TSN: Marner on tsn: "We are grown men".
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Well the coach of the maple leafs disagrees with you himself...i recall the very scenes where Keefe questioned leaf players ability to score playoff style goals.....but here's a good summary I found.
With the team experiencing a dip in regular-season performance, a leadership meeting is called that includes Sheldon Keefe, Jake Muzzin, Mitch Marner, Joe Thornton, Morgan Rielly, and John Tavares. There was the familiar concern expressed by Keefe again: “Are we doing enough to score when it’s really hard to score? It’s really what playoff hockey is.”
Again, Keefe is clearly worried — from early on and all throughout the regular season —about how much the team can really score when the going gets tough. The fact that the Leafs were the worst team in the NHL at scoring off of rebounds is mentioned in the meeting. Keefe was constantly hounding on his team to be challenging the net/goalie and getting on the inside more often.
Machinae
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Marleau and Thornton poisoned this team and taught the youngsters to chase the money
I know we're in the thread for twisting nothing comments, but nothing you posted suggests that Keefe disagrees with me or agrees with you. You seem to think a coach pushing his team to pretty normal objectives means whatever you want it to mean.
The Hanging Jowl
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It's no guarantee they will make the playoffs. They have to put the work in to get there, nothing is gifted in this league. This is no commentary about Marner or Matthews BTW, I think they're fine. I just find it a little disturbing everyone just assumes they will make the playoffs in a conference with some pretty good teams they have to be in front of. I'm also worried that the team also just assumes they're in based on the lackadaisical start to the season.
robertmac43
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saffronleaf
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My exact comment you quoted:
The thing about the Maple Leafs, is there style of play is great for stat padding and entertainment. However, they struggle when teams tighten up and play playoff style hockey.
Your response to my comment:
There's nothing about the Leaf's "style of play" that is "great for stat padding" and bad for whatever you think "playoff style hockey" is.
Me responding to your comment with evidence to back up the statement I made where Keefe feels a similar way:
Again, Keefe is clearly worried — from early on and all throughout the regular season —about how much the team can really score when the going gets tough. The fact that the Leafs were the worst team in the NHL at scoring off of rebounds is mentioned in the meeting. Keefe was constantly hounding on his team to be challenging the net/goalie and getting on the inside more often.
your response:
Ok...pushing normal objectives? So your saying every team was the worst at scoring rebound goals? There is only one dead last....but this is your typical response when someone proves you wrong so it's not a surprise. You have established that reputation around here.
Pushing your team to improve is a normal objective. Pushing your team to score in more diversified ways and challenge the net/goalie and practice overcoming difficult situations is a normal objective. Just because Keefe wants to address something in practice, it doesn't mean we suck, and there's a big difference between what Keefe is saying and doing, and your suggestion that our style of play is just for stat padding and sucks in the playoffs - which is not true.
We also weren't even close to the worst team at scoring rebound goals. We were 9th in the league in rebound goals last year.
Canadian Finn
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some of us watch the games instead of staring at stats.
lots wrong right now.
maybe they'll turn it around.
lots wrong right now.
maybe they'll turn it around.
Canadian Finn
Oskee Wee Wee
probably because history tells us they aren't a team of winners.
maybe that'll change.
in the last 3 years, 30 teams are teams full of losers to varying degrees.
maybe that'll change.
Canadian Finn
Oskee Wee Wee
any examples of any of those 30 teams getting bounced from the first round as often and continuous as us?
I'm guessing the "varying degrees" puts us ... well, I think you know.
lots of examples of teams missing the playoffs all three years, unless that is somehow better.
But the Penguins lost in the first round 4 years in a row. What a bunch of losers, will never win anything, their leadership is terrible.
Any more questions?
Canadian Finn
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but any examples of a team getting bounced out of the first round as often and continuous as us? we can do four first rounds exits with our eyes closed. That's childs play for this team.
before you worry about more questions, how about you focus on the first one?
Machinae
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The two biggest coasters in the league playing in sunny california and collecting their cheques putting in great regular season performances and disappearing in the playoffs so they get more time to party in the summer.. Trust me Mitch and Auston learned from the best.
Apotheosis
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How are you using the Penguins as an example? They're a team that went from drafting first in 2005 to winning a cup within 4 years. The Leafs in the same time span of drafting first (in their timeline) were first round exits convincingly all 4 years and continue to push so on the same trend. This same excusing type response from fans like you is the same reason why the team can get away with being so bad in the playoffs year after year with no results yet continue to have support; delusion. Nothing this team has done in the playoffs suggest they have any hope of winning or pushing past a certain point and the holes in the roster and their early season woes are indicative of all the same.
100% agree. Didn’t the Pens actually lost in the Finals before winning it the next year. Last time I checked, you will need to win 3 rounds to reach the Finals and that’s winning 12 playoffs games in one year. Leafs won a total of 11 playoffs games over the past four years.
Apotheosis
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Yeah, exactly. They went to the finals the year before winning and won more rounds in their first run to the cup as a core than the Leafs have in over a decade lmao
Gilmour1996
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Tampa won 0 games the year before winning, it is almost like everyone's path to the cup is different and past seasons don't dictate future ones, otherwise no one would be worried about how we are playing right now.
ShaneFalco
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if it was phrased as "win a round" lots of teams have terrible streaks, too bad it is phrased as "out in the first round" so it specifically applies to the Leafs
