TSN: Marner on tsn: "We are grown men".

[Gary Nylund]

Hehe

It is really weird this year already.. a very carefree whatever approach.. probably thinkingnhe is growing up and has figured it out.

I bet you he believes the old doesnt matter what i say they will write what i want so i will just say my bit

Interesting theory. Not sure how valid it is but would be great if that's exactly that's going on. If his attitude is they write whatever and I don't care, that's good as his focus needs to be on the ice. Still, no need for him to fan the flames so to speak even if that is what's going on but whatever.

 

[Notsince67]

Not sure whether to laugh or cry (or maybe go shopping) but I do have T-shirts older than almost everyone on the team.

Most of my old vintage stuff like a 40 year old jean jacket and other cool stuff has been stolen long ago by my daughters. My stuff is all new but they sure don't make clothing the way they used too. I had tee shirts about 4 times thicker that the stuff they sell now. I would most certainly pay a lot for more durable textiles.

 

[francis246]

Uhhh LA is ruthless vs the Lakers. Look at Russell Westbrook.

That's one player, the team itself people aren't really criticizing. Westbrook has also alienated himself from the organization, like not be active in team huddles and he has played terrible. He's not even a top 30 player anymore. Every criticism he deserves. With a market with Toronto SOME not all, IMO of the criticism (and I understand people feel differently) is fair. These guys are still elite players putting up 80, 90 and 100 points respectively. But I get the playoff disappointment.

 

[Gaberd2608]

I always liked Marner but the more I hear him speak he comes off as spoiled and entitled.

But I don’t need to like him personally, just want him to stfu and play hard.

I agree. As much as I want to and try, I cannot get over the contract situation with Matthews, Marner, and Nylander. It just left such a bad taste in my mouth. I think Nylander is the most palatable because it is the least expensive. For Matthews and Marner, to sign at that price and term with all the extra baggage around things it really made me dislike them.

Rielly on the other hand was very low key about things and got himself a nice deal without crippling the team. I feel like Matthews/Marner especially fought for the money and then turnaround a bitch about how they have no one to play with because we cannot afford depth.

For the price they are both making, they should be able to turn ordinary players into studs. Crosby can play with scrubs and turn them into 60+ point players. He doesn't neet to play with Malkin to make it happen. If they shifted Nylander to 3C for example and put Marne with Tavares, Matthews would have a melt down if he had to play with Bunting and Kerfoot.

 

[Stephen]

I expect that we'll respond with one of the good performances that we normally have, or better, instead of an extremely, extremely rare performance like last night again.

That would fit into their pattern of bad games and redemption games. That’s nothing new.

 

[andora]

Interesting theory. Not sure how valid it is but would be great if that's exactly that's going on. If his attitude is they write whatever and I don't care, that's good as his focus needs to be on the ice. Still, no need for him to fan the flames so to speak even if that is what's going on but whatever.

Or it is sinple frustration and not thinking hehe

 

[Dekes For Days]

That would fit into their pattern of bad games and redemption games. That’s nothing new.

All teams have bad games, and all teams have "redemption games" afterward. That's nothing new.

 

[Stephen]

I always liked Marner but the more I hear him speak he comes off as spoiled and entitled.

But I don’t need to like him personally, just want him to stfu and play hard.

I can accept him as one character in the room but he shouldn’t be a defining voice of the room if that makes sense. Like Phil took a backseat on the Pens cup runs. As should Marner on a mature, consistent, hard working Leafs team. He can be himself but everyone else shouldn’t follow his lead.

 

[Cournoyer12]

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When they were men.........

We need more Saskatchewan farm boys on our roster.

Warrior!!!!!!

 

[ULF_55]

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We really didn't though. I get people being disappointed about not living up to our potential, but that mixed with a lot of early season rust leading to struggles with finish and execution of plays/passes and at times disjointed-looking play has resulted in a lot of wild exaggerations about how we played overall relative to the other teams in those games.

Should we have done better against those teams, especially considering the quality of opponent? Yeah. But we still should have won most if not all of them. This game, we just straight up sucked, in a way we haven't in a while. That was the worst 5v5 defensive performance for this team in almost 4 years.

