kid to work day was a way to hire a GM.

 

[Dekes For Days]

So many people with nostalgia goggles on for these old players. I guess 30 years makes you forget all the bad games.

 

[Cleetus]

But can Clark chew a mouth guard like a man though?

Clark would eat it swallow it and go win a fight

 

[egd27]

They don’t really have that hate to lose, snap mentality. They always want to dial it back to a fun loving, relaxed and positive state which isn’t always what competition and competitive edge is about.

From Sportsnet after last night's game......

The Maple Leafs have a day off Tuesday in Las Vegas and will practice here Wednesday before flying to San Jose for the California leg of their road trip.

"It's gonna be great. It's gonna be a nice time for everyone kinda get together have some fun here and just relax. Enjoy the sun, enjoy the heat," Marner said.

There's that hate to lose attitude we're all looking for

 

[Dreakmur]

So many people with nostalgia goggles on for these old players. I guess 30 years makes you forget all the bad games.

But you should have seen their %XGF !