Yes, unacceptable means not acceptable. So how will this team respond by not accepting this kind of effort level?

Yesterday wasn’t a once in 4 year occurrence either.

I don't think they have the characters to drive the team.

It might be the free passes some get because they're so much more talented.

McDavid and Draisaitl were clearly upset with only getting to the 3rd. round.

 

[ULF_55]

Most of my old vintage stuff like a 40 year old jean jacket and other cool stuff has been stolen long ago by my daughters. My stuff is all new but they sure don't make clothing the way they used too. I had tee shirts about 4 times thicker that the stuff they sell now. I would most certainly pay a lot for more durable textiles.

Heck, yeah.

Less time replacing them.

Have to admit, online I can get my size but sure I'd be okay with ever lasting jeans.

 

[Stephen]

I don't think they have the characters to drive the team.

It might be the free passes some get because they're so much more talented.

McDavid and Draisaitl were clearly upset with only getting to the 3rd. round.

They don’t really have that hate to lose, snap mentality. They always want to dial it back to a fun loving, relaxed and positive state which isn’t always what competition and competitive edge is about.

 

[Martin Skoula]

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When they were men.........

We need more Saskatchewan farm boys on our roster.

What did this man win again?

 

[Racer88]

I'm not too worried about the comments, what I don't like is Marner isn't in game shape to start the season once again and it looks like Matthews followed his off season training regiment this year.

In your early to mid 20's you can get away with it to an extent, take 5 to 10 games to get yourself up to speed. That's not going to be the case much longer though..

with the money they are being paid they shouldn’t be taking 5-10 to get up to speed. They owe the team, ownership and the fan base to be ready to hit the ground running first game.

 

[Gabriel426]

i disagree, it's easy for us fan's to make that comment. We have no idea what it's like to be harassed everyday or to have your family receive unnecessary comments. I absolutely despise fans who claim that "athletes who can't handle the media shouldn't be athletes" like what does that even mean? You're on your couch lol. In today's day an age you have no privacy as an athlete and that can weigh on you, these people aren't super human. They have emotions like every other person and if you are shit on constantly every single day for no damn reason that will take a toll on you regardless of your status. Until you've been in their shoes where you're life is completely on display every second of everyday, you really can't say anything.

How about just produce results.
I get that pro athletes or any celebrities get all kinds of stuff throw at them all the time and a lot of them are uncalled for. But that’s the life of being a pro and making the big bucks and all the privileges that come with it. Kind of like what Rodman said in Last Dance, paraphrasing, ‘I can play the game for free, that’s the easy part, the money(salary) is for all the BS surrounding it.’

Take MM for example. I made this comment back when it came and a few of you didn’t like it. When his dad gave an interview about MM didn’t get the bonus and this and that, that’s remind me of Lonzo Ball’s Dad. Parents should not be commenting on stuff like that. Then comes the contract and the love letter interview- which was pathetic, to me it was even worst than the JT love letter to Islanders Fans. MM’s camp really didn’t do MM any good with all those stuff. As they forgot the ONE important thing- produce results.

If the pro athletes produce results- Championship, who cares. The fact that our top guys tend to choke in the 1st round for the past 4 years(after JT came) is the root of all these uncalled for comments. Just shut up and produce in the playoffs. Do you think we give a damn about these past 7 regular season games if the Leafs win the last game in the NHL(Cup Finals)? Do you think any TO medias will criticize these past 7 games after the Leafs hoist the Cup in June, 2023? I doubt even Simmons or Cox would do that. But if it is another 1st round exit, everyone will bring up how incompetent they are since the start of the season.

 

[francis246]

How about just produce results.
I get that pro athletes or any celebrities gets all kinds of stuff throw at them all the time and a lot of them are uncalled for. But that’s the life of being a pro and making the big bucks and all the privileges that come with it. Kind of like what Rodman said in Last Dance, paraphrasing, ‘I can play the game for free, that’s the easy part, the money(salary) is for all the BS surrounding it.’

Take MM for example. I made this comment back when it came and a few of you didn’t like it. When his dad gave an interview about MM didn’t get the bonus and this and that, that’s remind me of Lonzo Ball’s Dad. Parents should not be commenting on stuff like that. Then comes the contract and the love letter interview- which was pathetic, to me it was even worst than the JT love letter to Islanders Fans. MM’s camp really didn’t do MM any good with all those stuff. As they forgot the ONE important thing- produce results.

If the pro athletes produce results- Championship, who cares. The fact that our top guys tend to choke in the 1st round for the past 4 years(after JT came) is the root of all these uncalled for comments. Just shut up and produce in the playoffs. Do you think we give a damn about these past 7 regular season games if the Leafs win the last game in the NHL(Cup Finals)? Do you think any TO medias will criticize these past 7 games after the Leafs hoist the Cup in June, 2023? I doubt even Simmons or Cox would do that. But if it is another 1st round exit, everyone will bring up how incompetent they are since the start of the season.

That’s Marner’s dad speaking, not Marner, so why should that be taken out on him? If you have a kid, you should want the best for him and personally I don’t have a problem with his camp wanting the bonuses. It’s kind of dumb that Lou has that rule, those players earned those bonuses at the time. They played well. Would you be happy if someone was preventing you from getting a multi-million bonus?

I hear you though, all I can say is McKinnon talks about this struggle on Spitting Chicklets. He recently did an interview. He said the best thing about winning the cup was the media will stop now. He specifically named the guys in Toronto and says he feels sorry for them and empathizes with what they are going through because Colorado went through something similar but just in the second round.

But he alluded to what you said, you gotta get pissed off and just win and that all goes away. I hope for our sake these guys get pissed off and win, it would be amazing to see.

How about just produce results.
I get that pro athletes or any celebrities gets all kinds of stuff throw at them all the time and a lot of them are uncalled for. But that’s the life of being a pro and making the big bucks and all the privileges that come with it. Kind of like what Rodman said in Last Dance, paraphrasing, ‘I can play the game for free, that’s the easy part, the money(salary) is for all the BS surrounding it.’

Take MM for example. I made this comment back when it came and a few of you didn’t like it. When his dad gave an interview about MM didn’t get the bonus and this and that, that’s remind me of Lonzo Ball’s Dad. Parents should not be commenting on stuff like that. Then comes the contract and the love letter interview- which was pathetic, to me it was even worst than the JT love letter to Islanders Fans. MM’s camp really didn’t do MM any good with all those stuff. As they forgot the ONE important thing- produce results.

If the pro athletes produce results- Championship, who cares. The fact that our top guys tend to choke in the 1st round for the past 4 years(after JT came) is the root of all these uncalled for comments. Just shut up and produce in the playoffs. Do you think we give a damn about these past 7 regular season games if the Leafs win the last game in the NHL(Cup Finals)? Do you think any TO medias will criticize these past 7 games after the Leafs hoist the Cup in June, 2023? I doubt even Simmons or Cox would do that. But if it is another 1st round exit, everyone will bring up how incompetent they are since the start of the season.

ALSO; Simmons is a piece of shit human, like lowest scum of the earth IMO. he’ll still find a way to criticize the team.

 

[Stephen]

What did this man win again?

We're resorting to cutting down Wendel Clark now?

 

[Martin Skoula]

We're resorting to cutting down Wendel Clark now?

I just don't get why he's the go-to example of how a winner plays. Playing beyond your physical limits doesn't do the team much good if it means you're perpetually injured, otherwise Soshnikov and Grabovski would have statues already

 

[ShaneFalco]

I just don't get why he's the go-to example of how a winner plays. Playing beyond your physical limits doesn't do the team much good if it means you're perpetually injured, otherwise Soshnikov and Grabovski would have statues already

Heart, emotion, fire , would stick up for teammates and go to war. These guys are still developing that killer instinct apparently

 

[Stephen]

I just don't get why he's the go-to example of how a winner plays. Playing beyond your physical limits doesn't do the team much good if it means you're perpetually injured, otherwise Soshnikov and Grabovski would have statues already

Taking the legend out of the equation, I think you have to look at him as an example of what we're missing in this group. An upper tier heart and soul guy who is playing on your top line or second line, scoring dirty goals, clutch goals, making big momentum changing hits, doing the Wayne Simmonds extras, but an integral part of the core.

As far as being a winner, he didn't win. And he wasn't a perfect player. But his teams did go to the final fours twice in back to back seasons. It was a long time ago and doesn't count for much in 2022. But just like how the Burns and Quinn era teams didn't have a Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander core, our team now is missing that Clark, Roberts, Tucker ingredient.

 

[LeafSteel]

We're resorting to cutting down Wendel Clark now?

Look at the poster.

I expect no less from this true blue Leaf fan…..

 

[Clark4Ever]

What did this man win again?

Respect from his peers and the fan base for leaving everything he had on the ice for this team.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Taking the legend out of the equation, I think you have to look at him as an example of what we're missing in this group. An upper tier heart and soul guy who is playing on your top line or second line, scoring dirty goals, clutch goals, making big momentum changing hits, doing the Wayne Simmonds extras, but an integral part of the core.

As far as being a winner, he didn't win. And he wasn't a perfect player. But his teams did go to the final fours twice in back to back seasons. It was a long time ago and doesn't count for much in 2022. But just like how the Burns and Quinn era teams didn't have a Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander core, our team now is missing that Clark, Roberts, Tucker ingredient.

Give me a Roberts or a Wilson in the top-6 any day, but they actually need to be in the lineup to be useful.

Sometimes Fraser/Gretzky happens and it doesn't matter how hard you played that year, you need to bring a level of intensity that you can sustain for a 5+ year cup window.

I get he's a legend and everything but let's be realistic, he had 2, maybe 3 playoff runs that were worth anything over his entire career. If it was any other player in any other city he'd have 1/100th the clout he does now.

Respect from his peers and the fan base for leaving everything he had on the ice for this team.

Oh so we have a long tradition of respect in the handshake line then.

 

[notbias]

Yes, unacceptable means not acceptable. So how will this team respond by not accepting this kind of effort level?

Yesterday wasn’t a once in 4 year occurrence either.

It is not a once in 4 year occurrence for any team in the NHL.

 

[Gabriel426]

That’s Marner’s dad speaking, not Marner, so why should that be taken out on him? If you have a kid, you should want the best for him and personally I don’t have a problem with his camp wanting the bonuses. It’s kind of dumb that Lou has that rule, those players earned those bonuses at the time. They played well. Would you be happy if someone was preventing you from getting a multi-million bonus?

I hear you though, all I can say is McKinnon talks about this struggle on Spitting Chicklets. He recently did an interview. He said the best thing about winning the cup was the media will stop now. He specifically named the guys in Toronto and says he feels sorry for them and empathizes with what they are going through because Colorado went through something similar but just in the second round.

But he alluded to what you said, you gotta get pissed off and just win and that all goes away. I hope for our sake these guys get pissed off and win, it would be amazing to see.



ALSO; Simmons is a piece of shit human, like lowest scum of the earth IMO. he’ll still find a way to criticize the team.

Marner’s Dad is representing Marner, whether he likes it or not. Put it this way, if MM’s dad is not his dad and just an average Joe off the street, would he even get a chance for an interview to speak about MM and his contract? I am not even going to go into whether or not Marner’s camp(MM, his dad, his agent…) planned that interview and would just treat it as an interview where Marner’s dad got bait into answering those questions about those bonuses. MM’s camp should have known better.
As for MM’s contract. Pretty sure they signed the contract knowing full well the bonuses are not included. Thus, what’s right do they have to complain? I deal with contracts signings(real estate deals) all the time, I just can’t see how one side can complain about stuff that clearly not stated in the contract. If the bonuses were that important, MM’s agent should have negotiated it into that contract from the beginning instead of letting it go and then complain about it later.

Also TO medias is not easy but it is not a few tiers and levels higher than markets like NY, LA or even Buffalo when the teams got the talents to be a contender and possibly Champions. Players on contending teams deal with medias all the time with expectations, and honestly if players can’t deal with that, it is probably better off to play in non-contenders. Just look at Johnny Hockey, when he signed with BJs, not once had he mentioned the team is on the raise and they are challenging for the Cup. He pretty much just said great to be here, love the city…